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Post by moe09 on Jun 23, 2008 15:23:05 GMT -5
Good to hear JTIII defending Roy. If there's anybody out there who is able to do it, it's definitely him. I REALLY can't see Roy going after Robin Lopez, but the green room invites usually aren't based on thin air. Whoever would take him before Roy should be fired. Period.
Definitely don't see the Sonics trying to replace Jeff in any way. One thing Chad Ford may actually be right on is that the Sonics are probably looking for a point in this draft. If they tried to nab Beasley, I can only see Cam's scenario happening, i.e. Durant at the 2, Jeff at the 3, and Beasley at the 4. Of course, pretty much any position besides the 2 and 3 for the Sonics are in need of an upgrade.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jun 23, 2008 17:25:01 GMT -5
Good to hear JTIII defending Roy. If there's anybody out there who is able to do it, it's definitely him. I REALLY can't see Roy going after Robin Lopez, but the green room invites usually aren't based on thin air. Whoever would take him before Roy should be fired. Period. Definitely don't see the Sonics trying to replace Jeff in any way. One thing Chad Ford may actually be right on is that the Sonics are probably looking for a point in this draft. If they tried to nab Beasley, I can only see Cam's scenario happening, i.e. Durant at the 2, Jeff at the 3, and Beasley at the 4. Of course, pretty much any position besides the 2 and 3 for the Sonics are in need of an upgrade. One thing to consider about the Green Room and Robin Lopez. It would have been rather awkward and inconsiderate (and more importantly -- bad TV) to invite Brook Lopez and leave his twin brother home. It's a much better "story" with them both there, and they are a very entertaining pair. Those considerations were the deciding ones, not "Robin is better than Roy". Besides, all this draft stuff is fun... but what really counts is how these kids develop for their teams over the next 2-3-4 years. Draft position doesn't mean all that much.
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Post by Gammo on Jun 23, 2008 17:27:17 GMT -5
My comment on Roy's athleticism is to point out one thing that always stuck me about his quickness in the paint, and specifically the quickness of his hands. How many loose balls did he end up with that were in amongst the crowd in the paint? More than his fair share. His hands are not only reliable but unusually fast for a person of his size. And while some smaller and stout guys may have muddied the record, again, his quickeness against the NBA size players was always comparable.
He is going to do very well NBA. And we can all echo JT's "I told you so!"
Go get 'em Roy!!!!!
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Post by SirSaxa on Jun 23, 2008 17:31:09 GMT -5
Remember, the "I Told you So's" are coming from the same guy who nick named him "The Big Stiff" when he first got to GU!
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 23, 2008 19:56:21 GMT -5
Good to hear JTIII defending Roy. If there's anybody out there who is able to do it, it's definitely him. I REALLY can't see Roy going after Robin Lopez, but the green room invites usually aren't based on thin air. Whoever would take him before Roy should be fired. Period. Sometimes the way the process works out is strange. Robin Lopez hasn't had to workout in a while. He had a workout with Toronoto and possibly another team a week and half ago and then just stopped. Perhaps he had one of those promises from another team or perhaps it was his agent who decided he didn't want him to try out for any more teams once his buzz was reasonably high. We'll see how it tunrs out. I can't even recall Bayless working out for any team though obviously he must have. He has been considered a top five and now top ten lock for a long time even though I have yet to come across one positive report about any of his workouts. And this is coming off all the negative reactions to his measurements in the Orlando pre-camp. Go figure.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 23, 2008 21:26:32 GMT -5
I was just listening to Big John on sportstalk 980 and he was interviewing some no personality guy from realgm.com about the upcoming draft. Basically was saying that he hopes Roy goes #23 to Utah, because the later you go the better team and coach you are going to end up with, and being one of the top picks is just cosmetic. With the second contract you sign in the nba being the most important. He also said (couldn't quote it word for word), basically everyone who is passing on Roy is going to be kicking themselves later and he'd be there to tell them I told you so. :-) GO ROY!!!!!! Oh. I see from the Sports 980 website it was Christopher Reina fom realgm. This is the idiot that RDF and I discussed who appeared to have no clue about Roy. When he wrote that Roy had bad/weak hands I knew immediately he wasn't worth taking seriously.
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Post by prhoya on Jun 23, 2008 21:48:41 GMT -5
Roy will be a better pro than the Lopez twins. I may be wrong, but they are softies. The league and the refs are permitting a lot of grabbing and fouling, and that's not their ideal environment. Time will tell...
