EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Aug 2, 2008 10:55:50 GMT -5
If I were Obama I would pick Hillary for VP because, despite what my gut tells me, she would assure his being elected; at least that's what the polls tell me.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Aug 2, 2008 14:32:47 GMT -5
I have read that Obama has the most liberal voting record of any U.S. Senator. In my book that makes him an ultra left wing candidate but you never hear this term. That's mostly election year hyperbole. I'd put Bernie Sanders (a self-described socialist), Kennedy, Feingold, Boxer, Schumer and maybe Kerry ahead of him. But we'd all agree then that someone whose voting record is to the left of Sanders, Kennedy, Feingold, Boxer, Schumer, and maybe Kerry could be considered an ultra-left wing candidate? nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/You've got to take this with a grain of salt though. His current stances are his real positions. He was just engaging in election year hyperbole for the last couple of years in order to win a primary. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 2, 2008 14:54:50 GMT -5
I was saying those six are/were more liberal than he was.
But to answer the questions posed earlier:
1. If you were Obama, who would you pick? Mark Warner.
2. Who would help Obama the most? Gen. James Jones
3. Who would help Obama the least? John Edwards.
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Post by TBird41 on Aug 2, 2008 22:30:39 GMT -5
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Post by EasyEd on Aug 3, 2008 8:31:41 GMT -5
Score one for Healy who earlier listed him as a darkhorse. |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Aug 3, 2008 12:38:29 GMT -5
No doubt the McCain vetters have put together a good binder on Rep. Cantor's Abramoff ties. I think McCain might go with someone like Cantor if Obama makes a geographical play with Evan Bayh or Tim Kaine. Otherwise, I don't see what Cantor adds to the ticket. He wouldn't do much for McCain's "experience" arguments.
It raises the question of who Obama would vet if he chose to vet House members. Wexler would have to be near the top of the list. He'd fit the "attack dog" role perfectly and give you a bump in Florida.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Aug 3, 2008 14:53:18 GMT -5
No doubt the McCain vetters have put together a good binder on Rep. Cantor's Abramoff ties. I think McCain might go with someone like Cantor if Obama makes a geographical play with Evan Bayh or Tim Kaine. Otherwise, I don't see what Cantor adds to the ticket. He wouldn't do much for McCain's "experience" arguments. It raises the question of who Obama would vet if he chose to vet House members. Wexler would have to be near the top of the list. He'd fit the "attack dog" role perfectly and give you a bump in Florida. Is Cantor actually a good vp pick or just mccain's campaign playing defense by floating a Virginia name of their own? Romney's equity ties could pose a similar problem to cantor's lobbying connections. |
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Post by Boz on Aug 8, 2008 15:09:57 GMT -5
There goes Edwards....... abcnews.go.com/print?id=5441195(OK, he was gone already, but he did make - will make? - the admission). Here is the part I like: "Edwards told ABC News correspondent Bob Woodruff he did have an affair with 44-year old Rielle Hunter, but said that he did not love her." Oh. Well, OK then. Sorry, I'm sure that's out of context, but it just sounds funny in light of the story. Actually, the real meat will be about how he vehemntly denied this three times before he finally admitted it today. That, and a potential paternity test. |
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Post by kchoya on Aug 8, 2008 15:19:20 GMT -5
There goes Edwards....... abcnews.go.com/print?id=5441195(OK, he was gone already, but he did make - will make? - the admission). Here is the part I like: "Edwards told ABC News correspondent Bob Woodruff he did have an affair with 44-year old Rielle Hunter, but said that he did not love her." Oh. Well, OK then. Sorry, I'm sure that's out of context, but it just sounds funny in light of the story. Actually, the real meat will be about how he vehemntly denied this three times before he finally admitted it today. That, and a potential paternity test. The best part is his defense why the kid isn't his: "Edwards said he knew he was not the father based on timing of the baby's birth on February 27, 2008. He said his affair ended too soon for him to have been the father. " You stay classy Mr. Two Americas Bedrooms. ON EDIT: Sorry, after reading further, here's the best part of the story: "Edwards made a point of telling Woodruff that his wife's cancer was in remission when he began the affair with Hunter." Oh, so that makes it OK. |
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Aug 8, 2008 16:06:04 GMT -5
Yeeesh .... bad moves, Edwards. Time to stop thumping the values platform.
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Post by Boz on Aug 8, 2008 18:02:29 GMT -5
You know....something else just occurred to me.
Given that most of this story (with the possible exception of paternity) has turned out to be true, who are any of us to say that there AREN'T bat boys out there. Or that J. Lo isn't a heroin addict. Or that Katie Holmes is not human but a Stepford Wife. Or that Bernie Mac is still alive.
Hmm, actually, except for Bernie Mac which i need to see to believe, I think most of those are pretty plausible (and I think the Bat Boy was a WWN story).
Come to think of it, the Enquirer has reported about Barack Obama and his wife in screaming matches over other women........
