mrsixer123
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Post by mrsixer123 on Jul 31, 2007 7:35:26 GMT -5
Too bad those structured practices did not carry over to the games. When jt3 is your coach, you are not going to improve your bball iq via jay wright[/quote] I can't speak to Jay Wright's coaching ability. I do know his 'Nova teams -- with apparently inferior talent -- have given the Hoyas fits lately. Yes, he was the team's head coach, but he wasn't the only coach working with the players. Are your comments, by extension, an indictment of his assistants, too? As an aside, any way you can pull AI's coat? He's on record as believing that practice ain't that important.[/quote] Inferior talent? Where do u get that from? No, all blame goes to jay. Did you watch the games? There was no structure at all on O. The team looked as if it was playing in a and 1 tourny
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Post by prhoya on Jul 31, 2007 9:39:28 GMT -5
There was no structure because he had Scottie doing his best Scottie Show. The Uruguayans and the Canaleros were not impressed and ate him alive.
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Post by mrsixer123 on Jul 31, 2007 10:41:51 GMT -5
There was no structure because he had Scottie doing his best Scottie Show. The Uruguayans and the Canaleros were not impressed and ate him alive. Thanks 4 making my point!!! He let his player run around like a chicken with no head jacking up shot after and did nothing about it while we lost game after game. The asst coaches had nothing to do with that. Our staff was not happy with how things were handled
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Post by bubbrubbhoya on Jul 31, 2007 10:55:29 GMT -5
There was no structure because he had Scottie doing his best Scottie Show. The Uruguayans and the Canaleros were not impressed and ate him alive. Thanks 4 making my point!!! He let his player run around like a chicken with no head jacking up shot after and did nothing about it while we lost game after game. The asst coaches had nothing to do with that. Our staff was not happy with how things were handled No need to pretend you're text-messaging. Unless you're using a Motorola Q, you've got a full keyboard in front of you. For your information, "4" is spelled "four," but I think in this situation, you want to use "for."
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Post by kchoya on Jul 31, 2007 14:28:53 GMT -5
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jul 31, 2007 14:46:21 GMT -5
Since I am not an insider, I could not see the rest of the article. But the sentence or two I did read told me just what we know. Gottlieb, using the royal "we," said "we stink." That is the pink elephant that we all knew, whenever Dougie spoke.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 31, 2007 14:52:00 GMT -5
A surprisingly good article from Gottlieb, but it fails in that he doesn't pick his team for any of the levels.
I agree that the lack of familiarity with each other is one huge factor. As is the lack of familiarity with the international game and rules.
I would also add ridiculous expectations. These are mostly single elimination tournaments or close to it. Even if you believe USA is the best team, think about the odds on the best team for the NCAA tourney or something similar. It's always below 50% -- the international teams are good and we're simply not that much better than them that we can expect to always win Gold. Play more and I bet it becomes apparent that we're the best team. But the best team can always lose.
Lastly, I would add that we're not sending our best. We may in 2008. But our Olympics loss in 2004 was forseeable. Basically everyone on the Dream Team was a perennial all-star. Most of our loser teams have had significant players turn down going (Shaq, Garnett, Duncan, etc.). Same with college teams going to the Pan Am Games and such.
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Post by sleepy on Jul 31, 2007 14:53:40 GMT -5
There was no structure because he had Scottie doing his best Scottie Show. The Uruguayans and the Canaleros were not impressed and ate him alive. Thanks 4 making my point!!! He let his player run around like a chicken with no head jacking up shot after and did nothing about it while we lost game after game. The asst coaches had nothing to do with that. Our staff was not happy with how things were handled who's staff?
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Post by prhoya on Jul 31, 2007 15:29:40 GMT -5
Gottlieb: "I'm not special" You can say that again!
With respect to the two-week argument that keeps coming up, it was addressed above. Gottdweeb adds the BE example. Let me say again that other international teams have the same problem. It's not like the PR team is together during league breaks preparing for unidentified international tournaments. That's a luxury that is not available today with so many players playing all over the world. There is no national team, period. It's just regular try-outs offered to those players that are invited and then a selection of 12 players goes to represent.
Maybe the difference is that players like Shaq, Duncan, etc... turn down the USA Basketball's invitations, while other international stars feel that representing your country time and time again is the highest honor.
To each, his own... and the gold to the best team.
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Post by kchoya on Jul 31, 2007 15:57:24 GMT -5
Since I am not an insider, I could not see the rest of the article. But the sentence or two I did read told me just what we know. Gottlieb, using the royal "we," said "we stink." That is the pink elephant that we all knew, whenever Dougie spoke. It's comes up as part of the free preview when I read it.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 31, 2007 16:35:02 GMT -5
PR, let's not be completely disingenuous here. The Puerto Rican team had three starters (age 22, 25 and 30) return from their 2006 FIBA World Championships team, and, I expect, from before.
