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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 5, 2008 22:16:15 GMT -5
Wright's shot was better then during last summer. His shot selectio was better too although early in the game it looked as if he was going to be jacking up long bombs non-stop. He finished better when he got to the hole and wasn't slowed down by any press by the defense. On the fast break he was splendid in delivering the pass. The one disappointment though was that in the halfcourt he didn't do much of the drive and draw that the team will need. He has to penetrate that defense and find the open man. I'll have a more extensive breakdown on the players and the proceedings later. I will say that with guys like Skinn and Will Thomas this M&A squad would have beaten the last two Tombs teams IMO. But this current squad, particularly that starting five, were just too much for Myers and Alterman in the end. Thanks for your comments MCI. Looking forward to your more extensive recap. M&A does sound pretty good... more experienced than our guys.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 5, 2008 22:19:04 GMT -5
Anyway, I was very happy with what I saw today. If I had to predict a starting five, I would go: 5: Monroe 4: Summers 3: Freeman 2: Sapp 1: Wright MCIGuy and GigaFan will be very happy to hear that!
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 5, 2008 22:20:47 GMT -5
Anybody know how the teams are selected? Does the (GU) coaching staff have input on the teams, and if so, do the lineups reflect groups they want to play together? HoyaLNU, are you by any chance a Georgetown Freshman?
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Jul 6, 2008 0:45:07 GMT -5
An off-court highlight was when Chris Wright's dad got into an argument with one of the officials after a goaltending non-call. The ref took exception to the comment and began a back and forth with Mr. Wright that lasted a couple minutes while the ref ignored the floor! Yeah with that guy though I'm glad he wasn't paying attention. Love the combination of "hustle" that makes Tim Higgins look like freakin' Bruce Jenner, and a Ted Valentine-like eye for calls 35 feet and two officials away that he shouldn't make. But I will give him this--he's great with the crowd. ;D That ref can barely walk, yet has been doing Kenner games as long as I can remember (which is now 5 years). I don't think the standards are very high.
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Post by ihoya on Jul 6, 2008 7:30:03 GMT -5
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Post by sleepy on Jul 6, 2008 7:50:11 GMT -5
Ouch, tough review on Monroe. Considering the comments, I'm surprised he even got a D+.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 6, 2008 7:55:29 GMT -5
He's grading Monore on a different scale. He comments that anyone who is expecting Mike Beasley is going to be disappointed -- I think everyone is clear on that.
I think he's also projecting. FLHoya has him down for seven boards -- that's not spectacular but it isn't not getting any boards. He also scored more than Sims and Clark.
Something tells me if he hadn't been rated so high the poster likely would have given him something near Sims' grade.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 6, 2008 8:07:29 GMT -5
I dunno. You think maybe the very first game of Kenner League, he just arrived at college for the very first time in his life that day... they even had to hold the start of the game for him due to his flight? Walks right onto the court to start to play -- with unfamiliar teammates -- against pretty decent, experienced college competition, and he manages to put up (according to FL Hoya): Greg Monroe: 12 points, 5-11 2pt, 0-1 3pt. 2-4 FT, 7RB, 2A, 1STL, 1BL, 2FAnd you grade that out at D- ?? Maybe, to be fair and conservative, we should wait for one more Kenner game before we write off the season.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 6, 2008 8:14:13 GMT -5
Its a ridiculous bit of commentary by some clueless Hoya fan. Was he even watching the same game?
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Post by mapei on Jul 6, 2008 8:25:34 GMT -5
I feel like an idiot for not knowing, since everyone else seems to, but I'll ask anyway: who are Tony Skinn and Will Thomas? I saw them play for M&A but don't know their stories.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jul 6, 2008 8:28:24 GMT -5
Considering the Mason board also talked about him blocking, playing D, and rebounding I'd say this guy was looking for something.
Expect it all year. Monroe will go for a "quiet" 12 and 6 with 2 blocks and people will say "He wasn't as good as advertised." I don't think this wil be solved by him being productive even during the season. People love chuck-tastic players on mediocre teams more than team players on good teams (Note: UNC, Duke, excluded).
