hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 18, 2008 19:14:47 GMT -5
Refuse to read Simmons on this. It's guaranteed that the BS level will be way off the charts. I've read a fair amount of his provincial junk. I find it amusing with respect to the Red Sox, particularly when it's anti-Yankee, can tolerate it with respect to the Pats, and have no use for it whatsoever with respect to the Celtics. I've said it before - this sort of blather has absolutely no place on a national site. Take it to the Globe.
I fully expect the Lakers to dedicate themselves to improving their defense next year, and I also expect there to be some tweaking done with the roster, since they will have way too many bodies at the 3 if Odom is moved over there. The Lakers were good enough to win the West this year, including taking out a Spur team that I never expected them to beat. Sure they got wiped out yesterday, but to imply that they don't have the heart or skill to improve further doesn't make sense to me (and I'm not saying that you are doing that, SF, but some columnists in the Times today certainly did). I stand by my prediction (although it wouldn't bother me a lot to see them move Odom).
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Post by MCIGuy on Jun 18, 2008 20:04:41 GMT -5
That was a beat down. It got me thinking one thing...man, the Nuggets are horrible! They made every Laker look like All World.
Congrats to the Cs. Congrats to KG, and Ray and Paul. Congrats to Doc Rivers too. Very happy for him. Not only was Red smiling because of Phil not surpassing his record, but Doc's former coach, Pat Riley, was likely smiling too knowing that his greatest nemesis will have to wait awhile longer before breaking the record.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jun 18, 2008 21:37:21 GMT -5
Top of the World! Kevin Garnett is insane, and probably chokes in close games, but I love him for that post-game interview if nothing else. Yeah, I have a feeling that interview is going to live on YouTube for some time.
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Post by RDF on Jun 18, 2008 23:34:00 GMT -5
I didn't even bother with Simmons column-he's become a total edited-and he used to be funny--but now he always includes himself/his friends as if they have anything to do with who does/doesn't win games. I love how he always has "insight" into something that comes from a friend who has dirt on any "enemy" of his teams.
Everyone knows I hate the Red Sox, I'm indifferent about the Celtics and I like the Pats--but hate Junior Seau and Tedy Bruschi--but I also realize that Bill Simmons wasn't responsible for the Pats losing the Super Bowl--and the pathetic thing is--he thinks he has that power/influence. One thing I will say about Boston fans--why do so many feel that others have to enjoy their excitement? When I pull for a team and they win--I don't tell other fans that they should love my team or go on and on--I save it for my friends/fellow fans--but not in Boston--you have Simmons and others shove it down people's throats and act like they supposed to soak up every moment. I don't understand this? In fact--in the realm of Sports--what Tiger Woods did far surpasses anything about the Celtics-Lakers mediocre NBA Finals. It was hyped to be a "continuance of the rivalry" only one team had 3 guys who were stars and other had 1--where the old days--both teams were loaded.
I'm just glad Tiger's not from Boston--or who knows what Simmons would be like. He used to write about things and while being a Boston fan--he would not bring them up all of the time. Now he will bring up some Boston Pro team no matter what time of year/or event takes place and it's just beyond obnoxious. I find myself thinking that it would be cool if some crazed fan of a team who is playing Simmons team would just beat him so bad he wouldn't remember he's from Boston.
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Jun 19, 2008 8:12:25 GMT -5
Top of the World! Kevin Garnett is insane, and probably chokes in close games, but I love him for that post-game interview if nothing else. Yeah, I have a feeling that interview is going to live on YouTube for some time. Hmmm, maybe it will stay on YouTube for another reason ;D Sorry, I really am happy for Garnett, but if this is true (and it could just be coincidence), it is pretty gosh darn funny. I can just see the marketing execs in the boardroom watching on the flat screen: "Here it comes....! Here it comes.....! He's gonna' say it....... Nooooooooo!!!!"
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moe09
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Post by moe09 on Jun 19, 2008 11:17:21 GMT -5
You're exactly right, RDF. He talks about it as though it's some godlike experience that all of us non-Bostonites need to have experienced to truly find any sort of meaning in life. Give me a break.
And then his re-writing of history with Doc Rivers. He has simply buried Doc Rivers for the past year, or maybe even longer. He even wrote an article THIS FINALS burying Doc Rivers. If I was Doc Rivers there's no way I'd ever forgive the guy. How are you going to bury the coach of the Celtics last year? Did he see their roster? I don't care who the coach is, there's only so much you can do with crappy players. It's a fact. But this year, this series, literally a week ago, he does the same thing, and all of a sudden after they win he's all over his nuts. It makes me want to punch a wall.
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Post by Boz on Jun 19, 2008 11:56:44 GMT -5
If I was Doc Rivers there's no way I'd ever forgive the guy. The only problem with this is that it assumes that Simmons has some level of access. Oh, I have no doubt that, through ESPN, he can get great tickets to any game he wants, and he can talk to actual NBA beat reporters and columnists, but something tells me that Simmons isn't regularly calling coaches and front offices (or, if he is, those calls are not being returned).
Doc Rivers forgiving him is akin to Doc Rivers forgiving any average season ticket holder who might have jeered him in the stands on a couple of occasions. It's not even on is radar.