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Post by RDF on Jun 23, 2008 23:01:37 GMT -5
I was just listening to Big John on sportstalk 980 and he was interviewing some no personality guy from realgm.com about the upcoming draft. Basically was saying that he hopes Roy goes #23 to Utah, because the later you go the better team and coach you are going to end up with, and being one of the top picks is just cosmetic. With the second contract you sign in the nba being the most important. He also said (couldn't quote it word for word), basically everyone who is passing on Roy is going to be kicking themselves later and he'd be there to tell them I told you so. :-) GO ROY!!!!!! Oh. I see from the Sports 980 website it was Christopher Reina fom realgm. This is the idiot that RDF and I discussed who appeared to have no clue about Roy. When he wrote that Roy had bad/weak hands I knew immediately he wasn't worth taking seriously. Don't forget the "He struggles against guys his size". ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Post by tlphoya on Jun 24, 2008 10:11:57 GMT -5
[/quote]Oh. I see from the Sports 980 website it was Christopher Reina fom realgm. This is the idiot that RDF and I discussed who appeared to have no clue about Roy. When he wrote that Roy had bad/weak hands I knew immediately he wasn't worth taking seriously.[/quote]
yep that was his name - thanks mci. Did I mention how he has ZERO personality?? I mean a real dud on the radio at least.
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Post by kchoya on Jun 24, 2008 10:20:22 GMT -5
Oh. I see from the Sports 980 website it was Christopher Reina fom realgm. This is the idiot that RDF and I discussed who appeared to have no clue about Roy. When he wrote that Roy had bad/weak hands I knew immediately he wasn't worth taking seriously. Don't forget the "He struggles against guys his size". ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) That's always my favorite. All these critics say, "wait till he gets to the NBA and plays against athletic centers who are his own size." 1. Those are the types of players Roy does best against - Oden, Thabeet, Gray, etc. 2. Where are all of these athletic 7-footers in the NBA? Sure, you have some genetic freaks like KG, Amare and Dwight Howard, but how many actual 7-foot post players are out that there that are going to cause Roy problems? For better or for worse, Oden is the first one that comes to mind.
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Post by kchoya on Jun 24, 2008 10:29:19 GMT -5
At least some people have some common sense: insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=Draftnotes-080624Some veteran GMs drafting later in the first round are scratching their heads at our last mock draft -- especially some of the high risers in the draft. "Russell Westbrook is a role player who probably is a sixth man on a good team," one GM said. "How has he risen to a top-10 pick? I'd take Leandro Barbosa over him any day of the week. Westbrook is athletic, fast and plays defense, but a top-10 pick? I don't see it." Here's another GM on Robin Lopez: "Can you name the last time a guy who averaged five rebounds per game in college was suddenly labeled a rebounder in the draft? Robin Lopez is a backup, not a lottery or mid-first-round pick." Said another GM: "Name one international player who has made [it] in our league who's averaged five points per game or less in his home country. Alexis Ajinca is a workout wonder, but there is no precedent for a player with his poor production making it in the league. He's going in the lottery?"
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jun 24, 2008 10:53:53 GMT -5
i honestly have been refreshed by a lot of things i've read being attributed to gm's it seems like in this draft a lot of GMs are reallizing the folly of just drafting on potential and the people who are ready to compete now and have proved they can play are rising on draft boards lately and projects like jordan, mcgee, greene, and randolph.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jun 24, 2008 12:17:35 GMT -5
The word I heard on one of his workouts was he shot the ball incredibly well, still lumbers up the court even though he has gotten into great shape, good passer, great guy, very intelligent, can block shots but no real lift. That sounds about right. Probably a guy for the right team, Sacramento or Utah.
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Post by jgalt on Jun 24, 2008 14:44:24 GMT -5
i honestly have been refreshed by a lot of things i've read being attributed to gm's it seems like in this draft a lot of GMs are reallizing the folly of just drafting on potential and the people who are ready to compete now and have proved they can play are rising on draft boards lately and projects like jordan, mcgee, greene, and randolph. it may be that GMs always thought this way, but we just never knew it. those quotes were so much different than others because the other quotes are from "NBA Scouts" who may think much differently than GMs. Im thinking that GMs need quick payoff on the court (so they dont get fired) so they would like quick impact players. After the top ten, experience will get you that, potential wont. But scouts arent necessarily going to get fired if a team doesnt perform well (im guessing here) and they get the accolades when they find that "diamond in the ruff" and convince a team to go with a guy that only has potential who, in a few years, develops into an all star. Obviously Roy is in the GM mold not the scout's mold.