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 6, 2008 8:40:55 GMT -5
I feel like an idiot for not knowing, since everyone else seems to, but I'll ask anyway: who are Tony Skinn and Will Thomas? I saw them play for M&A but don't know their stories. George Mason players who led the team to the Final Four and are also Kenner League legends. Tony Skinn graduated in 2007 and Thomas grdauated in 2008.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 6, 2008 8:40:59 GMT -5
He lost me with the quote "The Hoyas are going to have a totally different look this year. They'll be guard-heavy." Georgetown has three guards.
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Post by Eurostar on Jul 6, 2008 8:47:03 GMT -5
Monroe looked good in the 1st half and in flashed in the 2nd half. Looks like he and Sims need to spend time in the gym - Sims on conditioning and strength and Monroe on conditioning. Unfortunately, I feel like there will be a number of games this year where Monroe "disappears" like Jeff and Roy have been accused of doing in there careers at Gtown. I hope he proves me wrong. The good thing is that I think he and Sims are only a few tweaks away from being solid players in the Big East. They both need to fight for boards more, but my sample size is one summer league game so that doesnt really say anything. Sapp and Clark are great rebounders for guards so we should have some help.
Overall after seeing Vaughn, Sims and Clark play for the first time I am wayyyy more confident about next year and replacing Macklin and Rivers.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 6, 2008 9:26:17 GMT -5
I don't think the guy is a complete ass. He was overly harsh in his first post but qualified it later and many of the comments he mentioned are things I've noticed about Monroe other times. But, his expectations were obviously out of whack and the D- going up against Will Thomas and others is a bit out of whack (Will Thomas has been for four years one of college hoop's bets one on one post defenders).
He also has the typical outlook of seeing what players can't do rather than what they can. These guys have months and at least one solid month of JTIII's coaching before they even play a game, let alone the Big East season.
When he says guard heavy, a) I think he's including Austin and b) I think he's talking production (and probably points) and focus of the offense. Of course, DaJuan didn't play so he probably forgot about him but Wright, Freeman and Sapp will account for more of the offense than Monroe and Sims.
Eurostar: I'm sure Monroe will disappear in some games. Few players don't, and especially freshmen. Even ones who haven't previously shown the proclivity.
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Post by The Stig on Jul 6, 2008 9:27:30 GMT -5
If I saw Monroe play like that at the end of his senior season, then I'd also give him a D+. But this is the first game of Kenner League. He's got a lot to work on (as do all of our other guys), but he's got a lot of time to work on it. Is he the second coming of Beasley or Melo? No. But that sort of player would never fit in our system anyways. Monroe looks to be a perfect fit for the JTIII offense.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 6, 2008 9:29:30 GMT -5
The biggest disappointment of the day came early as I watched the players from Clyde’s and DC Jammers gather around as the first game wound down to a close (the Clyde’s team once again dressed in those awful Fanta purple uniforms). I couldn’t spot DaJuan Summers. Summers was one of the four guys I was most invested in paying close attention to today (the others being Chris, Greg and Nikita). I was hoping that DaJuan would make a last second appearance but it was not to be.
I kept an eye out on Freeman and saw that he looked okay coming out for the warmup drills. III try to brush off any concerns about Freeman’s weights when he had that interview with either Rivals or Scout about a week ago. But the fandom on HoyaTalk would have none of it and kept expressing all sorts of concerns concerning and all sorts of jokes about Austin’s weight without having seen him first. When I saw Free throwing down vicious dunks during the “layup” drill, I couldn’t help but wonder to myself if he was making a statement to Hoya fans that he was indeed in shape. I then focused some attention on Vaughn and noticed he had a build somewhat similar to Chris Braswell. Overall both are in shape but they also have much room for further strength and conditioning. At first I didn’t notice DeMarr Johnson but the headband gave him away. Johnson started off the game emphatically, grabbing the jumpball tip and taking it all the way to the hoop for a dunk. Freeman started off strong as well hitting his first two shots (a jumper and a close-in basket). But he cooled off for much of the remaining of the first half. His outside shot stopped falling, he missed one or two close baskets and his one post up attempt did not roll in. He also had two or three turnovers mostly by trying to push the ball ahead to create fastbreak opportunities. The worst was when he zoomed ahead despite three defenders being right in front of him. Austin tried a behind-the-back maneuver that got him past one guy but not the other two who were only a couple feet away. But its important to point out that Free was in the paint grabbing boards and initiating (or trying to initiate) the break. And despite those turnovers he still was able to dish out an assist or two that first half as well. But without Summers and despite the presence of Johnson, the fortunes of Clyde’s this game depended heavily on the play of Austin and when he couldn’t score the team had difficulty scoring as well.
