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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 25, 2008 17:43:54 GMT -5
David Falk, The agent for Roy, was on the JT Show today and here are a few of his comments:
-Claimed that in two years Roy will be viewed as the best center coming out of this draft. This can be just typical agent talk, of course. Agents are supposed to talk up their clients.
-Said that Roy "crushed" DeAndre Jordan and McGee in the workouts. How much of this is agent-talk though I can't say for sure.
-Commented that the Post was wrong in reporting that he told Roy to not work out for the Wizards . He said Roy had another workout today for another team and could not fit the Wizards in. So I'm guessing he is suggesting the Wizards dudn't request a workout early enough for Roy to squeeze them in his schedule. But Falk did say that he didn't think Roy would be around long enough on draft day for the Wizards to pick him anyway.
I'm pretty sure the interview (and Falk may have discussed Ewing and Wallace too) will be up sometime soon on Sports 980's website.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jun 25, 2008 19:46:36 GMT -5
Things are getting interesting right now with both Charlotte and Indiana - two teams whose management has expressed serious interest in Roy -- securing additional first round picks with Charlotte grabbing the 20th spot from the Nuggets and Indiana getting 17th pick from Toronto. Someone posted Bird's comments on Roy and how he is seeking a more polished product - I could see Roy going to Indiana at 17. At the very least, Roy now has a very good chance to go 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 and 23. I agree with you. Charlotte and Indy are both in good position to take Roy. If he lasts that long!
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jun 25, 2008 19:48:38 GMT -5
After that trade, I think Bird takes Roy. I would love it as a pacers fan as he could be a more talented Rik Smits type. Now that we don't need a point, we can go Center and power forward. I am thinking Darrell Arthur & Hibbs. Watch out for the Pacers in two years.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jun 25, 2008 19:59:26 GMT -5
Argh, this Editedes me off to no end. All these people act like the NBA is full of 7-2 gazelles running up and down the floor. Think about it for a second (that's all it takes) and list all of the big men you can think of that you would classify as being able to run the floor. They're either freaks of nature (Oden, Garnett, Tyson Chandler) or they're less than 7-feet tall (Dwight Howard, Amare, Noah). Seriously, here are the only "centers" (as classified by the NBA) to average 20 minutes a game last year: 1 Dwight Howard , ORL - stud 2 Chris Kaman , LAC - stiff 3 Ming Yao , HOU - all-star 4 Al Jefferson , MIN - power forward 5 Tyson Chandler , NOH - athletic 6 Marcus Camby , DEN - athletic but 6'11" 7 Brad Miller , SAC - stiff 8 Andrew Bogut , MIL - stiff 9 Amare Stoudemire , PHX - power forward 10 Samuel Dalembert , PHI - athletic but 6'11" 11 Mehmet Okur , UTA - plays outside the lane 12 Al Horford , ATL - power forward 13 Ben Wallace , CLE-CHI - really only like 6'5" 14 Rasheed Wallace , DET - plays outside the lane 15 Zydrunas Ilgauskas , CLE - Euro Roy 16 Brendan Haywood , WAS 17 Andris Biedrins , GSW - maybe 6'11" with spiky hair 18 Josh Boone , NJN - only 6'10" and he’s from Uconn 19 Kendrick Perkins , BOS - power forward 20 Jeff Foster , IND - a whole 6ppg 21 Erick Dampier , DAL - a whole 3ppg 22 Andrea Bargnani , TOR - plays outside the lane 23 Darko Milicic , MEM - bust 24 Joel Przybilla , POR - 7'11" but only 185 lbs 25 Kurt Thomas , SAS-SEA - power forward 26 Rasho Nesterovic , TOR a whole 0.4 blocks per game 27 Joakim Noah , CHI - hifigator sucks 28 Nazr Mohammed , CHA-DET - only 6'10" 29 Fabricio Oberto , SAS - get a haircut Thanks KC When I looked at that list, Roy's draft position just went up -- at least in my mind. You could take athletic guys like Kwame Brown or Eddie Curry, or you could take a professional like Roy. What you said is true too -- how many centers are involved in the fast break? Watching the NBA Finals and seeing Russell, I was reminded of how often those old Celtic teams would break. But Russell's only participation in the break was the outlet pass. you didn't see Bill running up and down the court. And when you get to the playoffs -- which is all the counts anyway -- teams run less. Can Roy go up against Perkins? Absolutely. All of us have watched Roy develop == physically, maturity, skills, game experience. His progress has been huge and his commitment is total. Many have mentioned, he looks like he's in even better shape than he was at the end of the season. Some NBA GM is going to look like a genius for taking Roy.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jun 25, 2008 20:05:19 GMT -5
we will see gotta feeling roys gona do just fine yup roy roy roy just fine some lucky team is gonna land one fine fella and one heck of a bball player WHO IS REALLY SEVEN FOOT AND WE KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS GO HOYAS GO ROY WE ARE GEORGETOWN YES YES YES EAT THE BANNANA THURS ROY YUP GOOD LUCK PAT TOO AND JON AND EVEN TYLER IN EUROPE ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 25, 2008 20:47:25 GMT -5
Thanks KC When I looked at that list, Roy's draft position just went up -- at least in my mind. You could take athletic guys like Kwame Brown or Eddie Curry, or you could take a professional like Roy. What you said is true too -- how many centers are involved in the fast break? Watching the NBA Finals and seeing Russell, I was reminded of how often those old Celtic teams would break. But Russell's only participation in the break was the outlet pass. you didn't see Bill running up and down the court. And when you get to the playoffs -- which is all the counts anyway -- teams run less. Can Roy go up against Perkins? Absolutely. All of us have watched Roy develop == physically, maturity, skills, game experience. His progress has been huge and his commitment is total. Many have mentioned, he looks like he's in even better shape than he was at the end of the season. Some NBA GM is going to look like a genius for taking Roy. Absolutely. Don't just think about Russell. Think about 36 to 40 yar old Jabbar when he was with those Showtime Lakers. He wasn't running the floor. Hell, at times he wasn't even getting past halfcourt. That didn't stop the Lakers from fast breaking. The same with Sabonis when he was with Portland during the late 1990s and early 2000s. It amazes me when I read all this stuff about athleticism and speed from big guys. Most of those guys can't do anything when the game becomes a halfcourt game (like in the playoffs). Their speed and athleticism become far less important as skill level, basketball IQ and fundamentas take over. Fact is that even with all these PFs masquerading as centers and legit big men who want to face the basket and shoot jumpers dominating the NBA, the game still isn't fast as it used to be when it had true great centers. So wise up, Chad Ford. Utah will have to trade up.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 25, 2008 20:50:31 GMT -5
Things are getting interesting right now with both Charlotte and Indiana - two teams whose management has expressed serious interest in Roy -- securing additional first round picks with Charlotte grabbing the 20th spot from the Nuggets and Indiana getting 17th pick from Toronto. Someone posted Bird's comments on Roy and how he is seeking a more polished product - I could see Roy going to Indiana at 17. At the very least, Roy now has a very good chance to go 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 and 23. Sacramento is a legit option at #12 too.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jun 25, 2008 20:52:50 GMT -5
We all saw Boston put in Posey and House to spread the floor, and it worked.
