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Post by Jack on Oct 11, 2005 10:16:06 GMT -5
Estimated Borat's Yankees payroll= $250 million.
Sounds about right. Sweet Lou won't be able to complain about ownership not giving him enough budget to compete.
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Oct 11, 2005 11:11:40 GMT -5
believe it or not, thay payroll is about 190 mill... subtract brown, bernie = 30 million add bj ryan = 6 million add decent CF [anyone besides damon] = 8 million. tops Estimated Borat's Yankees payroll= $250 million. Sounds about right. Sweet Lou won't be able to complain about ownership not giving him enough budget to compete.
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Post by Jack on Oct 11, 2005 11:35:36 GMT -5
If you will pay BJ Ryan $6 million to be a set-up man in NY, I would gladly pay him $7 million to be closer in Boston. As for CF, I don't know if you have seen the market, but there is not a whole lot out there, so you are looking at Damon for more like $12 million for 4 years if you want a legit leadoff bat. Otherwise you could trade for another bad contract, like Beltran, or maybe find a way to get Torii Hunter. I had forgotten that Brown's contract comes off the books, so my payroll figure was a bit on the high side.
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 11, 2005 11:51:12 GMT -5
BJ Ryan isn't going to sign to be a set up man when he will make as much if not more to be a closer.
Secondly, if the Yanks don't get Damon, they're going to get stuck w/ somebody likeRian Giles (not bad) or Jacque Jones for a sizable chunk of change. Torii could be had by the Yanks, but it would probably require Cano AND Eric Duncan. Also, Torii's making $10 million next year. I don't think the Yankees would be willing to part w/ Cano and Duncan, since they're trying to hold on to young players now. Then again, who knows if Cashman leaves and somebody else replaces him.
I think that the Yanks rotation is going to continue to give them problems--they're pitchers are all pretty questionable, and there really isn't any free agents out there to shore up the rotation. Johnson and Mussina are on the way down, Wright should never have left Mazzone, Pavano's overrated b/c of one good season in a massive pitcher park. Chacon and Wang need to prove they aren't one hit wonders. I can think of a lot of teams w/ a lot better rotations.
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Oct 11, 2005 11:58:03 GMT -5
Wow, a BoSox fan talking about Yankees largesse. Always makes me laugh. Clearly a model of fiscal responsibility.
BJ Ryan will be in one of the sides uniforms next season. Given the BoSox desire to get "younger and leaner," [my friend works in their front office] I don't know that they'll shell out a lot of money for a bullpen arm. Especially if Foulke projects to recover fully and you have Hansen and either Papelbon or Arroyo in the pen. Theo wants to give nothing but three year deals. Ryan will want 4. The Yankees will give it to him.
The CF market is crap, I agree. Damon is not a good outfielder, and I'd prefer defense and a #9 hitter at CF than offense and a leadoff man. We can keep Jeter at leadoff, I just think it's a waste - he isn't a big walks/deep counts guy. He sprays the ball for singles. So...we can either
a) go after Jacque Jones on the cheap b) trade Jaret Wright, eating lots of salary, to Tampa Bay for one of their young OFs [Rocco?] c) swing a deal for Mike Cameron from the Mets d) sign Damon to a stupid contract
Yankee fans are talking about Vernon Wells...no way is Toronto parting with him. Love him as a player, though. And Torii Hunter would cost us Cano...not sure if i'd do that.
Is Juan Pierre a FA?
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 11, 2005 12:08:18 GMT -5
Juan Pierre was horrible this year. I think he is a FA, but after the year he just had, he'd be a bad signing. I don't see BJ Ryan going somewhere he isn't going to close. He'll make bank no matter where he signs, so I'd see him signing somewhere he can be the man at the end.
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Post by RDF on Oct 11, 2005 22:55:17 GMT -5
Jaque Jones?? Are you BLEEPING kidding me?? That guy is TRASH. Believe me, we've got him already in Matt Lawton, and the guy is a .245 hitter who K's all the damn time and couldn't handle the "pressure" of Minnesota, how would he handle the NY pressure? Some of you guys need to watch baseball and not just look how guys play against Yankees.
First thing that needs to be done is to forget about any idea of Bernie Williams "returning" as a Bench player. You want bench guys who can do a lot of things, Bernie can't hit, field, or run anymore so I really don't see how he fits into equation.
I really think it's time for Torre to retire or leave. New approach and new "voice" is needed in this organization and while unpopular, it's got to be pointed out that hiring Torre was also very unpopular.
