royski
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Jeff!
Nov 29, 2007 15:44:24 GMT -5
Post by royski on Nov 29, 2007 15:44:24 GMT -5
I can see your point there. Pomeroy's stats adjust for relative strength of conference though, and he did have the Big 12 as 6th, last among major conferences. And I agree that the Big 12 is probably consistently the worst major conference. They really only had 3 teams that could be called good last year in Kansas, A&M and Texas while we had us, Louisville, Pitt, Notre Dame, Villanova and West Virginia.
However, I do think that the Big 12 plays good defense if rather horrific offense. I think that there are plenty of issues with Durant's preparation for the league. He had a terrible coach who didn't run an offense and managed to turn the runaway national POY and his pretty stellar PG into an embarrassing 2nd round elimination. But Durant did play against good defenses. He might not have learned how to exploit them, but he did play them.
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balla
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Jeff!
Nov 29, 2007 15:49:52 GMT -5
Post by balla on Nov 29, 2007 15:49:52 GMT -5
Try not to get caught up in stats.
Durant is a lot like Melo when he came into the league, good scorer but not a good player. Melo is still a better scorer than James or Wade, but he is not a better player...
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royski
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Jeff!
Nov 29, 2007 15:58:46 GMT -5
Post by royski on Nov 29, 2007 15:58:46 GMT -5
I've always perceived Melo as better than Durant. The kid did win a national championship. However, now we're getting off topic, this is a thread about Jeff. I'm happy to take it to PM though if you want to continue the discussion.
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balla
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Jeff!
Nov 29, 2007 16:02:00 GMT -5
Post by balla on Nov 29, 2007 16:02:00 GMT -5
I've always perceived Melo as better than Durant. The kid did win a national championship. However, now we're getting off topic, this is a thread about Jeff. I'm happy to take it to PM though if you want to continue the discussion. No thanks. Just watch more Sonics games and see what Jeff is doing as opposed to what Durant is doing.
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royski
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Jeff!
Nov 29, 2007 16:05:18 GMT -5
Post by royski on Nov 29, 2007 16:05:18 GMT -5
I watch every sonics game thats on national TV including NBATV. I've adopted them as my NBA team after growing disinterested with the league around 2004, since Jeff Green was my 2nd favorite college player behind Roy and Durant was my favorite player who wasn't a Hoya. Jeff is older, more physically developed, stronger, has a higher basketball IQ at this point, is a better rebounder and is far more efficient. I just don't think that's a product of Big East defense vs. Big 12 defense. I think it comes from conditioning and coaching. But to each his own.
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balla
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Jeff!
Nov 29, 2007 16:06:09 GMT -5
Post by balla on Nov 29, 2007 16:06:09 GMT -5
True, but there are a lot of factors.
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bmartin
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Jeff!
Nov 29, 2007 19:24:12 GMT -5
Post by bmartin on Nov 29, 2007 19:24:12 GMT -5
Look at Texas' 2007 game-by-game page at KenPom: kenpom.com/expsked.php?y=2007&c=OE&team=TexasTheir 4 worst offensive efficiency performances were all out of conference games: LSU, Michigan State, Villanova, USC. I don't think you will find any Big East team with no conference game among its 4 lowest offensive efficiency performances.
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RDF
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Jeff!
Nov 30, 2007 3:14:04 GMT -5
Post by RDF on Nov 30, 2007 3:14:04 GMT -5
Look at Texas' 2007 game-by-game page at KenPom: kenpom.com/expsked.php?y=2007&c=OE&team=TexasTheir 4 worst offensive efficiency performances were all out of conference games: LSU, Michigan State, Villanova, USC. I don't think you will find any Big East team with no conference game among its 4 lowest offensive efficiency performances. Exactly--and if you watched USC-Texas--it wasn't bad coaching by Barnes--it was a case of Durant being checked by physical defense--up in his chest--the type of defense you see more often in Big East from superior talent on teams. That is my point--which you agreed with--but didn't--all I know--if Big XII stands in way of Hoyas to get a National Title--I LOVE their chances. (See Cuse's run to title in New Orleans as my ideal blueprint.
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DanMcQ
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Jeff!
Nov 30, 2007 17:10:37 GMT -5
Post by DanMcQ on Nov 30, 2007 17:10:37 GMT -5
Is there any other kind of coaching by Barnes?
