hoyaboy1
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Dec 16, 2007 17:49:05 GMT -5
Exactly, GIGA. I think as time passes Austin will get more minutes and Pat fewer, but I don't think it matters at all as far as who starts.
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Post by hoyalawyer on Dec 16, 2007 18:38:24 GMT -5
Pat is crucial for reasons other than scoring. His presence in the Starting Line up allows Roy to not have to guard the best post of the other team and stay out of foul trouble, also his presence allows Summers to "Big Boy" other 3's (small forwards per se). Also Pat is one of the better rebounders on the team. "A Freezy" will get his, but the current starters are fine. (If it "ain't" broke don't fix it.)
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Dec 16, 2007 19:07:41 GMT -5
That sounds all cool, but doesn't Austin do this too? I mean Austin's game is unlike anyone else we have on the floor and he is a natural scorer that can heat things up in a hurry. Isn't that good off the bench as well? Why not start with a big, defensively imposing lineup and then bring in an offensive juggernaut later in the game. I'm sure it would work either way and no matter what decision is made it will appear to be the "right" one since it's probably a wash. I just don't see any real benefit to Ewing coming off the bench versus Austin. What really counts? Who is on the court during the last 4 minutes of close games. Watch how that plays out as the season progresses.
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Dec 16, 2007 19:11:01 GMT -5
Pat is crucial for reasons other than scoring. His presence in the Starting Line up allows Roy to not have to guard the best post of the other team and stay out of foul trouble, also his presence allows Summers to "Big Boy" other 3's (small forwards per se). Also Pat is one of the better rebounders on the team. "A Freezy" will get his, but the current starters are fine. (If it "ain't" broke don't fix it.) What might be a recurring theme of the season will be the underrating of Macklin and Pat on this defense. What you just said about allowing Summers to guard other 3s is extremely important to our defensive philosophy. It is much harder to get a shot off against a switching Summers than a switching Freeman. And it is much harder to pass against him as well. The length of our D is what leads opponents to shoot a low percentage from the field. Plus Mack and Pat are shooting 60% in their own right. It's not like they're incompetent offensively by any stretch. They just defer to the other guys more and aren't outside threats. SirSaxa, just read your post. Ideally we'll go offense/defense with Freeman/Ewing late in games.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 16, 2007 20:06:21 GMT -5
pat was the 3rd leading scorer last night after AF, and DS, with 15.
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Post by bmartin on Dec 16, 2007 23:15:03 GMT -5
Ewing will continue to start. He is one of the best if not the best on the team at making the entry pass to Roy from the baseline or the wing. Then he cuts like no one else if his man doubles down. When he is too aggressive everyone remembers it, but most of the time he really has been making very good decisions, taking good shots, and making good passes. Ewing has made 59.5% of his field goal attempts. He also helps set the tone on defense and on the boards. However, after JTIII takes him out the first time, he has started to play Ewing when Macklin is in the game to add another rebounder and post defender. Against bigger frontlines, I don't think the Summers at 4, Freeman at 3 lineup can play for a long stretch with Macklin.
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Post by nychoya3 on Dec 17, 2007 13:33:43 GMT -5
I feel obligated to note the three pointer that Austin hit from the corner against Radford in the second half. I was looking right at him as he caught the kickout. The Radford player is closing fast to contest the shot. Freeman, who is generally one of the most stone-faced players I've ever seen on the floor, sneers at the guy, and sinks the three like he was dropping it in from 2 feet. The guy is nasty. He'll go down as one of the best scorers we've had on the hilltop.
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Post by Hoya Rich on Dec 17, 2007 14:02:36 GMT -5
I watch Freeman play with such efficiency and productivity, and then I watch my alma mater's star freshman, OJ Mayo, compile 36 turnovers to 25 assists in his season to date and I say... thank goodness Mr. Freeman came to GU.
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Post by HoNYaSaxa on Dec 17, 2007 14:03:19 GMT -5
I feel obligated to note the three pointer that Austin hit from the corner against Radford in the second half. I was looking right at him as he caught the kickout. The Radford player is closing fast to contest the shot. Freeman, who is generally one of the most stone-faced players I've ever seen on the floor, sneers at the guy, and sinks the three like he was dropping it in from 2 feet. The guy is nasty. He'll go down as one of the best scorers we've had on the hilltop. Love this.
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Post by HoNYaSaxa on Dec 17, 2007 14:07:46 GMT -5
That sounds all cool, but doesn't Austin do this too? I mean Austin's game is unlike anyone else we have on the floor and he is a natural scorer that can heat things up in a hurry. Isn't that good off the bench as well? Why not start with a big, defensively imposing lineup and then bring in an offensive juggernaut later in the game. I'm sure it would work either way and no matter what decision is made it will appear to be the "right" one since it's probably a wash. I just don't see any real benefit to Ewing coming off the bench versus Austin. This is like the Bulls bringing Ben Gordon off the bench in his first few years in the league. They would start a big lineup of Curry, Chandler, Deng, Nocioni, and Hinrich but bring Gordon in for big minutes & big scoring outputs.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 17, 2007 14:15:52 GMT -5
player A is shooting 61% from the field 44% from 3. 100% from the line 1.4/1 Ast/TO 1.57 PPS player B is shooting 43% from the field 38% from 3. 80% from the line 1/1.5 Ast/TO 1.17 PPS player C is shooting 54% from the field 51% from 3. 83% from the line 1/1.4 Ast/TO 1.9 PPS player D is shooting 48% from the field 25% from 3. 72% from the line 1.2/1 Ast/TO 1.4 PPS
A is our own austin freeman B is OJ mayo C is eric gordon D is derrick rose
austin doesn't play as much nor is he averaging as many points, but in these categories he stacks up pretty well.