The US team had never played a real game together. There's a HUGE difference there from competing on the same team at the highest level to coming from a bunch of college programs, having five practices, then going at it. If these guys had ever played together, it was in AAU ball in High School.
The US was hardly a great team, but it may be telling that our two losses were the first two games. (I think we would have likely lost to 5-0 Brazil, also returning 3 starters). We finished "fifth" behind 2-3 Argentina (4) who we beat, Uruguay (2-3, 3rd place) who beat us day one, but was 1-1 versus 2-3 Argentina, and 3-2 Puerto Rico, who beat... Argentina, VI and Canada (combined 4 wins).
I'd like to see the team have some continuity -- even a short exhibition schedule before the games that count.
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Post by mrsixer123 on Jul 31, 2007 16:52:41 GMT -5
Thanks 4 making my point!!! He let his player run around like a chicken with no head jacking up shot after and did nothing about it while we lost game after game. The asst coaches had nothing to do with that. Our staff was not happy with how things were handled No need to pretend you're text-messaging. Unless you're using a Motorola Q, you've got a full keyboard in front of you. For your information, "4" is spelled "four," but I think in this situation, you want to use "for." Just when u think all the EDITED is gone, u wipe again only to find bubbrubbhoya still hanging around begging 4 attention
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Post by prhoya on Jul 31, 2007 17:07:35 GMT -5
SF, there's no denying that there's a specific pool of talented players when PR is 100 by 35 miles and, most likely, some of these players know or have played together. (Compare that to the seemingly endless talent found in the US.) There's so much you can milk.
If that is your argument, then I suggest the US have a specific pool of players a la US Soccer.
That in no way is the same as saying that the PR players play regularly. That does not happen. It's a luxury. BTW, it's always a problem getting player to try-outs and one of the main criticisms/complaints after not winning gold in international tournaments.
By the way, we won the silver medal.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 31, 2007 17:34:38 GMT -5
SF, there's no denying that there's a specific pool of talented players when PR is 100 by 35 miles and, most likely, some of these players know or have played together. (Compare that to the seemingly endless talent found in the US.) There's so much you can milk. If that is your argument, then I suggest the US have a specific pool of players a la US Soccer. That in no way is the same as saying that the PR players play regularly. That does not happen. It's a luxury. BTW, it's always a problem getting player to try-outs and one of the main criticisms/complaints after not winning gold in international tournaments. By the way, we won the silver medal. I would definitely go to a smaller pool of players that didn't change constantly. And despite your "silver" your wins were no more or less impressive than "5th Place" U.S.'s. You got into the medal round by beating Canada and the Virgin Islands (two worst teams in the tourney) and got to the Finals by beating Argentina (who the US also beat).
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Post by prhoya on Jul 31, 2007 18:02:28 GMT -5
Argentina didn't need the US win. What you're saying is like saying a college team doesn't deserve the final four because it had an easier draw. Or, that the regular season BE champ had an easier schedule than the third-place BE team and that the first one really doesn't deserve it. You play the cards you're dealt. Anyway, we beat our competition and won silver. The US did not and took 5th place(!!). At the end of the day, we had a better tournament and won silver.
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Post by bubbrubbhoya on Jul 31, 2007 18:32:56 GMT -5
No need to pretend you're text-messaging. Unless you're using a Motorola Q, you've got a full keyboard in front of you. For your information, "4" is spelled "four," but I think in this situation, you want to use "for." Just when u think all the EDITED is gone, u wipe again only to find bubbrubbhoya still hanging around begging 4 attention Oh...I was wondering how I got pink eye. Now I know. Thanks mrs.ixer! I hope you all appreciate my self defecating humor.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 31, 2007 18:34:54 GMT -5
Argentina didn't need the US win. What you're saying is like saying a college team doesn't deserve the final four because it had an easier draw. Or, that the regular season BE champ had an easier schedule than the third-place BE team and that the first one really doesn't deserve it. You play the cards you're dealt. Anyway, we beat our competition and won silver. The US did not and took 5th place(!!). At the end of the day, we had a better tournament and won silver. It's hardly comparable. Anyway, my point was more that the US had never played a game with any of their players playing together -- it's not a coincidence that we went 0-2 then 3-0.
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Post by Locker on Jul 31, 2007 19:11:28 GMT -5
Our staff was not happy with how things were handled Should we invest this insider info with more or less credibility than your early summer scoop that Roy wouldn't be playing in the Pan Am Games?
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Post by mrsixer123 on Jul 31, 2007 20:17:17 GMT -5
Our staff was not happy with how things were handled Should we invest this insider info with more or less credibility than your early summer scoop that Roy wouldn't be playing in the Pan Am Games? I said he should not play in the pan am games and i was correct as usual. The stats and results speak for themselves.
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Post by WilsonBlvdHoya on Aug 1, 2007 7:38:30 GMT -5
sixer and bubbrub, Take it off-line and keep it civil! Otherwise, you know the penalties.....
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