|
Post by mrsparkle12 on Sept 21, 2007 10:35:03 GMT -5
I walk on it every week. Should I be fined? I might see your point if the seal weren't located right in the middle of a walk way...a place where you're supposed to walk. Do you really think whoever had the idea of placing the seal there intended for everyone to walk around the seal when they put it in the middle of a confined walk way? It's an issue of respect. It seems idiotic that this even needs to be explained, but there's a cultural significance to walking over things -- more so in other parts of the world -- as well as historical significance to the Georgetown seal. The issue wasn't with people walking on it in everyday use, it's of a student newspaper choosing the image of it's university symbol being trampled as it's masthead. It's just not tasteful. If they wanted their website be a joke, they should have had a picture of Jack the Bulldog taking a dump. Not some as&hole walking over the seal in an ORANGE shoe.
|
|
vcjack
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,875
|
Post by vcjack on Sept 21, 2007 10:57:55 GMT -5
Protesting the image on this website would likely be the most pointless act in history. This sentence makes no sense and is definitely the most pointless HoyaTalk post in history. Bold statement, much of what we do is very pointless But seriously it doesn't take a genius to understand that people on a website made up of Georgetown fans would have an issue with an orange shoe stepping on the seal
|
|
|
Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 21, 2007 11:39:13 GMT -5
I agree that stepping on the seal is offensive and to have that be the picture on their website is very offensive personally. It really takes a split second to walk around it rather than over it. It's a tradition. One of the few we have. Editeding kids these days have no damn respect for anything!
|
|
H2Oya 05
Bulldog (over 250 posts)
Let's go Hoyas!
Posts: 298
|
Post by H2Oya 05 on Sept 21, 2007 11:53:14 GMT -5
The Voice should know enough about G'town to know to walk around the seal.
|
|
bubbrubbhoya
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
We are the intuitive minds that plot the course. Woo-WOOO!
Posts: 1,369
|
Post by bubbrubbhoya on Sept 21, 2007 11:57:58 GMT -5
I walk on it every week. Should I be fined? I might see your point if the seal weren't located right in the middle of a walk way...a place where you're supposed to walk. Do you really think whoever had the idea of placing the seal there intended for everyone to walk around the seal when they put it in the middle of a confined walk way? I think it's time to pull the plug on schiavoed. Too soon?
|
|
|
Post by mrsparkle12 on Sept 21, 2007 13:09:18 GMT -5
I walk on it every week. Should I be fined? I might see your point if the seal weren't located right in the middle of a walk way...a place where you're supposed to walk. Do you really think whoever had the idea of placing the seal there intended for everyone to walk around the seal when they put it in the middle of a confined walk way? I think it's time to pull the plug on schiavoed. Too soon? I think so. Believe me, I've tried. The Lincoln assassination just recently became funny.
|
|
TC
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 9,477
|
Post by TC on Sept 21, 2007 17:46:42 GMT -5
Hoyatalk vs. The Voice blog.georgetownvoice.com/2007/09/20/hoyatalk-vs-the-voice/I take umbrage with only one statement : "But why would these anonymous alums bash students who work long ours to contribute to our campus’ culture? Maybe the same reason they have plenty of time to spend rehashing their golden college years on the internet: they don’t have anything productive to do with their time." I have much more productive uses of my time than to read The Voice.
|
|
|
Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Sept 21, 2007 18:11:30 GMT -5
Two things:
(1) The Voice's main website is blocked by the federal agency I work for; it "may be inappropriate." I am able, however, access the Hoya and Independent's main sites. Coincidence? Somehow, I can access the Voice's blog .... hmmm. (2) On the subject of Hoyatalk v. The Voice, is this editor-in-chief seriously comparing what's written on Hoyatalk - an anonymous, free message board - with what's written in The Voice - a university-funded newspaper that purports to have standards of journalistic integrity? If so, I have only one thing to say to the author. To paraphrase the blue-eyed hottie from Sin City, "sugar, you just gone and done a dumb thing."