Vaughn looked pretty good too early on, especially on a slam putback of a Freeman dunk. He got up an down the court well, he grabbed some tough boards, he made himself a defensive presence. Still I was not wowed by Vaughn like others on this board were. He was solid. Nothing more. His post moves are going to need work because he missed a bunch of post-up baskets the rest of the way. He also took at least two three-point shots and missed them all. Heard he can hit those though.
Meanwhile Austin got back on track in the second half. He scored 11 or 12 of his 17 points after the break. After missing his first couple of shots he went on a run in which they started falling. The most impressive part of his play were his repeated drives to the basket for layins (including off the glass). He demonstrated speed, handle and agility in these sequences. Surprisingly he didn’t have to display much power because he either maneuvered around the bigs or they parted a bit when he came approaching. Once he started finishing his drives again his outside shot started to fall more too. However regardless of how his shot was doing Freeman was consistent in running the floor and making plays. He had a few assists the most gorgeous was one in which he dribbled fast and strong to the basket and then dropped off a no-look pass to a trailer behind him who threw down a vicious dunk to complete the process. Regarding questions concerning his handling of the rock Freeman did bring the ball past halfcourt several times and he displayed the ability to drive to the hole. However there wasn’t much pressing by the opponents to determine if the fears that some have concerning his dribbling abilities could be put to rest (for the record I am not one of those individuals who is worried). The vast majority of the ball handling duties for Clyde’s falls to a jet named Vernon Hamilton. He’s pretty good. Can’t wait to see what happens when he and Chris Wright go at it.
Should point out that after taking a 4-3 lead Clyde’s would fall behind and not regain the lead until the halfway mark of the second half. The DC Jammers would jump to a lead of over a dozen points early in the game and kept about that size of a lead for most of the 1st half, but Clyde’s kept chipping away until the lead was under 10 by the time halftime rolled around. When Clyde’s finally took the lead back it kept it the rest of the way and proceeded to put more distance between it and the Jammers the rest of the way.
Someone earlier mentioned how the talent could be down this summer in the KL, at least based upon first day observation. Of course that may be premature because often times many of the best non-Gtown players may not even show up the first week. Still what threw me off were all these summer teams I never heard of before. Hoop Magic? Heart & Soul? Are you serious? (oh, that last one was actually a question from me not a name of a team….but I would not put it past anyone to NOT use such a name down the road). Don’t recall PG Storm. Is that a new sponsor too? And what the hell is “Blaguards”?
Two more unfamiliar sponsors/teams went at it in the third game—the Bearcats and Beyond Belief. Maybe Bearcats have been used as a name in recent years and I just forgot. But I pretty sure Beyond Belief has to be a first. Unfortunately the two teams played what has to be one of the five worst KL games I have had the misfortune to witness. Lets just say it was beyond belief how awful it really was. It was a bad sign when in the first ten seconds a foul was called for some silly foul. Ad moments after that another foul was called. This was a sign of bad things to come. The game was bogged down by constant whistles and stoppage of play. Interesting thing is that much of the stoppage came about because the ball kept bouncing or rolling off the court and people had to run it down and retrieve it. Funny. Even the basketball wanted no part of that monstrosity. But the real problem as far as I could see was that the players were so awful that they couldn’t stop each other without fouling or couldn’t make a move without taking steps. After awhile when it felt like a half hour had gone by and I looked up to notice that the ever-running clock was still above the 10 minute mark for the first half. It got to a point that I wanted the refs to swallow their whistles and look the other way. Anything to get the game over with.
At halftime the score was 21 to 15, Beyond Belief. We, the suffering audience, would have to bear our way through one more grueling half before we could get to the real show. But disaster was about to strike. In my increasingly enthusiastic state as the game approached its final minutes I didn’t notice until the last 30 seconds that the contest had remained close. Worst of all I came to realize that the score was 37 to 35. And that the team that was down two points (Bearcats) had the ball. And that their coach had called a timeout. ::bleep:: They were going to try to tie this game! As they made their way back to the court I was hoping that they would go for a three pointer at least to win it all but it became clear that they were going the safe route and looking to even the score. And just as my luck would have it they ran the first competent halfcourt play by either team that game and ended up getting a basket with three seconds to go. With Beyond Belief having to go the whole court to get off a shot I knew where this was headed. After a miss by BB the announcer excitedly announced “we have overtime”. And the crowd in the stands groaned. The game had already gone on longer than planned thanks to all those whistles. Now we would have to sit through extra minutes.