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Oct 12, 2005 1:10:14 GMT -5
RDF what are your thoughts on how to proceed this offseason? you are pretty quick to shoot people down, but you haven't really added much to the conversation aside from "A-Rod sucks in the clutch, Bernie is old, Jacque Jones isn't very good". While i appreciate you pointing the obvious out, it is, in fact, obvious. Jacque Jones is a decent stopgap CF while the Yanks wait for a guy like Vernon Wells to be a FA, or until a guy like Melky Cabrera is major league ready. i would prefer to give him 2 years and hit #9 at .279 [his lifetime BA, 782 OPS] than to give Damon a huge deal that ties up 10 millon + for 4 years. Unless Juan Pierre is available or the D-Rays want to give us some young players...or Matsui is moved to center...what do you want us to do? CONSTRUCTIVE SUGGESTIONS WELCOMED. if you're going to tell me the Yankees won't be perfect with Pierre, Damon, Jones, Hunter etc...thanks, i know that. As for watching more baseball, i watch more baseball than just about anyone i know, including people that work in baseball front offices. i am a total baseball nerd, excel stat sheets to prove it. not something i am proud of, but don't tell me i need to watch more baseball to know what i am talking about. i know plenty. i know that if i could take any player from any MLB roster right now for the Yanks it'd be Chone Figgins...we miss Miguel Cairo a great deal. Bernie as a 4th OF obviously isn't as good/versatile a player as i'd like, but given that we are having a difficult enough time naming one replacement OF [to play center] i wouldn't mind bringing him back for 1 year at 4 million. he could play LF to spell whoever is there... obvously i'd love to have a situation like the Reds who have Kearns, Griffey, Dunn, Mo Pena...but we don't have that luxury now do we? Torre could leave, I'd miss him b/c he is great, but perhaps this new breed of "superstar" Yankee teams don't listen to him. His success came with grinder types, who bought into good at bats and timely hits to score runs - not bloop and blast like now. Perhaps Pinella could whip them into shape. I'd prefer Girardi. Willie Randolph should have been his successor, in any case Jaque Jones?? Are you BLEEPING kidding me?? That guy is TRASH. Believe me, we've got him already in Matt Lawton, and the guy is a .245 hitter who K's all the damn time and couldn't handle the "pressure" of Minnesota, how would he handle the NY pressure? Some of you guys need to watch baseball and not just look how guys play against Yankees. First thing that needs to be done is to forget about any idea of Bernie Williams "returning" as a Bench player. You want bench guys who can do a lot of things, Bernie can't hit, field, or run anymore so I really don't see how he fits into equation. I really think it's time for Torre to retire or leave. New approach and new "voice" is needed in this organization and while unpopular, it's got to be pointed out that hiring Torre was also very unpopular.
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Post by RDF on Oct 12, 2005 2:34:03 GMT -5
I think it's obvious you know baseball, but Jaque Jones shouldn't be considered if he was the last man on the planet to play the OF--he's seriously that bad Borat. Seeing him play up here it's a constant that he'll do nothing but strike out when you need a big RBI and he thinks he's a Power Hitter. Only Twin position players I'd want would be Mauer and Hunter and I think Hunter is trying to talk Twins into trading him with his comments locally.
One of the most important things for this team to get is a legitimate Leadoff man. Knoblauch was not good with Yankees but he did put together some scrappy AB's and knew how to hit leadoff-work counts, etc... and I'd like to see a real leadoff hitter acquired. Pierre would be decent and I'm with you on staying away from Damon, but Yankees also need to realize that teams aren't going to give them what they need.
Could not agree with you more with your take on missing Miguel Cairo--he's a guy I hated seeing go. My suggestion for what Yankees should at least attempt to do is look to Tampa for one of their OF--be it Baldelli or Gathright (I doubt they even talk to you if you ask for Crawford) or to look at teams with young CF/OF talent that would be willing to move one in return for pitcher/prospects.
Saw that some in Organization want to dump Posada and get Ramon Hernandez--as a noted Posada detractor, I'd keep him over Hernandez. I just don't like any of those old Oakland A's players though and despite what he did in San Diego as a "leader" I'd stay away from him. Rather try and get Navarro back from Dodgers as they have a guy they consider better prospect coming up in Minors.
Also liked your idea of Mike Cameron as a stop gap, good call there. And definately rather have him then Jaque Jones--Cameron is a good fielder, Jones is very poor, but will make a highlight play once every blue moon.
What Yankees have to decide is where they want some guys to play--this team has too many DH's and to me either trade Sheffield or move him to DH for his last season--he's just too poor in field for my tastes. Out of he and Matsui (assuming he re-signs) Matsui at least tries and is limited athleticially, Sheffield's "mood" dictates his effort. He's a solid hitter, but not a good player and it's #1 reason someone of his hitting talent has modeled so many uniforms.