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Filo
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Jeff!
Dec 7, 2007 10:10:24 GMT -5
Post by Filo on Dec 7, 2007 10:10:24 GMT -5
Update...
JG only got 15 minutes in the Sonic's win over the Clippers on Wednesday night.
Apparently, David Thorpe at ESPN.com is ranking the rookies each week. You need to subscribe to insider to see it -- he had Jeff at number 10 this week. Durant was ranked 2nd by the way.
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Eurostar
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Jeff!
Dec 7, 2007 10:48:11 GMT -5
Post by Eurostar on Dec 7, 2007 10:48:11 GMT -5
Yeah Collison is back now and had a huge game. Wilcox only got like 15min too or something.
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balla
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Jeff!
Dec 7, 2007 13:29:56 GMT -5
Post by balla on Dec 7, 2007 13:29:56 GMT -5
Jeffs minutes fluctuate depending on how Wally is playing. Wally and Collison actually had good games the other day, so Jeff's time was limited. The Sonics are showcasing Wally, so they can trade him before Feb. They will probably trade Kurt Thomas also. He has a lot of Value to a contender.
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balla
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Jeff!
Dec 9, 2007 21:11:11 GMT -5
Post by balla on Dec 9, 2007 21:11:11 GMT -5
Jeff is having one of those 'welcome to the NBA rookie' games against the Hornets. Early fouls, stepped on the baseline turnovers, and got schooled by Melvin Ely(LOL). But he had a good 4th qtr. PJ ran some ISO plays for him, and he got going. His minutes have been cut down a lot since they are showing Wally right now, and playing Jeff mainly at the 4 spot.
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Jeff!
Dec 10, 2007 15:08:33 GMT -5
Post by JohnnyTwoTimes on Dec 10, 2007 15:08:33 GMT -5
On the subject of Jeff, if any New York-area Hoyas want to catch the Sonics game against the Knicks this Wednesday, I have two tickets I can't use and will sell for face. PM me if interested.
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Jeff!
Dec 10, 2007 15:59:11 GMT -5
Post by AustinHoya03 on Dec 10, 2007 15:59:11 GMT -5
Is there any other kind of coaching by Barnes? Hate to hijack further, but this year's Texas squad will be good precisely because the Longhorns have a PG that makes better decisions on the floor than Barnes makes on the bench. Back on track: Jeff's final stat line against NO: 6 points on 2-5 shooting from the floor, 2-2 FT, 3 boards, 3 TOs, 1 block, and 3 PFs in 12 minutes. That's an action-packed 12 minutes on the floor! Seattle plays at Chicago tomorrow night -- the game is being nationally televised on WGN.
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Jeff!
Dec 11, 2007 21:54:19 GMT -5
Post by strummer8526 on Dec 11, 2007 21:54:19 GMT -5
If I were Jeff sitting on the bench watching these Sonics play the Bulls, I'd be looking into getting a nice pocket TV so I could watch Georgetown play the BE season. I'm sure he misses watching any semblance of real basketball.
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757hoyafan
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Jeff!
Dec 11, 2007 22:00:05 GMT -5
Post by 757hoyafan on Dec 11, 2007 22:00:05 GMT -5
nice move by Jeff!
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vcjack
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Jeff!
Dec 11, 2007 22:02:12 GMT -5
Post by vcjack on Dec 11, 2007 22:02:12 GMT -5
While its good for the Bulls to finally beat up on someone, its sad that it is at Jeff's expense. Man the Sonics are a bad team
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Jeff!
Dec 11, 2007 22:08:49 GMT -5
Post by strummer8526 on Dec 11, 2007 22:08:49 GMT -5
Good God, Jeff can't even pick up a tailor made assist. The team has got their 3 or 4 bringing the ball up court, he makes a baseline move, dishes it to a wide open Wally (I think)...who does nothing with it. Unless Jeff figures out a way to hit a 20 point shot, I don't think he'll be hitting game-winners for this team a whole lot.
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mit0313
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Jeff!
Dec 11, 2007 22:18:35 GMT -5
Post by mit0313 on Dec 11, 2007 22:18:35 GMT -5
This team has point guards who are pure garbage
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