Beyond Belief, I think, ended up winning 44 to 42. When the final buzzer sounded it was like Christmas came early.
Players for the Tombs and Myers & Alterman had been sitting/standing around for over ten minutes waiting for this game to an end and then trotted out on the floor once it was done. I thought I was about to be disappointed again because I didn’t see any sign of Mr Monroe. But I would be remised if I did not point out how incredibly loud the unis for M & A were. It hurt my eyes at first to look at them. The color can only be described as glow-in-the-dark yellow. If a blackout ever occurred those uniforms would be the perfect attire. Then the Tombs were all called back to the locker room. When they came back out they had replaced their dark blue uniforms with blood red ones, a color I have never seen the Tombs wear. Still I was a little nervous because I still did not see Monroe. Moments later he came into view with his dark blue uniform on and holding a red uni in his hand. He had to go to the locker room to make a change. During this time I noticed Pat Ewing Jr strolling towards the stands with Tyler Crawford. They slapped hands with folks and then took their seats. Monroe walked out of the locker and folks in the audience started turning their heads and giving him the attention of a rock star. The crowd had really swelled by this time. I can’t recall a first weekend of KL drawing this much attention, this big of a turnout. And unlike in previous summers it wasn’t the result of freshmen to be students who had come by in between breaks during their early initiation process nor were there many George Mason fans in the building either (M&A is the Mason representative). This was basically a crowd of true and veteran Hoya supporters. Once the two teams took the floor for tip-off a burst of applause filled the building, with a few folks even standing up to cheer.
Here are my player observations.
Let me first get take care of where I stand on this whole Nikita thing. I’ve read reports from people I respect who witnessed the same game that Nikita doesn’t seem like he fits or belongs out there with his talented teammates or that he isn’t in their athletic class. Let me say I respectfully disagree. The whole athletic thing is overblown in the first place as many people like myself discussed in that long Hibbert-draft thread. Skill is too undervalued. That being said Nikita is a very good athlete. How can people rave about, say, Julian Vaughn’s ability to run the court and then not notice that Nikita ran the floor possibly better and had his hand up as he stayed ahead of so many fast breaks? What about the ease he showed in dunking the ball during the warmup drills? And he showed good footspeed for a guy his height keeping in front of his man and staying with him on defense. Someone wrote that typical nonsense about his reaching and picking up four fouls in the first half. I didn’t see reaching. His first foul came while guarding Omar Wattad (playing for M & A obviously) and Omar actually moving into Nikita while attempting a dribble drive move. There wasn’t a reach by Nikita during that sequence and frankly the call was a bit bogus. Now his second foul was the result of being beat a bit off the dribble (it wasn’t Omar this time around) and Nikita couldn’t cut him off in time and got called for a blocking foul. But if that indicates that he isn’t athletic enough then should the same be said about Chris, Austin and Greg who also were called for similar fouls when on defense yesterday? Nikita isn’t Brian Kelly or Sead for God’s sake. He is a more fluid athlete than that. But picking up the early quick fouls did take away from some of his aggression and when he picked up a third while mixing it up in the paint (with I believe at least half of the first half still to go) he had to play very cautious. With his shot not falling he decide to do other things such as post up one opponent. He was fouled on the attempt and got all of his first half points on that trip to the free throw line. Later, towards the end of the half, he caught the ball beyond the three point line, but instead of taking perhaps another missed jumpshot he did a pump fake which got his defender off his feet (a move he successfully pulled off three times during the game) and drove for a basket. He was called for an offensive foul, his fourth and that pretty much sealed his fate for how aggressive he could be for the rest of the contest. The positive thing though is that during the second half he played smart and didn’t pick up that fifth foul. Two times he found himself in real trouble as M & A were on the fastbreak and Nikita was the one of the two members of the Tombs directly ahead in the path towards the basket. But he made the wise choice by coming to a stop before the basket, holding up his very long arms for defense and to block the view and then sliding a bit out of the way to avoid contact and giving the opponent freebies at the line. And both times the opponent missed the basket. As I wrote in an earlier post Nikita’s lone basket came late in the second half in which he faked and escaped his defender and then pulled up for a shorter jumper at a difficult angle that I think only Austin and possibly Chris could make for this Hoya team. He didn’t use glass, that ball went straight in and only touched net.