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Post by vcjack on Dec 17, 2007 14:17:00 GMT -5
That sounds all cool, but doesn't Austin do this too? I mean Austin's game is unlike anyone else we have on the floor and he is a natural scorer that can heat things up in a hurry. Isn't that good off the bench as well? Why not start with a big, defensively imposing lineup and then bring in an offensive juggernaut later in the game. I'm sure it would work either way and no matter what decision is made it will appear to be the "right" one since it's probably a wash. I just don't see any real benefit to Ewing coming off the bench versus Austin. This is like the Bulls bringing Ben Gordon off the bench in his first few years in the league. The would start a big lineup of Curry, Chandler Deng, Nocioni, and Hinrich but bring Gordon in for big minutes & big scoring outputs. And that strategy insured that Gordon became the first rookie to win the "6th man of the year" award but I'd hope we are looking for a better year than flaming out to a bad team in the tournament Well to be fair to Skiles that "big" lineup consisted primarily of fat ass Eddy Curry who Roy could possibly be better than right now
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Post by RBHoya on Dec 17, 2007 14:28:08 GMT -5
player A is shooting 61% from the field 44% from 3. 100% from the line 1.4/1 Ast/TO 1.57 PPS player B is shooting 43% from the field 38% from 3. 80% from the line 1/1.5 Ast/TO 1.17 PPS player C is shooting 54% from the field 51% from 3. 83% from the line 1/1.4 Ast/TO 1.9 PPS player D is shooting 48% from the field 25% from 3. 72% from the line 1.2/1 Ast/TO 1.4 PPS A is our own austin freeman B is OJ mayo C is eric gordon D is derrick rose austin doesn't play as much nor is he averaging as many points, but in these categories he stacks up pretty well. Insightful post, Freeman stacks up well against everyone there. Gordon is a great college player so its unsurprising that he is the highest in PPS, and if Austin is hanging tough with a guy like Gordon on stats, we've got ourselves a great one. At Georgetown, points per game matter little. Our system is all about efficiency, and that's why Austin is perfect for it. He knows his shot when he sees it, and he hits it. We don't need volume shooters like Mayo, we need guys who take what's given to them and shoot a high percentage.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Dec 17, 2007 18:09:01 GMT -5
Ever since I saw Awesome Freeman (credit: SirSaxa) at the DC City Champs in April, I knew he'd be a special player. I remember thinking that he was already Big East able, had poise, tenacity, and maturity for a guy his age, and his body was big enough to bang with BE players. He's going to be a key for our success as long as he's here.
Thanks for the numbers, HSB. Very interesting.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 17, 2007 19:14:09 GMT -5
Much as I love Austin:
Austin Freeman: 124 ORating, 17%/21% Possessions/Shots, 17 ARate Eric Gordon: 122 ORating, 30%/29% Poss./Shots, 17 ARate OJ Mayo: 96 ORating, 30%/36% Poss./Shots, 20 ARate Derrick: 110 ORating, 27%/24% Poss./Shots, 25 ARate
Austin isn't just not putting up the numbers because of minutes; he's also not asked to score at the same rate these other guys are. Gordon is clearly the cream of the crop -- Austin-like efficiency but taking nearly 50% more shots when he's in.
Rose is having a similar season, with less efficiency but more assists and usage.
Mayo is hard to compare. But he's simply hurting his team right now.
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hoyaboy1
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Dec 17, 2007 19:36:34 GMT -5
This doesn't change your general point, but those numbers are a week old, and I'd guess Freeman's numbers have taken a nice bump. I'd figure it out myself but I don't see the formula on Kenpom's site.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 17, 2007 19:40:45 GMT -5
This doesn't change your general point, but those numbers are a week old, and I'd guess Freeman's numbers have taken a nice bump. I'd figure it out myself but I don't see the formula on Kenpom's site. Normally it wouldn't change much, but a 21 point on 7-9/6-6 shooting probably takes Austin's Rating into the stratosphere!
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 17, 2007 20:34:45 GMT -5
love pat and austin both are great pat for his d and rebbies and hustle and energy adn austin fro his inside and outside and rebbies GREAT POSITIONING and etc etc love them both love all the hoyas and omar may hit a critical three sometime go hoyas one and all all need our a game for memphis dont forget the big guy you know OUR seven footer go roy its time to come out and PLAY beat memphis ;D ;D ;D
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Post by CTHoya08 on Dec 22, 2007 14:33:14 GMT -5
Three games in a row now.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 22, 2007 14:39:02 GMT -5
Three games in a row now. And honestly should have been on the court more.
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