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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Mar 2, 2005 12:50:19 GMT -5
GU will not take a cent for McD unless it is an 8 figure donation from a single donor. That's how the renovations even make it on the table.
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 2, 2005 12:54:54 GMT -5
GU will not take a cent for McD unless it is an 8 figure donation from a single donor. That's how the renovations even make it on the table. I don't really have any exerience with this, but somehow I don't seem them turning down the donation if it's sizable enough no matter how many people are included. How sizable, is of course, another issue, but every man (or administration) has their price. Of course, none of that matters if that sizable donation can't be raised.
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Post by hoyahoyasaxa on Mar 2, 2005 12:55:34 GMT -5
What if it was from a single donor whose funds came from many donors? Thinking creatively.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Mar 2, 2005 12:58:54 GMT -5
What if it was from a single donor whose funds came from many donors? Thinking creatively. There was an effort to collect money in this fashion last year, and the organizers of the effort came back with information that the money collected would not get the issue on the table because it did not come from a single donor/source. Don't kill the messenger.
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 2, 2005 13:07:25 GMT -5
But if you created an official organization whose goal was to raise money for the center...would that be considered one donor? I can't see why not as a corporation would be viewed as a single donor, right?
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Mar 2, 2005 13:10:29 GMT -5
But if you created an official organization whose goal was to raise money for the center...would that be considered one donor? I can't see why not as a corporation would be viewed as a single donor, right? Not according to the dictionaries in Healy 3, if I remember correctly. THe plan was to create an escrow, and it didn't go very far beyond this board.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 2, 2005 13:13:14 GMT -5
Parking is not the issue.
The neighborhood is not the issue.
The issue is money, and the University is preferring to spend it on other projects before it spends it on a convocation center.
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Post by hoyahoyasaxa on Mar 2, 2005 13:16:08 GMT -5
What if a group raised enough $$ and gave it to one designated person. Then that one person could approach the university as the single donor with $10 million. The university wouldn't know where the money came from. And even if they heard about this effort, it would be bizarre for them to question that single donor's source of funds.
Example- 1000 (or whatever it would take) donors raise the $10 million. They give the money to their representative, "John Doe." "John Doe" approaches Georgetown with the $10 million as a gift from himself.
And the university definitely wouldn't want, "Georgetown Turns Down $10 million Donation for Basketball Facility," in the Post. Then it would be on ESPN, etc. Dukie V: "If the Hoyas want to make a commitment to their basketball program and JTIII, baby, they're going to have to put a facility on campus. Take the money, baby. Take the money." Would look terrible for the program and for the university. I think they would take it.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Mar 2, 2005 13:28:28 GMT -5
What if a group raised enough $$ and gave it to one designated person. Then that one person could approach the university as the single donor with $10 million. The university wouldn't know where the money came from. And even if they heard about this effort, it would be bizarre for them to question that single donor's source of funds. Example- 1000 donors raise the $10 million. They give the money to their representative, John Doe. John Doe approaches Georgetown with the $10 million as a gift from himself. And the university definitely wouldn't want, "Georgetown Turns Down $10 million Donation for Basketball Facility," in the Post. Then it would be on ESPN, etc. Dukie V: "If the Hoyas want to make a commitment to their basketball program and JTIII, baby, they're going to have to put a facility on campus. Take the money, baby. Take the money." Would look terrible for the program and for the university. I think they would take it. How soon we forget that the University didn't much care about the editorials de jour in the Times and Post last spring and issued a vote of confidence for Esherick. They'd easily dispatch Sports Information Control (SIC) to manage any effects of the GU turns down $10 million story.
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 2, 2005 13:36:27 GMT -5
I'm no lawyer, but basically, I think we would have to form a John Thompson Convocation Center Foundation, a legally recognized non-profit organization. That organization could then in turn collect money and pledges from various alumni and notables for the new complex. It could then turn the money raised over to the University as a single donor.
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Post by hoyahoyasaxa on Mar 2, 2005 13:40:15 GMT -5
How soon we forget that the University didn't much care about the editorials de jour in the Times and Post last spring and issued a vote of confidence for Esherick. They'd easily dispatch Sports Information Control (SIC) to manage any effects of the GU turns down $10 million story. But I think they did care to an extent. The "vote of confidence" always comes before the firing. I think the editorials were part of the reason Esherick was fired. The university is very sensitive about this image. Also, maybe that big donor doesn't know that the university is even considering a new arena, but that it won't start the fundraising until it gets an 8 figure check. I don't think Georgetown sent a letter to all of their wealthiest alumni and said, "If you'd like a basketball arena built, please send an eight figure check." That donor might just think that the university isn't even considering an arena at all. An effort would receive publicity and might bring a big donor out of the woodwork. It wouldn't hurt to try something, since nothing is being done currently. If something is tried, maybe it will work, maybe it won't. If nothing is done, then we'll have to wait however many decades before the university starts fundraising.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Mar 2, 2005 13:43:01 GMT -5
I will by no means talk anyone out of starting something up, but there was a large effort last year to get something done, and its efforts were largely abortive.
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Post by hoyahoyasaxa on Mar 2, 2005 13:49:10 GMT -5
I will by no means talk anyone out of starting something up, but there was a large effort last year to get something done, and its efforts were largely abortive. I know. If I remember correctly, the effort last year came at a time of a lot of turmoil in the program. There were a lot of things being thrown at the university at once. Maybe now that things have stabilized to an extent, some heads can be put together on this. I feel like all we need is a lawyer to advise the group on options, a webmaster to put something on the internet, and a few other people to drive this thing. Just saying it wouldn't hurt to try. Maybe Devastatin' Dave can do a promotional rap video for it.
