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Post by blueandgray on Feb 5, 2008 12:38:23 GMT -5
Yes Balla - Mission League playoffs are this weekend... . You've got Hollis' game pretty much pegged.
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Post by RDF on Feb 6, 2008 2:17:06 GMT -5
Henry Sims led Mt. St. Joe's to an easy win tonight. He had 19 pts, 15 rebounds, and 4 blocked shots.
Jason Clark and O'Connell got the "W" tonight as well with a 62-52 win over Good Counsel.
Clark led his team with 28 pts last night.
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Post by balla on Feb 6, 2008 20:51:04 GMT -5
The good thing about Sims, Monroe, and Braswell is that they are all pretty interchangable. So there is no need for GU burn a schollie on a PF in the 09 class. Plus with Clark there is no need to burn a schollie on a PG in the 09 class either.
If GU has Hollis(wing) and Riley(center) in 09, then GU can take a full class in 2010. Should be 4 schollies in 2010: PG, SG, SF, PF
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Post by idhoya on Feb 6, 2008 23:56:54 GMT -5
If they have a chance at Leslie, I think they take him. That said, I could see them saving the schollie too. Need a banger. Need an enforcer. Need a rebounder.
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Post by balla on Feb 7, 2008 1:03:27 GMT -5
agree on Leslie.
Braswell is the banger/enforcer/rebounder if he qualifies, so there is no need to take another PF in 09.
Just to clarify that question about Armwood that I just read. Armwood does not have any official offers, because if I recall Vetter does not want his players getting offers until after their JR seasons. GU still likes Armwood and Vinson, but it is a numbers game. Hollis and Riley get the first to spots, then maybe a Leslie.
The 2010 wings are probably better prospects.
I've never been a fan of Vetter, and Armwood has a trainer that likes to be involved in the recruiting process. So I am fine if GU moved on...
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 7, 2008 9:54:00 GMT -5
Balla, I see your positional point. Here's my counter-argument:
I think Dante Taylor is really, really good. I also think that we need skill differentiation, and I don't know how good of an offensive bull Braswell is going to be. Sims and Monroe -- who may be gone -- are more finesse players on offense.
I don't really want to see us run a Princeton like Princeton does -- with no real low post play. We may have that next year, and I think we'll need exceptional play from our perimeter guys to make up for it.
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Post by blueandgray on Feb 7, 2008 12:12:38 GMT -5
Quick question regarding '09 schollies. For some reason I thought we had only one spot open and that was filled when Hollis committed. I know Sapp will be graduating next year (and assuming Monroe and Summers stay) that's the only opening, right? Oh... and then i guess there is Jansen's spot... so that would consititute the second opening... so maybe that's the secong spot? .....i'm confused.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 7, 2008 12:19:27 GMT -5
Shcolarship TableFor the '08 class, we have five scholarships available: Jon, Pat, Roy, Tyler and Jeff, which we didn't fill. We are bringing in four players currently, leaving Jeff's still unfilled. Sapp graduates and Hollis has that scholarship. Jeff's is still empty. In addition, we have two very real early entry possibilities at minimum (DaJuan after NEXT year, Monroe, maybe even Austin?). Plus two periods where transfers are possible. And three semesters of possible academics casualties. I think we will only take two, but I wouldn't be shocked to see us have three scholarships to give. However, if we use that third, we may only have 2 schollies in the next class (Summers, Rivers, Mack -- but if Summers is the source of the third...). And that class has Thorton and Hairston and all sorts of people we are on as well.
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Post by RDF on Feb 7, 2008 13:39:29 GMT -5
Hollis Thompson had 21 points to lead Loyola to at least a share of the Conference Title for the 7th time in last 8 years.
In regards to the questions about Braswell, don't worry about his offensive game--on the blocks he's most polished of the frontcourt recruits in terms of post moves/footwork. He's got a great drop step/up and under move and is far more talented then some give him credit for. He's just an outstanding rebounder--has nose for ball. Remember--prior to his JR year--he was considered a top 15 recruit in '08 class and missed year due to injury/academics--so his drop wasn't based on poor performance--it was based on not being in eye of "Gurus".
