RDF
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Jeff!
Dec 12, 2007 0:05:11 GMT -5
Post by RDF on Dec 12, 2007 0:05:11 GMT -5
After watching tonight's game, I'd list the Sonics as:
Pros---Durant, Jeff, Kurt Thomas, and Wilcox
Disgusting Gunners--Wilkins
Trash--Watson and Wally
Manure--Gebale and Collison-who can't catch, finish, elevate, or play the game of basketball.
Rest of Team--who knows--they don't get to play significant minutes due to the "presence" of crap like Watson, Wally, Collison, etc......
If I had a dollar for every play that Nick Collison proves he's not worthy of being in the NBA--I'd make Bill Gates look poor.
Earl Watson is terrible. Damian Wilkins is painfully awful. Gebale is not an NBA player.
Wally can't dribble--or defend, or do anything--he's wasting space.
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balla
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Jeff!
Dec 12, 2007 0:12:38 GMT -5
Post by balla on Dec 12, 2007 0:12:38 GMT -5
I actually like Collison. He can't finish with his left on that side of the basket for some reason. But he plays hard. Jeff gave him some sweet assist, but he blew one.
You are 1000% correct about the rest of that team. They have Gebale trying to play PG(LOL).
They have to play Wally a lot right now, to build his trade value for Feb.
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RBHoya
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Jeff!
Dec 12, 2007 1:06:23 GMT -5
Post by RBHoya on Dec 12, 2007 1:06:23 GMT -5
I actually think Collison is decent too, from the games I've seen. Maybe you just caught him on a bad night RDF.
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kghoya
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Jeff!
Dec 12, 2007 10:53:54 GMT -5
Post by kghoya on Dec 12, 2007 10:53:54 GMT -5
the sonics arent fun to watch
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HoNYaSaxa
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Jeff!
Dec 12, 2007 10:58:20 GMT -5
Post by HoNYaSaxa on Dec 12, 2007 10:58:20 GMT -5
I have to agree that Collison is a good player in that he plays hard, smart, and stays on the glass -- but can't finish with his left.
You also left out Ridnour and Delonte West, both of whom I think are respectable, but not long-term options at PG. Watson is absolute garbage, though.
The team should trade Wally for an expiring contract in February...
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idhoya
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Jeff!
Dec 12, 2007 11:27:20 GMT -5
Post by idhoya on Dec 12, 2007 11:27:20 GMT -5
I like what Reds brings to them with his size, savvy and ability to hit the open jumper.
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Jeff!
Dec 12, 2007 11:43:17 GMT -5
Post by capcenterhoya on Dec 12, 2007 11:43:17 GMT -5
I have NBA League Pass so I've seen a fair amount of Jeff's games, but he is really in a funk right now. He just has not developed the confidence yet to display his many skills. For instance, on cuts to the basket he is oftentimes very hesistant, which is surprising considering his hands and athleticism. I think he's still figuring his game out. Eventually, he can be a dual threat inside/outside type player, but right now he really is neither. He has good post-up skills, but is not yet very adept at establishing position down low. His shot has also been inconsistent so he's been passing up some good open looks that we saw him make at G'town.
Why the Sonics do not keep him at the high post and run cutters to display Jeff's passing ability is beyond me. I saw them do this twice last night and he made two gorgeous passes to Gelly, who of course blew a wide open layup the first time. Jeff just needs to be given more of a green light to be a playmaker out there like he was at GU. You can see how frustrated he is right now watching how terrible the Sonics ballhandlers are
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RDF
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Jeff!
Dec 12, 2007 11:58:06 GMT -5
Post by RDF on Dec 12, 2007 11:58:06 GMT -5
I like Delonte West too--forgot he was on the team due to the fact I was cringing watching the rest of that CRAPPY load of dung.
I'd like to think a lottery pick would know how to finish from the leftside of the basket. I mean DUNK THE BLEEPIN' BALL!!! He goes up soft, he and Kirk Hinrich of the Bulls were overhyped in college, are overhyped now, and I'd trade them for a pair of new shoes. Agree to disagree with those who like him--but that is what makes the world such a great place. ;D
As for Wally--it's the same thing with this guy--he's NEVER worked on improving his handle--all you have to do is make him put it on the floor-and it's a turnover 3 out of 4 times--with other being a missed shot.
I know Sonics might be "Showcasing" their vets--but the only guy I'd trade for that is someone they could get some value in return is Kurt Thomas. They have a few other good players--mentioned by most above-but I'd keep them.
Damian Wilkins performances show why he went undrafted, should've NEVER been allowed to participate in the sport of basketball, and basically he and JR Smith of Nuggests are guys who deserve to be on And1 Mix Tape Tour as "Baby G" and "Crazy Earl".
As for Earl Watson--it's like watching a chicken with it's head cut off when he has the ball--only the chicken makes better decisions.
PJ Carlesimo is starting to dress like Mike Brey--and that's never meant as a compliment.
If I could have that 2 and half hours back from watching Sonics play last night--I'd gladly take it-but seeing a guy like Green wander around, not get the ball where he can help his team, and have to try and position for some stupid shot from a non-talent, loser clown player--is painful. It just shows you that being a top 5 pick doesn't even guarantee quality minutes--Jeff should be playing alongside Durant and let both learn to play together--instead you get to see guys who are vets and can't shoot, pass, dribble, or finish from the leftside of the hoop play.
NBA--where amazing happens or if you follow the Sonics--GARBAGE REIGNS.
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Jeff!