More than anything, what this team misses is the fiery attitude of a Paul O'Neill. They need to acquire someone who will be a leader and grind out a game on a daily basis, not just when it's a "big" game.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 12, 2005 12:49:03 GMT -5
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Post by the_way on Oct 12, 2005 18:39:01 GMT -5
Interesting sports column by the Sports Guy emails he received from disgruntled fans about A-Rod's lack of "clutch performances". Scroll down to the part where it begins with the line: "3. The Yankees falling short in Anaheim, followed by the inevitable winter of good-natured A-Rod bashing." RDF, I think you will like this. ;D lol!! sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/blog/index?name=simmons
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Post by Jack on Oct 12, 2005 22:09:56 GMT -5
What a horrible way to end a game like that. I mean, absolutely disgraceful on the part of the umpire(s). Not only did Paul catch the ball, but the ump signalled for the out. At that point, the inning has to be over. If that had happened to the ChiSox there would have been 10 different Southsiders to make sure that ump did not leave the Cell tonight.
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Post by kchoya on Oct 12, 2005 22:44:01 GMT -5
I wasn't watching the game and I haven't seen the highlights. Was it really a horrible call, or was it borderline. Just by the game recaps it seems like a call you simply don't make, especially in the bottom of the ninth and especially in the playoffs.
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Oct 13, 2005 9:12:04 GMT -5
The Halos had ample opportunities to score more than one run...granted, the bad call happened in a big spot, but you make your own breaks. The immortal Rob Quinlan was the only position player for the Angels that showed up last night. That's why they lost. That and the fact that Escobar threw an 0-2 breaking pitch up in the zone to Crede - throw it in the dirt next time, Kelvim, you're up 0-2 in the count.
A lot of Yanks fans blamed the ump for calling Cano out the other night...ignoring the fact that we had runners on 1st and 2nd with nobody out and failed to move them over. The ump didn't kill us that game, our batters did.
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Post by DanMcQ on Oct 13, 2005 9:30:18 GMT -5
The Halos had ample opportunities to score more than one run...granted, the bad call happened in a big spot, but you make your own breaks. The immortal Rob Quinlan was the only position player for the Angels that showed up last night. That's why they lost. That and the fact that Escobar threw an 0-2 breaking pitch up in the zone to Crede - throw it in the dirt next time, Kelvim, you're up 0-2 in the count. A lot of Yanks fans blamed the ump for calling Cano out the other night...ignoring the fact that we had runners on 1st and 2nd with nobody out and failed to move them over. The ump didn't kill us that game, our batters did. Totally agree re: the Angels and Scioscia showed a lot of class taking that tact after the game. That said, the umps blew the call - and should have conferenced immediately to give it their best shot to get it right (as they've done in recent past).
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Oct 13, 2005 11:52:04 GMT -5
Does anyone else think that the ball did not bounce? I've seen the replay a couple dozen times today and it would seem to me that if the ball were to bounce off the ground when thrown at 85+ MPH it would bounce in to the heel of the glove and not get caught in the webbing which is what happened.
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Post by Jack on Oct 13, 2005 12:16:10 GMT -5
The ball did not bounce. It was picked clean. Which is why Josh Paul did not immediately apply the tag to AJP.
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Post by RDF on Oct 13, 2005 12:58:35 GMT -5
Few things to comment on:
1. Thanks for the A-Rod link Way, at least some people share my frustration/feelings on this guy.
2. That call was bad, but if Paul just tags the guy to make sure, you have no issue at all.
3. Why is Josh Paul catching? Isn't there another Molina brother somewhere?
4. As bad as the call was--Eddings did motion that hitter was out and that is NOT his regular strike call, the worst thing I've ever seen was that "Umpire Press Conference"--that has Oliver Stone writing a script as we speak--seriously they weren't on same page, the "Director" of Umpires was about as shady as they come, and Eddings had a skin growth that was so distracting I was waiting for Mike Meyers to emerge with a "Mole, Moley, Moley, Mole" question only with Wart instead of Mole.
5. Borat is right about Cano play/situation and only call I felt was poor against Yankees was the pickoff play--thought Figgins was out but it didn't matter since they won that game anyway. Just seems as Joe West has something up his rear about Cano though--the neighborood play being prime example--it's good call but NEVER called consistently.
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Post by One on Oct 13, 2005 17:29:40 GMT -5
It was probably a bad call. However, as stated above, just put the tag on him and there is no issue.
Josh Paul was catching because Scoscia pinch ran for the Molina who had been catching an inning or two earlier. The other Molina was DH last night, so if he had gone behind the plate after his brother was pulled, the Angels would have lost their DH.
It's unfortunate everyone will probably only remember the way the game ended because Buehrle sure threw a gem last night. Most people probably won't remember it when this game is talked about down the road.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 13, 2005 23:55:01 GMT -5
Truth of the matter is that the White Sox, at home, with Buerhle dealing, were more likely than not to win that one anyone. It didn't bounce, and Eddings is an ass. Not for making a mistake, but for that ridiculous press conference.
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