This is best frontcourt class in country by FAR. Braswell might be the best rebounder in the III era, Monroe is going to be best shot blocker in III era--and best passing/most skilled big, and Sims might end up the best player if he stays 4 years--he's got that type of skill/talent and potential. There isn't one thing Henry can't do on the court--and he's only 17 years old. He's a superior shooter to Greg, he is 6'11, he can pass, block shots, rebound, and is much more mobile then people give him credit for. If were to get into McDonald's All American game, I think he would shock some fans/gurus as to how skilled/talented he truly is.
Throw in Jason Clark--and this is best rebounding class Hoyas have had since Mourning/Turner/Mutombo group.
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Post by JS on Feb 7, 2008 13:47:15 GMT -5
Here's an interview with Greg Monroe in advance of his appearance at the Prime Time Shootout in Trenton this weekend. tinyurl.com/39zsvzJS
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Post by IDenj on Feb 7, 2008 19:22:00 GMT -5
rdf i too love the class that will be coming in this fall. they are versatile, skilled and seem to have good heads on their shoulders. with hollis and possibly another 5 getting on board, the only direction i would like to see them go in that class is
1. 4 star shooting gaurd 2. dante taylor
if neither come to fruition, save it for '10. we seem to be keen on the local talent. hope thay continue to develop.
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Post by prhoya on Feb 7, 2008 19:25:19 GMT -5
In regards to the questions about Braswell, don't worry about his offensive game--on the blocks he's most polished of the frontcourt recruits in terms of post moves/footwork. He's got a great drop step/up and under move and is far more talented then some give him credit for. He's just an outstanding rebounder--has nose for ball. Remember--prior to his JR year--he was considered a top 15 recruit in '08 class and missed year due to injury/academics--so his drop wasn't based on poor performance--it was based on not being in eye of "Gurus". This is best frontcourt class in country by FAR. Braswell might be the best rebounder in the III era, Monroe is going to be best shot blocker in III era--and best passing/most skilled big, and Sims might end up the best player if he stays 4 years--he's got that type of skill/talent and potential. There isn't one thing Henry can't do on the court--and he's only 17 years old. He's a superior shooter to Greg, he is 6'11, he can pass, block shots, rebound, and is much more mobile then people give him credit for. If were to get into McDonald's All American game, I think he would shock some fans/gurus as to how skilled/talented he truly is. Wow, great class! I hope you're right about Braswell. From the updates, it doesn't sound as if he's dominating.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 7, 2008 19:34:24 GMT -5
The trouble with stats for a player on Hargrave is that the team is loaded, they have almost no close games and there's almost always a talent gap. Hargrave puts 10 guys a year into D-1 programs.
When Macklin played there, they had Mack (GU), Armon Bassett (Indiana), Tyler Smith (Tennessee), Stephan Welsh (Arkansas), Mareese Speights (Florida) and Jonathon Mandeldove (UConn).
Plus SEVEN more D-I players at schools like Ohio and Fordham.
So Braswell shares minutes and shots; most of the shots are fast break buckets by guards and in very few games is there really room for low post play or to repeatedly go to a guy.
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Post by balla on Feb 7, 2008 19:48:04 GMT -5
Balla, I see your positional point. Here's my counter-argument: I think Dante Taylor is really, really good. I also think that we need skill differentiation, and I don't know how good of an offensive bull Braswell is going to be. Sims and Monroe -- who may be gone -- are more finesse players on offense. I don't really want to see us run a Princeton like Princeton does -- with no real low post play. We may have that next year, and I think we'll need exceptional play from our perimeter guys to make up for it. Fair point. Taylor is a good player and a good kid. But it is not about Taylor or any other PF(numbers game). GU has an arsenal of talented multi-skilled PFs. RDF is correct about Braswell. I am not a fan of Braswell's work ethic(or lack of), but he is more talented than Taylor and Braswell is already signed. Another PF is only needed if Braswell does not qualify. None of the 3 PFs(Taylor, Pumalee, Jennings) on GU radar in 09 are better than they players already coming in 08. So over-recruiting the same position would be a waste of only 2(maybe 3) schollies for 09. GU has Hollis and needs a center(Riley). Monroe is a 2-3 year college player and Sims is a 3-4 year college player. So GU does not need to worry about filling that spot for 09. If Summers goes pro after his Jr season(big if right now), that will free up one more spot for a wing. I am banking on Hollis getting a lot stronger and athletic, so he can play both 2-3. So if GU has an extra schollie, either take Mcdonald, Armwood, Vinson, or save that schollie for 2010. The local talent (DC/MD/VA) for 2010 is as good as anywhere in the country.
