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Post by Cambridge on Nov 19, 2007 11:18:47 GMT -5
Well it's clear that the only way Belichick won't be seen as running up the score next week is if he starts Eckel, Evans and Cassell in the Pats-Eagles game.
And KC, what did you want the Pats to do against the Bills? Punt from the 30? Check. Run it up the middle on 4th and 1 with an undrafted running back from Navy? Check. Run it up the middle on 4th and 1 with a full back/4th string running back? Check. The only thing else they could have done was kneel it.
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Post by Cambridge on Nov 19, 2007 11:21:08 GMT -5
Pats run up the score again with Eckel, Evans and Cassel. Oh, and they punted from the Bills 31 yard line. What poor sports. So are you saying that you don't think they were running up the score previously. Or are you picking the one time they weren't Editeds to make some point. Just enjoy the most impressive run/team in NFL history without being so defensive. Who cares if they were cheating or running up scores. I never said they weren't running it up in the past. I just didn't think it was bad sportsmanship to do so in the professional context. I also suggested that going for it on 4th down and short was actually more respectful to the opposing defense than kicking it or punting it as it gave the other side a chance to stop you and didn't patronize you. Oh, and anyone who doesn't think that running up the score is a viable tactic, see the broken spirit of the Bills only four minutes into this game. They were so terrified of getting destroyed, they froze. This tactic doesn't work on all teams, but it certainly scares a lot of them.
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Post by RDF on Nov 19, 2007 13:38:02 GMT -5
Let's end this talk of the media's obsession with running up the score. Notice the media never mentions the rosters in this discussion--as in you have 45 active players--which is really 42--deep snapper and kicker/punter, so out of 42 players active on a gameday--consider some teams carry 3 QB's--which would be 1 more player you are not likely to see--and QB position will have at least 2--so there is someone you can't use--you are down to using 41 players for a game--and can only carry 7-8 OL, so no matter what score is--some starters will be left in game.
It's silly to talk about running up the score--and even moreso in NFL. Just because media tries to drum up a story--and they will keep doing so--until Pats win-where they'd be given false praise as best team ever--which is something that can't be proven on field and is ignorant to talk about; or they'll be given false criticism when they eventually lose. Only thing that matters is if they win Super Bowl or not. I'd rather lose and win Championship then be 18-1 with lone loss in Super Bowl.
Sports are funny--you never are as great as you seem or as bad as you seem--somewhere in between and it's up to the focus--which Belichick and Brady have at a higher rate then others. However--it's only one injury, a couple of turnovers away from making invincible into disappointing.
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Post by hifigator on Nov 19, 2007 14:32:56 GMT -5
I am with you all the way on that one RDF. I am not saying that there aren't some times where a team rubs the opponent's nose in it, but for the most part that is just someone's idea of a storyline.
When you have the game in the bag, about the only thing you can do that isn't running up the score is to run the ball without any misdirection. Yet even if you do that and then punt on 4th, that is patronizing so that's bad too. Yawn, that is just not news-worthy in my mind.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Nov 19, 2007 17:34:12 GMT -5
I agree with HiFi, who agreed with RDF. But its not just the media, Patriots fans love to talk about it (for example, Cambridge's post which I guess was responding to running up charges from weeks ago). Boston fans need to have a chip on their shoulders. Even when they are dominating, whether it be the Sox or the Patiots, they have to create chips.
WAH! Someone called Pedroia a scrub. WAH! We got caught cheating. WAH! people think we are winning by too much. WAH! People call the Patriots evil (meanwhile, the stupidest fan among the Boston ranks has no problem calling another team, OSU evil, as part of his avatar).
Just shut up and enjoy it.
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Post by Cambridge on Nov 19, 2007 17:57:07 GMT -5
I agree with HiFi, who agreed with RDF. But its not just the media, Patriots fans love to talk about it (for example, Cambridge's post which I guess was responding to running up charges from weeks ago). Boston fans need to have a chip on their shoulders. Even when they are dominating, whether it be the Sox or the Patiots, they have to create chips. WAH! Someone called Pedroia a scrub. WAH! We got caught cheating. WAH! people think we are winning by too much. WAH! People call the Patriots evil (meanwhile, the stupidest fan among the Boston ranks has no problem calling another team, OSU evil, as part of his avatar). Just shut up and enjoy it. We can't. It's not in our nature to enjoy anything.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Nov 20, 2007 6:42:16 GMT -5
I agree with HiFi, who agreed with RDF. But its not just the media, Patriots fans love to talk about it (for example, Cambridge's post which I guess was responding to running up charges from weeks ago). Boston fans need to have a chip on their shoulders. Even when they are dominating, whether it be the Sox or the Patiots, they have to create chips. WAH! Someone called Pedroia a scrub. WAH! We got caught cheating. WAH! people think we are winning by too much. WAH! People call the Patriots evil (meanwhile, the stupidest fan among the Boston ranks has no problem calling another team, OSU evil, as part of his avatar). Just shut up and enjoy it. um, i'm not a boston fan in any sport. know your facts before you call someone stupid. sweater vest is the most evil person on the planet.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Nov 20, 2007 9:31:43 GMT -5
[quote author=cambridgehoya board=pro thread=1189115601 post=1195513027 We can't. It's not in our nature to enjoy anything.[/quote]
Fair enough.