Ok I have a second thing to say to him: don't knock it 'till you've tried it.
|
|
|
Post by LizziebethHoya on Sept 21, 2007 20:08:52 GMT -5
Quote regarding the picture: "Well, it’s a joke. Also, if not stepping on the seal was such a university priority, maybe it shouldn’t have been put on the ground in front of a door. I’m just sayin’."
1) It's a joke? I'm not laughing. 2) Do they understand the tradition regarding the seal is not the existance of the seal itself, its the fact that you have to WALK AROUND IT. Where are they suggesting the university put it? Have it hanging from the ceiling? 3) It's not just alums on these boards, kiddo. They are your peers who feel that the picture is disrespectful to the school they go to.
|
|
|
Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Sept 21, 2007 20:30:16 GMT -5
Hoyatalk vs. The Voice blog.georgetownvoice.com/2007/09/20/hoyatalk-vs-the-voice/I take umbrage with only one statement : "But why would these anonymous alums bash students who work long ours to contribute to our campus’ culture? Maybe the same reason they have plenty of time to spend rehashing their golden college years on the internet: they don’t have anything productive to do with their time." I have much more productive uses of my time than to read The Voice. What's hilarious about this is the beginning of the final paragraph: If you are going to do the following: 1) Take comments from anonymous people ripping you so seriously that you write in your blog about it. Only to explain that it's you that has the sense of humor. 2) Defend your journalistic integrity in a blog entry. Then maybe you'd like to take the time to proofread it: Oh well. I'm sure they'll say that it was meant to be ironic. Every error looks better if you say it was a joke right? That's what The Voice likes to do. ON EDIT: Fixed some gramatical and spelling errors because I'm better than The Voice.
|
|
bubbrubbhoya
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
We are the intuitive minds that plot the course. Woo-WOOO!
Posts: 1,369
|
Post by bubbrubbhoya on Sept 21, 2007 21:27:54 GMT -5
Haha! The Voice allows itself to be drawn into an argument with a message board. Wow. By the way, did anyone catch the City Paper thrown in as one of the reputable publications to which Voice alums have graduated. I mean, if you're trying to make an argument, trot out your strongest points and hide the weakest.
Let it be known, by the way, that I think pretty much all Georgeotwn "journalism" is terrible. If winning as many awards as the Hoya is the measure of success, then I'd say they've made as good a case as possible for why the world should ignore them. That said, despite its overall low quality, the Hoya is a thousand times the paper the Voice is.
|
|
The Stig
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 2,844
|
Post by The Stig on Sept 22, 2007 0:14:55 GMT -5
Like others have pointed out here, it's not just a shoe on the seal. It's an ORANGE shoe on the seal. The Voice seems to be promoting the idea of Syracuse walking all over us. Or maybe they're just so out of touch that they don't know that orange happens to be the color of our most hated rival. If their reporting on the student season ticket plan is anything to go by they certainly can't tell their a*ses from their elbows when it comes to Georgetown basketball. Their awards aren't as much a good reflection on them as a bad reflection on the person giving out the awards.
The sad thing is that I'm a student on the left of the political spectrum. I'm The Voice's target audience, but I'd rather read a good (but not great) paper aimed at a wide audience than an absolute rag aimed right at me. So I read The Hoya instead of The Voice.
|
|
|
Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 22, 2007 11:13:30 GMT -5
60% of the voices articles are just a writer going on about some random subject or telling some story that happened to them. out of say 10 articles there are maybe 4 that even pretend to have facts and to be reporting on an issue the rest is pretty much an author going let me tell you about why i like puppies or here's what i did last friday. On the rare occasion i do read the voice there's only about 4 or so articles that i can even consider reading.
|
|
|
Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 22, 2007 17:33:51 GMT -5
So i wrote a response on the voices blog around 11:30 today and ii went back just now, and it's no longer there. WTF they deleted the one response back that was negative. What a bunch of tools.
|
|
|
Post by strummer8526 on Sept 22, 2007 23:13:52 GMT -5
If you consider needlessly attacking other campus groups based on poor research and conjecture to be "contribut[ing] to our campus’ culture" then the Voice does a bang-up job. As one of the people who spent a long time busting his ass for groups that actually did try to do things on campus, I can say that our "culture" is better off without their crap.*
*Again noting the rare exceptions. I'm sure there are some good kids who write well and just happen to be inclined to direct what they do to that paper. But philosophically, the way they seem to approach Georgetown is just way off.
|
|
|
Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 23, 2007 16:01:31 GMT -5
ok they have now put my post back up( perhaps their system is just really slow and it took a while to be posted).
|
|
|
Post by mrsparkle12 on Sept 23, 2007 18:08:45 GMT -5
If they're adding this issue to their blog, then I guess they recognize their status as an irrelevant campus publication, and just hope the create controversy to resurrect themselves.