But I find that Simmons bothers me much less these days, since I simply don't read his columns anymore. He's just this sort of rumor that goes around once in a while.
If he ever does any more of his sports movie reviews, someone let me know. I always thought those were pretty good.
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Post by moe09 on Jun 20, 2008 12:24:46 GMT -5
I only really meant that if I was Doc Rivers, in my head, I would never forgive him, not as though they had a relationship of any sort. Just to clarify. But yeah, you're right, Boz.
[Yeah, I'm pretty sure he does have some sort of radio deal going on.]
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Post by theexorcist on Jun 20, 2008 12:54:54 GMT -5
If I was Doc Rivers there's no way I'd ever forgive the guy. The only problem with this is that it assumes that Simmons has some level of access. Oh, I have no doubt that, through ESPN, he can get great tickets to any game he wants, and he can talk to actual NBA beat reporters and columnists, but something tells me that Simmons isn't regularly calling coaches and front offices (or, if he is, those calls are not being returned).
Doc Rivers forgiving him is akin to Doc Rivers forgiving any average season ticket holder who might have jeered him in the stands on a couple of occasions. It's not even on is radar.
But I find that Simmons bothers me much less these days, since I simply don't read his columns anymore. He's just this sort of rumor that goes around once in a while.
If he ever does any more of his sports movie reviews, someone let me know. I always thought those were pretty good.This is hilarious. Why? Because Simmons was going to interview BARACK OBAMA before ESPN nixed it. Might take a contact or two to do that. A Slate article a while ago said it best - Simmons writes as a fan, with obvious biases. I prefer it when his allegiances are obvious, rather than other columnists who are "officially neutral" but always seem to play favorites. On Rivers - eh, Simmons called him out repeatedly for poor game strategy, but said that Ubuntu pretty much trumped it. And he said that he was wrong. Not "I was misquoted" or "I was trying for a double-secret jinx".
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Jun 20, 2008 13:39:36 GMT -5
Hmmm, I don't really want to get into a Simmons peeing match, but I think you are missing my point.
I think that's great that he was able to line up BHO for an interview. But the Senator does not work for any NBA teams, last time I checked.
I am not disputing that Simmons is a popular, pop culture and sports columnist and that he is even more popular with younger audience. Given that, and the fact that he was virtually assured not to be asked a sinlge difficult question, I am not surprised that Obama would have wanted to participate in the podcast. It's everything he's about (in terms of reaching out to new audiences). I'm also sure that Simmons probaby does know some people on the Obama campaign.
My point was with respect to the NBA. Simmons tries to come off not "as a fan," but as an NBA insider and I very, very seriously doubt whether he has insider access when it comes to the NBA.
If someone knows that the opposite is true and that the Celtics -- or any other team or the league -- are in the habit of speaking with Simmons on a regular (or even irregular) basis, I will happily stand corrected.
But this is now more that I have thought about him in two days than in six months, so I'll stop posting on this particular subject.
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Post by theexorcist on Jun 20, 2008 14:02:57 GMT -5
Boz:
I was actually making two different points. One was replying to you - and I found it funny that there was a question about access to a NBA coach when the potential interviewer had a chance to interview the person leading in the running to be head of the free world and who's as popular as a rock star.
My other point, on Simmons in general, was responding to a few points made earlier in this thread (and on Deadspin), where people don't like him - wasn't responding to you specifically. I'll say that I do disagree with you on the "insider" item - he has met with Stern et al, and seen Jordan play poker, but it always seems to me to have an "outsider" vibe.
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Post by moe09 on Jun 20, 2008 17:19:01 GMT -5
But the problem with him being "openly biased" is the fact that he's not just "openly biased." Instead, his columns have been absorbed by his bias to the point where I can't take it anymore. It's one thing to be an admitted fan, and write as such, it's another to write a column that should be in the Boston Globe, and put it on ESPN.
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Post by FewFAC on Jun 21, 2008 0:03:41 GMT -5
Oh, it's over? On to beisball.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jun 21, 2008 0:35:42 GMT -5
Oh, it's over? On to beisball. Try watching Soccer for a little...its actually a pretty awesome sport and I love watching it. On pretty much every day at 2:30pm EST until June 26 (or so, times may change for the semis or finals). Tomorrow afternoon is Netherlands vs. Russia, should be a pretty good game if the Netherlands play as they have been. ;D I'll let you return to your NBA talk
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Post by FewFAC on Jun 21, 2008 13:14:29 GMT -5
Oh, it's over? On to beisball. Try watching Soccer for a little...its actually a pretty awesome sport and I love watching it. On pretty much every day at 2:30pm EST until June 26 (or so, times may change for the semis or finals). Tomorrow afternoon is Netherlands vs. Russia, should be a pretty good game if the Netherlands play as they have been. ;D I'll let you return to your NBA talk I actually like soccer. I played some growing up and attended World Cup games at RFK. And lots of Ruud. I definitely watch when I have the time...
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Post by moe09 on Jun 21, 2008 14:31:58 GMT -5
Hey, don't forget to catch some Rugby, too. Now back to your regularly scheduled NBA chat. Sorry, MCI.
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