Of course with his shot not falling and those fouls he didn’t have the best of games. But to those who don’t think he is a legitimate contender for good minutes this season let me point out two things. 1)He was placed on the Tombs by the coaches. He wasn’t sent to M & A like Omar where his minutes could have been severely limited to give George Mason players the majority of minutes (as was the case with Omar yesterday). No, he was sent to arguably the main Hoya squad to play in the starting lineup with the rest of the big names. 2)He got a lot of minutes. This wasn’t a Sead situation in which he got a couple of token minutes here and there. Nikita got major run, even in the second half despite being saddled with four fouls. Anyone who is familiar with how things are worked out ahead of time should know that when you are a Hoya getting major minutes with the Tombs the (Hoya) coaching staff is not only expecting you to be a major factor but the Tombs’ coach as well realize you aren’t a liability who will hurt the team’s chances of winning.
Ronny Thompson has been supervising and instructing many of the pickup games at Yates this summer in his brother’s place and has watched advised Nikita when he was out there competing with the Kevin Durants. He had a two minute chat with Nikita after the Tombs game when all of the other players had headed to the locker room. I have no idea what had been said but I’m guessing Ronny, after observing the game, was telling Nikita what he did wrong and what to do next time around. I’m sure he gave him some encouragement as well.
Jason Clark scored the first five points of the game. The first was spectacular as he made a blindingly quick move and EXPLODED by his defender and cut pass others to get an uncontested layup. Now I was a bigger fan of Jeremiah than most but I have to concede that Jeremiah could never do that. It was a move that led to gasps from those watching. His second basket came on the next time down the court when he confidently hit an open three. That was also something that Jeremiah often lacked. After that Clark was relatively quiet the rest of the game. Still I came away thinking he was extremely quick, matching Chris Wright in terms of speed. He runs the floor exceptionally well and his handle is true enough to appear high Division 1 ready. The guy got in there and grabbed some rebounds too. And looked very good out there on defense to boot. He will be a sparkplug for the Hoyas off the bench, a huge plus for the team.
Greg Monroe played well. As FLHoya wrote the posting up part of his game needs work. It’s a little better than what Jeff Green’s was going into his first season with the Hoyas. Still in the first half during one sequence he showed good footwork and scored over his defender. Contrary to one report on a message board from another site, he did run up and down the floor and did so quickly. It was only in the second half did I notice him once or twice not running back on defense. I’m not going to excuse that but I won’t overreact to that either. After all the guy did play virtually the entire game. I thought Greg was aggressive when needed and unselfish too to the benefit of the team. One time he drove down the baseline and fed Sims with a feed for a basket. There was also that great give-and-go play with Clark in which Greg dropped a perfect pass behind his back for Clark for a layup. But I thought that Clark missed the basket. Greg was able to hold his ground and rebound well against the opposing front court players. This is a key point. The guys from M & A are MEN who have gone through all the wars in college basketball and played against some of the very best players the last few years. They have also had plenty of experience playing in the KL against the likes of Green, Hibbert, Ewing, Gist, etc and by now must be very comfortable playing such games in the Kenner League. The fact that Monroe, in his first game, stood toe-to-toe with them bodes well for the near future. I don’t think Vernon or DaJuan their first summer could play as well against such an experienced frontline. Now he did take a three that hit the rim and never looked like it had a chance to go in. This part of his game as long with his posting abilities will be worked on by the coaches obviously. His last bucket came on an uncontested fast break slam that led to cheers from the crowd
Like with FLHoya, Sims made the greatest impression on me. That first basket of his was a sweet three pointer that looked great coming off his fingertips. It took some people by surprise and considering Vaughn’s inability to knock down his three point attempts they were probably weary of another Hoya big men standing beyond the arc in the first place. They were happy with Simms’ results. During a five-minute stretch Simms scored virtually all of his baskets. That three pointer was first. The next I believe was a gorgeous turnaround jumpshot from at least ten feet from the basket. That turnaround shot was the one weapon that I had wished Hibbert would use/develop. Suffice to say I never saw Roy make one like that through I’ve heard he did so a few times I some KL games that I didn’t catch. But something tells me this shot will be one that Sims will keep as a regular weapon in his arsenal. He scored all of his nine points in the first half but he always had an effect on the game. For example that pass he made to Wright in the second half was a thing of beauty. He ran the floor okay, not great. He rebounded well. Most importantly he and Monroe made it tough for M & A to get baskets inside the paint. They blocked and contested shots all game long and that may have been the difference in the game. Compared to what Roy was as a freshman Sims is definitely further ahead. He has to put on weight but he’s definitely a future pro IMO.