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Post by Buckets on Jun 24, 2008 15:23:40 GMT -5
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Post by Jack on Jun 24, 2008 15:25:14 GMT -5
From Simmons:
And Ford with the wet blanket (big surprise):
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Post by seaweed on Jun 24, 2008 15:45:37 GMT -5
Just found this clueless drivel on nbadraft.net, which shows Roy as one of the overrated players in the draft - yeah, that is right, overrated. No mention of getting his degree as a reason to return and extremely stupid analysis everywhere else:
"After a great 2006-2007 junior campaign at Georgetown, Hibbert made the decision to return for his senior season to get another shot at a national title and improve his draft stock.
He failed in achieving both, as his individual game failed to improve and Georgetown went out early in the tournament via Stephen Curry.
Hibbert’s inability to advance his game should raise serious concerns regarding his ability to improve on the next level.
To add further concern, he may be the most unathletic prospect in this year’s draft. Hibbert has a very stiff, upright posture and runs the floor sluggishly.
He also has no vertical leap to speak of, and his mechanical post game would make C3PO proud. As the saying goes, you can’t teach size and Hibbert at 7-2 270 certainly has that. But, with very little upside and no athletic ability to speak of, Hibbert is overrated. "
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Post by TBird41 on Jun 24, 2008 15:48:17 GMT -5
I really wish Roy had worked out at the Orlando draft combine so that we actually knew how fast he was. Roy may look slow, but that doesn't necessarily mean he is slow and man would it be nice if he'd beaten Brook "slowest guy in Orlando" Lopez down the court
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Post by jgalt on Jun 24, 2008 16:16:32 GMT -5
I really wish Roy had worked out at the Orlando draft combine so that we actually knew how fast he was. Roy may look slow, but that doesn't necessarily mean he is slow and man would it be nice if he'd beaten Brook "slowest guy in Orlando" Lopez down the court yeah he does have like a 20 foot long gait
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Post by kchoya on Jun 24, 2008 16:24:28 GMT -5
From Simmons: And Ford with the wet blanket (big surprise): Argh, this Editedes me off to no end. All these people act like the NBA is full of 7-2 gazelles running up and down the floor. Think about it for a second (that's all it takes) and list all of the big men you can think of that you would classify as being able to run the floor. They're either freaks of nature (Oden, Garnett, Tyson Chandler) or they're less than 7-feet tall (Dwight Howard, Amare, Noah). Seriously, here are the only "centers" (as classified by the NBA) to average 20 minutes a game last year: 1 Dwight Howard , ORL - stud 2 Chris Kaman , LAC - stiff 3 Ming Yao , HOU - all-star 4 Al Jefferson , MIN - power forward 5 Tyson Chandler , NOH - athletic 6 Marcus Camby , DEN - athletic but 6'11" 7 Brad Miller , SAC - stiff 8 Andrew Bogut , MIL - stiff 9 Amare Stoudemire , PHX - power forward 10 Samuel Dalembert , PHI - athletic but 6'11" 11 Mehmet Okur , UTA - plays outside the lane 12 Al Horford , ATL - power forward 13 Ben Wallace , CLE-CHI - really only like 6'5" 14 Rasheed Wallace , DET - plays outside the lane 15 Zydrunas Ilgauskas , CLE - Euro Roy 16 Brendan Haywood , WAS 17 Andris Biedrins , GSW - maybe 6'11" with spiky hair 18 Josh Boone , NJN - only 6'10" and he’s from Uconn 19 Kendrick Perkins , BOS - power forward 20 Jeff Foster , IND - a whole 6ppg 21 Erick Dampier , DAL - a whole 3ppg 22 Andrea Bargnani , TOR - plays outside the lane 23 Darko Milicic , MEM - bust 24 Joel Przybilla , POR - 7'11" but only 185 lbs 25 Kurt Thomas , SAS-SEA - power forward 26 Rasho Nesterovic , TOR a whole 0.4 blocks per game 27 Joakim Noah , CHI - hifigator sucks 28 Nazr Mohammed , CHA-DET - only 6'10" 29 Fabricio Oberto , SAS - get a haircut
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