Dec 12, 2007 12:17:26 GMT -5
Post by capcenterhoya on Dec 12, 2007 12:17:26 GMT -5
RDF,
Hilarious post. My thoughts exactly. Even Durant has no semblance of how to make anyone around him better. If I'm PJ, I play Jeff at point forward and tell the other players to set screens, make cuts and just shoot open shots. At least they do have some guys who can do that (Wally, West, Thomas, Durant). They just do not really have guys that can create their own shot against decent defense other than Wilcox and sometimes Durant. As a Green fan, its painful to watch
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Dhall
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Jeff!
Dec 12, 2007 12:41:23 GMT -5
Post by Dhall on Dec 12, 2007 12:41:23 GMT -5
Jeff was a good passer in college, but it's not like he averaged 8 assists per game and neither he nor the recipients of his passes were generally being defended by NBA players. He's not good enough to be a primary ballhandler in the NBA - I think he really only put the ball on the floor his last season or maybe two at Gtown. He needs to get stronger but I always thought his best skills were within 10 feet of the basket - he is very crafty and smart in there and can regularly beat other NBA players there once he gets a little more bulk. The passing and outside shooting will be nice compliments, but that's not where he will make his name given the quality of other people who do those things (on teams other than the Sonics!).
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joey0403p
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Jeff!
Dec 12, 2007 17:36:57 GMT -5
Post by joey0403p on Dec 12, 2007 17:36:57 GMT -5
That bulls game was PAINFUL. Jeff looks depressed. The team is aweful - no one passes, cuts, screens etc. Not sure what offence they are running - while i don't think they should have jeff bringing the ball up the court i do think they should use him like sacremento used to use chris webber. It seems like Jeff's skills miror webber's, esspecially in the high post.
They should also be playing durant and jeff at the same time - to atleast get them comfortable together. I wonder if PJ is just packing this season in so that he can get another lottery pick, perferably a point or a center. IMO
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royski
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Jeff!
Dec 12, 2007 18:09:18 GMT -5
Post by royski on Dec 12, 2007 18:09:18 GMT -5
Seattle plays the Knicks tonight, which will be on MSG for NY-area Hoya fans.
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HoNYaSaxa
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Jeff!
Dec 12, 2007 18:16:11 GMT -5
Post by HoNYaSaxa on Dec 12, 2007 18:16:11 GMT -5
Right about now (and particularly knowing that he's playing on a miserable -- at least for the time being -- NBA team), I'm missing Jeff.
We would be an UNBELIEVABLY good college basketball team, indisputably number one in the country.
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Jeff!
Dec 12, 2007 18:25:15 GMT -5
Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 12, 2007 18:25:15 GMT -5
If we had jeff we'd be the first undefeated team since indiana mark it down. the title would be in the bag.
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HoNYaSaxa
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Jeff!
Dec 12, 2007 18:30:12 GMT -5
Post by HoNYaSaxa on Dec 12, 2007 18:30:12 GMT -5
If we had jeff we'd be the first undefeated team since indiana mark it down. the title would be in the bag. Agreed. No conference game would scare me. Memphis wouldn't scare me. UCLA would give us a good run in the national title game -- that's it.
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vcjack
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Jeff!
Dec 12, 2007 18:37:33 GMT -5
Post by vcjack on Dec 12, 2007 18:37:33 GMT -5
Exactly, we would win all of our games by 30+, some by forfeit of the other team being too scared to play. Everyone would get a double double every night and we wouldn't even need to practice. In fact after we would win our title by 50, every single player, including Jansen, would be projected lotto picks but only the seniors would leave which would leave us greatly prepared to defend our title for the next decade or so...
This is real life, happens and unless I'm mistaken we in real life are still undefeated and still have title aspirations. I don't need to fantasize of what this year could have been, but for what it already is
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kghoya
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Jeff!
Dec 12, 2007 18:58:49 GMT -5
Post by kghoya on Dec 12, 2007 18:58:49 GMT -5
If we had jeff we'd be the first undefeated team since indiana mark it down. the title would be in the bag. georgetown isnt exactly the first team to be hurt by a guy leaving early or not even coming at all (hs to nba)...
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Jeff!
Dec 12, 2007 19:02:09 GMT -5
Post by strummer8526 on Dec 12, 2007 19:02:09 GMT -5
Exactly, we would win all of our games by 30+, some by forfeit of the other team being too scared to play. Everyone would get a double double every night and we wouldn't even need to practice. In fact after we would win our title by 50, every single player, including Jansen, would be projected lotto picks but only the seniors would leave which would leave us greatly prepared to defend our title for the next decade or so... This is real life, Edited happens and unless I'm mistaken we in real life are still undefeated and still have title aspirations. I don't need to fantasize of what this year could have been, but for what it already is Are you being serious? I can't tell.
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idhoya
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Jeff!
Dec 12, 2007 19:40:22 GMT -5
Post by idhoya on Dec 12, 2007 19:40:22 GMT -5
Wait it gets better. They play the Knicks tonight. Slick Watts and Bernard King it ain't.
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vcjack
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Jeff!
Dec 12, 2007 21:09:29 GMT -5
Post by vcjack on Dec 12, 2007 21:09:29 GMT -5
Exactly, we would win all of our games by 30+, some by forfeit of the other team being too scared to play. Everyone would get a double double every night and we wouldn't even need to practice. In fact after we would win our title by 50, every single player, including Jansen, would be projected lotto picks but only the seniors would leave which would leave us greatly prepared to defend our title for the next decade or so... This is real life, Edited happens and unless I'm mistaken we in real life are still undefeated and still have title aspirations. I don't need to fantasize of what this year could have been, but for what it already is Are you being serious? I can't tell. I learned how to be a subtle sports commentator from these great local legends video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-747162648492345018
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