Chris Wright got to the basket when he wanted. He got steals at important times. He was the key factor in pushing the ball for fastbreak opportunities and generally made great passes during those moments. Unlike last summer when he drove to the hoop he was able to finish more consistently this time around. He did a very good job defending guys like Skinn, making them work for their points and limiting their easy baskets. He shot the ball very well from the outside too. Maybe the best news is that when the game got tight and the Tombs needed a basket Chris was willing to take the shot, able to create the space to get off the shot and good enough to knock down the shot. I didn’t worry about the outcome of the game because I was so confident in how he was playing. He may be the one ton take clutch shots along with Jesse this upcoming season. My complaint though is that in the halfcourt Chris must drive, draw and dish a whole lot more. I think he may have attempted that once yesterday. It wasn’t as if he was hogging the ball because he would give it up regularly. But the Mason big men got most of their points off of “easy” baskets in which the guards drove into the teeth of the defense, drew the attention of the opponents and then passed the ball to their big men for flushes. Monroe and Sims did not get such opportunities. Chris has the ability to do this the same way Iverson has the ability to do this. So it comes down to the mental approach of how you dissect a defense. Throwing a pass on a fastbreak looks cool and is typically highlight material. But it’s the passes within the halfcourt that will determine how great Chris will be. He has NBA level tools. But what type of NBA player does he want to be? But overall Chris played great.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 6, 2008 9:50:44 GMT -5
Considering the Mason board also talked about him blocking, playing D, and rebounding I'd say this guy was looking for something. Expect it all year. Monroe will go for a "quiet" 12 and 6 with 2 blocks and people will say "He wasn't as good as advertised." I don't think this wil be solved by him being productive even during the season. People love chuck-tastic players on mediocre teams more than team players on good teams (Note: UNC, Duke, excluded). The good news for Greg and Hoya fans is that he is not walking into an Othella Harrington situation in which his play alone mostly determines how good the team will be. O was more aggressive anyway but he was still a freshman who had to be the Hoyas' leading scorer, rebounder and shot blocker. Plus he was playing with a bunch of other guys who weren't all that talented. Monroe had the luxury of playing alongside Summers, Sapp, Wright and Freeman who will all score plenty of points (I believe Sapp will get into two digit scoring territory this season along with Wright and Freeman). If Monroe averaged 12 points this season it will simply be icing on the cake. Plus he'll have, with Vaughn eligible, two to three other big guys to help him with the interior. Othella really only had one on that front (Don Reid) because Daune Spencer was as thin as a toothpick.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Jul 6, 2008 10:28:19 GMT -5
dfw.. georgetown has 5 guards
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Post by Hoya LNU on Jul 6, 2008 10:31:22 GMT -5
Anybody know how the teams are selected? Does the (GU) coaching staff have input on the teams, and if so, do the lineups reflect groups they want to play together? HoyaLNU, are you by any chance a Georgetown Freshman? Dunno, SixSaxa, if it helps get an answer to the question, I'll be anything that works. I read the links to the league that I could find, and although they're full of hsitory, they didn't say. My underlying question was whether or not Kenner team lineups help GU players get to know each other's style of play, or if the Kenner team experience is pretty much a wash given as far as Hoya team building is concerned given the play time they have and will have together. Call it crazy, I thought this board my be the right place for someone who doesn't know (me) to ask someone who, judging from his other posts, does (you). Lord knows there's enough crap in various places all over this board that the question isn't clutter.
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