Re: their comment about "not bashing students who work long hours to contribute to our campus’ culture," I would argue that they're doing more harm to campus culture by stomping on one of our few traditions (e.g. orange shoe trampling university seal) and writing negative articles (e.g. the LEED science building article) than they are doing good.
If they thought the photo was a good "joke" then perhaps they were taking comedy tips from Michael Richards... or Margaret Cho. Because I can't imagine many people in the University community looked at that and had a good chuckle.
|
|
|
Post by mplshoya on Sept 23, 2007 19:40:38 GMT -5
My freshman theology teacher (a devout Catholic, but not a priest) took great delight in stomping on the seal whenever he got a chance. He explained to me that thought it was a foolish superstition and that the mosaic dated back to the mid 1990s. Not sure if that's true, and even though I still avoided walking over the seal, I never thought the same about it again. In any case, I don't know what Georgetown you guys attended, but i could not imagine anyone from my class giving two bleeps about a picture of a shoe on a seal. I mean...really guys? Seriously?
|
|
hoyaLS05
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,652
|
Post by hoyaLS05 on Sept 23, 2007 19:45:15 GMT -5
I would argue that they're doing more harm to campus culture by stomping on one of our few traditions (e.g. orange shoe trampling university seal) and writing negative articles (e.g. the LEED science building article) than they are doing good. If they thought the photo was a good "joke" then perhaps they were taking comedy tips from Michael Richards... or Margaret Cho. Because I can't imagine many people in the University community looked at that and had a good chuckle. I don't think writing negative articles is damaging to campus culture, per say, it is writing factually incorrect negative articles that is bad. Had the LEED story been true, fine. Good to report on things good and bad. I hope you don't expect campus publications to just be university cheerleaders. As for the photo of the foot on the seal, I don't think it is remotely funny. I think its pretty stupid. But disrespectful? Really? My take on it is that at The Voice, a Vietnam-era offshoot of the traditional campus publication, they are flouting tradition. In theory, I don't really see anything wrong with that. I think its a slight overreaction to say that it damages campus culture to have that photo on their Web site. As for the shoe being orange, yes orange is Syracuse's color so they probably shouldn't have picked orange. But come on. 15-20 posters on this board probably made that connection, and it went over the head of just about everybody else. I don't think it is that big a deal. Student journalism at Georgetown is very much a work in progress at all three of the publications. I think reactions like this -- both by the university community (read: this board) and the publication itself (read: the Voice's blog) -- to something so trivial and stupid may be a contributing factor to why, try as students might, journalism on the Hilltop (at the Voice as well as The Hoya) still has a ways to go. Lastly, the Voice should try and sell advertising on their blog. If they'd had it in place last week, they might be able to pay their bills for the month with all of the traffic this little brouhaha has generated.
|
|
|
Post by mrsparkle12 on Sept 23, 2007 21:20:13 GMT -5
My freshman theology teacher (a devout Catholic, but not a priest) took great delight in stomping on the seal whenever he got a chance. He explained to me that thought it was a foolish superstition and that the mosaic dated back to the mid 1990s. Not sure if that's true, and even though I still avoided walking over the seal, I never thought the same about it again. In any case, I don't know what Georgetown you guys attended, but i could not imagine anyone from my class giving two bleeps about a picture of a shoe on a seal. I mean...really guys? Seriously? Foolish superstition or not, that's the sort of thing that would be funny to a Syracuse student, not a Georgetown student. The Voice should have had the sense to know that. Throw in an anti-Georgetown sentiment in their articles (e.g. blatant bias in their science building piece), and they should expect to receive a reaction.
|
|