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Post by hifigator on Aug 9, 2008 11:07:11 GMT -5
Ambassador wrote:
It raises the question of who Obama would vet if he chose to vet House members. Wexler would have to be near the top of the list. He'd fit the "attack dog" role perfectly and give you a bump in Florida.
I can't really think of a worse ticket that Obama-Wexler ... unless someone like Pelosi or Maxine Waters got the nod. Wexler is a worthless piece of garbage. At least Obama is likable and pretends to have good ideas. Wexler is mean spirited, unlikable and full of incredibly terrible ideas.
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Post by Bando on Aug 9, 2008 18:12:09 GMT -5
You know....something else just occurred to me. Given that most of this story (with the possible exception of paternity) has turned out to be true, who are any of us to say that there AREN'T bat boys out there. Or that J. Lo isn't a heroin addict. Or that Katie Holmes is not human but a Stepford Wife. Or that Bernie Mac is still alive. Hmm, actually, except for Bernie Mac which i need to see to believe, I think most of those are pretty plausible (and I think the Bat Boy was a WWN story). Come to think of it, the Enquirer has reported about Barack Obama and his wife in screaming matches over other women........ ;D This is ridiculous. They get 1 story right and 99 wrong and you give all the weight to the one? Confirmation bias, it's not your friend. The Enquirer gets it's stories two ways: they either pay people or they make stuff up. One decent story does not a reputable publication make. And just as an aside, while it's completely possible (probable even) that Edwards is the father, I don't buy for one minute the hotel visit photos they printed. They print an old photo of Edwards in a blue shirt with a sweat stain, and in the hotel photo he has the same shirt on with the same sweat stain? And to top it off, the hotel photo is blurry to the point of non-recognizableness? I call shenanigans. |
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Post by Boz on Aug 10, 2008 9:26:34 GMT -5
OK, you do realize I was joking, right? Switching to decaf may not be the worst idea in the world.  |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Aug 10, 2008 21:18:46 GMT -5
Ambassador wrote: It raises the question of who Obama would vet if he chose to vet House members. Wexler would have to be near the top of the list. He'd fit the "attack dog" role perfectly and give you a bump in Florida.I can't really think of a worse ticket that Obama-Wexler ... unless someone like Pelosi or Maxine Waters got the nod. Wexler is a worthless piece of garbage. At least Obama is likable and pretends to have good ideas. Wexler is mean spirited, unlikable and full of incredibly terrible ideas. And, in that sense, Wexler differs from Cheney how? Wexler would be absolutely brutal for the Republican to deal with because he is so fierce. |
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Post by hifigator on Aug 11, 2008 13:15:08 GMT -5
Ambassador, Cheney is certainly gruff and difficult to deal with. I think there is a bit of a parallel there. Wexler is all of those things but also full of just incredibly bad ideas.
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Post by Boz on Aug 11, 2008 13:44:48 GMT -5
Tapping someone from the House of Representatives would be galactically stupid for either candidate.
Better off vetting people in Clown College.
Specifically to Wexler, I don't think he delivers Florida and he is not a reliable person for message (sort of the Biden problem). Yes, he is an attack dog, but what else is he besides that?
Plus, right now it's just a Bill O'Reilly thing -- and it'll probably stay that way unless something comes along to bring more attention to it, like a veep nod -- but Sexy Wexy may have a potential (albeit very small) scandal of his own. Nothing big enough to be a campaign killer, juuust enough of a minor little irritation to keep the campaign distracted and off message for a while.
To answer Bando's questions from a page ago that I never saw until just now:
1. Mark Warner or Bill Richardson (probably Richardson)
2. Hillary Clinton
3. Tim Kaine (or anyone from the House)
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Post by hifigator on Aug 11, 2008 13:49:13 GMT -5
I actually don't mind Bill Richardson from what I have heard. He seems to be somewhat of a moderate. He is very popular among hispanics and would help there. I don't want to see him on the ticket. Otherwise I might have to consider Obama and I really don't want to do that.
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Post by Boz on Aug 12, 2008 13:48:21 GMT -5
To continue my crusade against Tim Kaine: "It was a bad crisis for the world. It required tough words but also a smart approach to call on the international community to step in. And I’m very, very happy that the Senator's request for a ceasefire has been complied with by President Medvedev."  Please pick him as your VP, Senator Obama. So we can have more gems like this one for the next couple of months. Pleeeaaassee. |
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Aug 12, 2008 19:05:54 GMT -5
Unless Kaine has a serious gaffe as a VP candidate, he'd be a terrific pick from a political point of view. Obama has put 8-10 states in play that people would have never expected at the start of the year, and a Kaine pick would essentially lock VA in as one of the battlegrounds and one where McCain would have to burn serious resources. Of the ten battlegrounds identified on Pollster.com, all ten are "red states," and, in 4 of them, Obama is ahead and has a base of more than 270 EV's.
McCain almost has to pick someone from one of the "red" battleground states just to narrow Obama's options.
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