Can you picture the floor being wide open for Roy in the middle, and some poor schmuck has to try to defend him one on one? As we say in NY, fughedaboutit.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 25, 2008 21:27:11 GMT -5
Also interesting that some of the best basketball minds and/or Hall of Famers like Larry Brown, Larry Bird and Jerry Sloan and his group are high on Roy while message board experts across the www dismiss him. Forgot to include draftexpress link: www.draftexpress.com/article/Word-on-the-Street-Denver-trades-20-pick-to-Charlotte-2946/ Multiple NBA teams informed us that according to their intel, the Denver Nuggets have moved out of this year's first round, trading the #20 pick to Charlotte in exchange for a future first round pick (lottery protected). At 20, Charlotte is expected to take Roy Hibbert, who Larry Brown is reportedly extremely high on.
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Post by jgalt on Jun 25, 2008 23:39:16 GMT -5
seems like the tide is turning on roy, no? its almost like all the scouts and gms played down their like of him to throw others off the scent but now it seems many teams are trading up or getting a second pick to possibly get him
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Post by Hoya69 on Jun 26, 2008 0:38:53 GMT -5
I checked the Dallas Mav's roster Eric Dampier has been in the league 11 years. Roy is bigger, has better hands, is a better passer and has more offensive skills. Roy will have a great NBA career. Although a Mav's fan I would love to see Roy playing for a contender like Utah for the next 12 years.
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Post by prhoya on Jun 26, 2008 0:39:16 GMT -5
It's almost here.
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Post by thornski on Jun 26, 2008 0:47:46 GMT -5
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 26, 2008 7:25:15 GMT -5
Here's the link to the site that gives you the Falk interview. A very good discussion although there isn't any mention of Wallace or Ewing. www.sportstalk980.com/cc-common/podcast/single_podcast.html?podcast=JohnThompson.xmlThat's it, folks. The key to the Indiana pick is probably if Bird and the brass feel Roy can fit O'Brien's sytem. For Sacramento its going to be about whether to go with a point guard or a big man. Regardless I don't think Roy falls below the 20th spot. I still though hopes he ends up with Utah somehow.
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Post by prhoya on Jun 26, 2008 7:30:54 GMT -5
My final guess: #12.
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Post by seaweed on Jun 26, 2008 7:50:59 GMT -5
A Hole Ford still has Roy Roy Roy at 20, but what makes it great is the way he describes the Cs going above him - "the problem is (DeAndre) Jordan doesn't know how to play yet", and then has Indiana taking him. Stupid things like that and how helpful Robin Lopez will be on defense.
Haters, I hate them. It is of course no surprise that PEjr is not in his second round anywhere.
My final take, taking into account that there will be trade activity today: Roy, lottery pick after all. PEjr squeezes into the second round and finds a roll, Wallace to summer league and Crawford to Europe.
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Post by jgalt on Jun 26, 2008 7:54:59 GMT -5
Surprised he put Rose 1, at least he has enough sense to follow the vast majority
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Post by 02hoya on Jun 26, 2008 8:14:31 GMT -5
Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere... news.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/other_nba/view.bg?articleid=1103354&srvc=home&position=rated"In another pre-draft trade, the Charlotte Bobcats acquired the No. 20 pick from the Denver Nuggets. The Bobcats sent the Nuggets a future protected first-round pick, and now have two picks in the first round. Charlotte also holds the ninth overall pick. The move could give Charlotte an option to draft both a big man and a point guard, two areas of need. The Bobcats were impressed with Georgetown center Roy Hibbert when he worked out earlier this month. Hibbert is expected to go late in the first round."
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Post by williambraskyiii on Jun 26, 2008 8:38:57 GMT -5
this whole "expected to go late in the first round" line must have been from a wire report a while ago, because this line appears at the end of nearly every article about Roy. I don't know what the cut-off for mid-first round vs. late-first round is, but for some reason that line really bothers me. Probably because Roy should undoubtedly go late lottery, but teams are too effin' stupid to figure as much.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jun 26, 2008 9:02:35 GMT -5
It seems like there soon could be a race for roy hibbert with teams positioning themselves to try and get him. as a result a team like the kings, indiana, or charlotte may have to take him with the higher of their two picks just to get him. Will utah try to get back into the mix?
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