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Post by Jack on Feb 7, 2008 19:51:07 GMT -5
Hollis Thompson had 21 points to lead Loyola to at least a share of the Conference Title for the 7th time in last 8 years. In regards to the questions about Braswell, don't worry about his offensive game--on the blocks he's most polished of the frontcourt recruits in terms of post moves/footwork. He's got a great drop step/up and under move and is far more talented then some give him credit for. He's just an outstanding rebounder--has nose for ball. Remember--prior to his JR year--he was considered a top 15 recruit in '08 class and missed year due to injury/academics--so his drop wasn't based on poor performance--it was based on not being in eye of "Gurus". This is best frontcourt class in country by FAR. Braswell might be the best rebounder in the III era, Monroe is going to be best shot blocker in III era--and best passing/most skilled big, and Sims might end up the best player if he stays 4 years--he's got that type of skill/talent and potential. There isn't one thing Henry can't do on the court--and he's only 17 years old. He's a superior shooter to Greg, he is 6'11, he can pass, block shots, rebound, and is much more mobile then people give him credit for. If were to get into McDonald's All American game, I think he would shock some fans/gurus as to how skilled/talented he truly is. Throw in Jason Clark--and this is best rebounding class Hoyas have had since Mourning/Turner/Mutombo group. I don't mean this to be a total wise-ass, but how can you say these things with such confidence? Don't you live in Minnesota? When have you ever seen these kids play? I understand (and appreciate) that you and a few others follow the recruiting stuff much more closely than I do, but I am curious about what you are basing your opinions on (strongly held as they typically are).
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Post by balla on Feb 7, 2008 19:52:49 GMT -5
Here's an interview with Greg Monroe in advance of his appearance at the Prime Time Shootout in Trenton this weekend. tinyurl.com/39zsvzJS Nice find. Did Monroe already play Lance Stephenson's team?
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Post by prhoya on Feb 7, 2008 19:55:13 GMT -5
What happened to Gus Gilchrist? Where is he now?
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Post by balla on Feb 7, 2008 19:58:44 GMT -5
What happened to Gus Gilchrist? Where is he now? Turtle. He has to sit out until 2nd semester next year and will have 2 1/2 years of eligibility remaining.
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Post by RBHoya on Feb 7, 2008 20:40:49 GMT -5
This is best frontcourt class in country by FAR. Swopshire/Bolding + Jennings + Samuels Not sure that UL's class is necessarily better, but I definitely don't think ours is better "by FAR", especially when you consider that Samardo will probably be ranked ahead of Monroe next time rankings come out (this is just speculation by me based on their matchup and the reports on Monroe lately), and Jennings is more highly-regarded than either Braswell or Sims (though I think Sims is underrated right now). Maybe I'm nitpicking, but I think there's another class in the conference that will definitely be more impactful next year and which is probably on par with ours overall. Re: "Bangers"... I think our play this year has left a lot of us hungry for one. Is Braswell it, or close enough? I don't know, but like SF I am worried about not having a low-post presence and I think we may end up demanding a ton out of our perimeter guys. We're not going to be especially diversified, and so on nights when we are cold, it could be hard times. I don't know if Braswell is enough to counterbalance that, but if he isn't we could be waiting a while since we aren't necessarily making that a priority in '09 either (with Hollis on board, Riley atop the list [and he isn't a post threat for now], and possibly no more 'ships for that class). My ideal player is someone like UConn's Jeff Adrian, maybe plus 2 or 3 inches. Somebody who just gets after it, posts up, rebounds and just motors all the time. Also, somebody a little fiesty, somebody who doesn't shy away from contact and who doesn't back down from anyone. Is Dante Taylor from NCA that type of player? I'm not sure. It sounds more like him than any of our other recruits I think, but, I don't think too many Hoya fans have been out to see him, so it's tough to say. If Dante is a guy with some post up skills who also likes to spend a lot of time on the perimeter and playing face up, and is a decent but not exceptional rebounder, I think we should pass on him. Because that's pretty much the vibe I get on Braswell (though I haven't seen him either). But if it's not Taylor I still hope we can find somebody like that.
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Post by hoyaLS05 on Feb 7, 2008 20:49:28 GMT -5
Jeff Adrien (14 pts, 9 boards) plus 2 or 3 inches (bringing him to 6-10) would be the best player in the country. I think that would be everyone's ideal player.
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