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 2, 2005 13:51:00 GMT -5
No, I understand totally Jersey, I'm just trying to get up to speed to where things were left off.
At first blush, it seems to me that the major obstacle was the University's unwillingness to deal with this issue now or in the near future. However, what do you think of shifting our focus and efforts to a larger, longer term plane.
As in, rather than look for immeadiate results within the next 1-5 years, establish the ground work and organization that can garner these funds and lobby the administration over the next decade or whatever the time frame needed to make it happen.
Of course, this would require a lot of time and effort for a lot of people, but it is not impossible. If we could get some key alumni on board as board members, well, then the ball is really rolling....just a thought obviously, but is there anyone of the board: a) with legal experience in university fundraising b) development or alumni relations in general
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Mar 2, 2005 13:51:23 GMT -5
I know. If I remember correctly, the effort last year came at a time of a lot of turmoil in the program. There were a lot of things being thrown at the university at once. Maybe now that things have stabilized to an extent, some heads can be put together on this. I feel like all we need is a lawyer to advise the group on options, a webmaster to put something on the internet, and a few other people to drive this thing. Just saying it wouldn't hurt to try. Maybe Devastatin' Dave can do a promotional rap video for it. If you're so interested or anyone else, it might be worthwhile to make a few calls to McDonough and Healy before proceeding. A similar effort at Villanova, per DFW, was shut down because the NCAA frowns upon third party fundraising for athletics.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2005 14:11:51 GMT -5
I know. If I remember correctly, the effort last year came at a time of a lot of turmoil in the program. There were a lot of things being thrown at the university at once. Maybe now that things have stabilized to an extent, some heads can be put together on this. I feel like all we need is a lawyer to advise the group on options, a webmaster to put something on the internet, and a few other people to drive this thing. Just saying it wouldn't hurt to try. Maybe Devastatin' Dave can do a promotional rap video for it. I also think you'd need an NCAA compliance officer or something of that nature. I can't imagine the NCAA doesn't SOMEHOW have their fingers in facility management (in other words, making sure shady things aren't being done to build a new weight room at School X, a new stadium, etc.). You can all jump down my throats, but I think the school SHOULD have other priorities at this point: a science center and finishing both the b-school building and the MSF (both stages) come to mind. Also, any renovations to McD would likely consider basketball secondary; the primary concerns revolving around a viable convocation center for graduations, concerts, speakers and the like (of course, it is VERY simple to address both at the same time). And one more thing... nobody giving $10 million or whatever we are throwing around here is going to let it be named anything other than "Big Donor Convocation Center." We'd have to settle for something like the "John Thompson Court at Big Donor Convocation Center." Semantics, but just a thought.
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 2, 2005 14:21:31 GMT -5
I don't think it is a question of robbing Peter to pay Paul, but one of human resources and political capital. The University has just finished new dorms, just started a new sports complex and is now focusing on what it sees as the next priority -- academic buildings. I see that they are working within a cycle, and that athletics will not reach the forefront until academics and possibly housing(again) have been dealt with.
However, look at it this way, it is unlikely that the people targeted for donations toward the new science building or other academic building are the same that would be targeted for the convocation center. However, that being said, it would more than likely be the same Development officers having to split their time between the two efforts. In that regard, I agree with you Buffalo, let the university focus on academics...but perhaps that is where volunteer energy could best be spent -- filling the human resource gap.
If you can get alumni committed to making it happen organically, but still compliant with the NCAA I don't think the University would have a problem at all. I think their concerns are two fold:
1) they don't want to stretch their human resources and political capital (getting it approved) too thin when academics are their current priority
2) any effort independent from the University runs the risk of not being compliant with NCAA policy and jeopordizing Georgetown's reputation and legacy
I can sympathize with both concerns, but I disagree that it is best to sit back and wait a decade before getting the wheels moving -- even if it is slowly and very low key now. Hopefully, if we can determine what is legally feasible, we can get started on whatever scale possible and then just dovetail our efforts into a University driven effort in a few years.
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Post by EasyEd on Mar 2, 2005 14:28:41 GMT -5
Corporations are eager to pay millions to have their name put on an arena (COMCAST Center, MCI Center). Do you suppose they would be equally interested in donating $10M or $100M to both build and have their name on the combination Convocation/Arena building? Or, is there something illegal about this? Or against NCAA rules?
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Post by TBird41 on Mar 2, 2005 14:36:07 GMT -5
Corporations are eager to pay millions to have their name put on an arena (COMCAST Center, MCI Center). Do you suppose they would be equally interested in donating $10M or $100M to both build and have their name on the combination Convocation/Arena building? Or, is there something illegal about this? Or against NCAA rules? Considering that PC plays at Dunkin' Donuts Arena (which is their aren) I'd bet against it. Something worth looking into for sure, but the court needs to be named after JTII--something like JTII Court at ___ Center would need to be worked out for a name.
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Post by HoyaSox04 on Mar 2, 2005 14:56:22 GMT -5
Considering that PC plays at Dunkin' Donuts Arena (which is their aren) I'd bet against it. Something worth looking into for sure, but the court needs to be named after JTII--something like JTII Court at ___ Center would need to be worked out for a name. The Dunkin' Donuts Arena is no more their arena than the MCI Center is ours. The DD is located in downtown Providence, a solid distance away from PC. It really has no affiliation with the campus.
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