And sorry HoyaFanNY for mischaracterizing you as a Boston fan. In your embarassing argument with Borat, based on the weak sauce you served up, I thought you were a Boston fan. My bad.
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Post by hifigator on Nov 20, 2007 13:31:40 GMT -5
[quote author=cambridgehoya board=pro thread=1189115601 post=1195513027 We can't. It's not in our nature to enjoy anything. Fair enough. And sorry HoyaFanNY for mischaracterizing you as a Boston fan. In your embarassing argument with Borat, based on the weak sauce you served up, I thought you were a Boston fan. My bad.[/quote] I think them might be fightin words ....
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 22, 2007 19:46:43 GMT -5
Appalling to have to witness the Cowboys running up the score and embarrassing the poor hapless NY Jets. Has common decency and respect left the NFL? Starter Tony Romo to Starter The Mouth That Roared for a late 4th Quarter TD pass with the game hopelessly out of reach? Villains all. Simply appalling. I need a shower after watching that farce. Happy Thanksgiving indeed.
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Post by vcjack on Nov 22, 2007 21:36:51 GMT -5
Does Bobby Petrino not understand the rules of football? That new "retroactively challenge plays" exception may come in handy...
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Post by The Stig on Nov 29, 2007 21:57:46 GMT -5
We just saw the Green Bay Packers everybody expected to see before the season in the first half vs. Dallas.
The Packers are unbelievably lucky to only be 10 down after that half.
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Post by The Stig on Nov 29, 2007 23:31:59 GMT -5
Cowboys win, but things don't look that bad for the Packers. With three of their best players out (KGB, Woodson, Favre) they still played the best team in the NFC pretty close. The refs didn't help the Packers at all, but the Cowboys did at times (TO's lateral to Al Harris in the end zone).
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Post by vcjack on Nov 30, 2007 0:16:42 GMT -5
THE FUTURE (aka Aaron Rodgers) looked pretty good, except when the 'boys blitzed and then proceded to crap himself
Favre before the injury seemed to revert to old new Favre, the one who never saw a coverage that he wouldn't throw against
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Post by The Stig on Nov 30, 2007 2:09:13 GMT -5
I think Rodgers' performance today made Packers' fans a lot more comfortable with the idea of Brett Favre retiring. I wouldn't blame him for the offensive line's complete inability to stop a blitz, since Favre was faring even worse than he was against blitzes (at least Rodgers took the sack instead of throwing a pick).
If there ends up being a rematch I think the Packers have reason to be confident. With KGB in there you get more pressure on Romo (there was absolutely none today - the Cowboys' offensive line won them the game), and Woodson helps the secondary which got ripped up today. If Favre is healthy and plays like he has been earlier this year I think the Packers are very capable of going down to Dallas again and coming back with a win.
Now they just have to make the game happen.
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Post by RDF on Nov 30, 2007 3:09:23 GMT -5
Too much football to be played before you start talking rematch. Favre just came out and played like he has in his career at Texas Stadium--lousy early--and unfortunately for him--the night ended early. Pressure is great-but on Romo--you are better having him in pocket--and if you bring a lot of pressure from outside--he gets to move around--which is where he's most dangerous. Woodson's absence was felt more then KGB in my opinion--but that doesn't excuse the continuing penalties from Atari Bigby--who seems to make at least 3 a game--or some other boneheaded play. You know NFL is hoping they get a Dallas-GB rematch in NFC Title Game--that way you have a big draw in Super Bowl--not to mention 2 teams I think could give Patriots a game--should they remain healthy and on course to win AFC with little challenge--unless Marvin Harrison returns--I don't see Colts doing it--but if he does--that will be a game again.
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Post by The Stig on Nov 30, 2007 11:33:24 GMT -5
Atari Bigby was worse than awful that game. It seemed like every time there was a blown coverage or a bad penalty it was his name who was being mentioned by the commentators.
By the way, if people thought Mark Tillmon was a bad commentator, they seriously didn't listen to Bryant Gumbel trying to do an NFL game. Talk about a fish out of water. It's okay to not be the most analytical commentator out there, but confusing the teams 4 times in the first 10 minutes is downright unacceptable.
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Post by Boz on Nov 30, 2007 13:16:42 GMT -5
It's okay to not be the most analytical commentator out there, but confusing the teams 4 times in the first 10 minutes is downright unacceptable. Or you could just be Dick Enberg and say, "To hell with the first 10 minutes! I'm going to confuse the teams and the players for the entire broadcast! Oh, my!"
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Post by RDF on Nov 30, 2007 14:44:07 GMT -5
It's okay to not be the most analytical commentator out there, but confusing the teams 4 times in the first 10 minutes is downright unacceptable. Or you could just be Dick Enberg and say, "To hell with the first 10 minutes! I'm going to confuse the teams and the players for the entire broadcast! Oh, my!" Any homoerotic poetry from Enberg? Merlin Olsen carried Enberg during their days at NBC--and kept things not only coherent-but focused on football--and plays, not the rippling muscles and sublime good looks as Dick loves to interject into a broadcast.
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Post by FormerHoya on Nov 30, 2007 15:21:20 GMT -5
Off topic, but the most homoerotic announcing job ever was done by Bill Walton during a 2001 Illinois - Arizona game, it went something along the lines of, "Just look at Sergio McClaine's body. His with his bulging arms and muscular legs, he looks more like a greek god than man out there. [2 mins pass] Look at Sergio McClaine's body!!!"
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