Pan Games: USA v. Panama today (modified)

[prhoya]

ESPN Deportes just announced that the game will be shown live.

[StPetersburgHoya (Inactive)]

Let's take back the canal.

ON EDIT: OUR canal.

[DudeSlade]

I just saw that we lost our opening game at the Pan Am Games. They said it was Uruguay, though, not Panama. Maybe the coverage I saw was wrong, because it was certainly pithy. All it said was that we lost and that DJ White and Marty Leunen led the team with 14 points each. That's so not good! Where was Roy? And how in the world are those guys leading Team USA in scoring? Uggghh. I hope Roy dominates the next few games.

[Locker]

Looks like Roy had foul trouble. According to the box score (http://www.rio2007.org.br/data/pages/8CA3C78313B9BA880113BA4FA8146937.htm), he started but played only 14 minutes, and had 5 fouls. Had 9 points on 4 of 5 shooting.

Scottie Reynolds' stats were UG-LY. He went 1 for 9 from three and had 9 turnovers. As a group, the U.S. team shot 3 for 21 from behind the arc.

[jackdog74]

Well, if you did not know before, it is crystal clear now -- Jay Wright's "strategy" is to keep shooting threes until they win. And, over-rely on your guy. What a joke.

[prhoya]

dudeslade said:

I just saw that we lost our opening game at the Pan Am Games. They said it was Uruguay, though, not Panama. Maybe the coverage I saw was wrong, because it was certainly pithy.

Today's game is against Panama; yesterday's was against Uruguay.

[DrumsGoBang]

No!!! We must play Uruguay again, because if we give up now then the enemy wins!!! We must keep playing until they are all dead.....or tired and don't want to play anymore.

[hoyastrong]

Big surprise. Ultra-talented U.S. players collectively fall apart in international play. We should just stop bothering with this pointless nonsense, its getting embarrassing anyway.

[MCIGuy]

Actually its not all that strong of a group. I was saying to myself the other day how lacking in star power and top-tier NBA prospects this group is (only Hibbert and Ellington, barely, are considered to be lotter prospects). Then consider that none of the players have any international expereince and that they are young college players (except for Dorsey) playing older men. Even worse the other teams have players who have played with each other for years while the USA team has only been together for less than two weeks and the final 12 players chosen for the team have only practiced for about a week. Its aburd.

That being said Roy has to stay out of foul trouble if the team has any chance of winning.

[HoyaFanNY]

this team is not ultra talented. far from it actually. good guards win games in international play and this team has a bunch of chuckers. the high number of quality early entry players into the nba really hurt this team.

[prhoya]

It's not over yet. Don't jump ship.

[Dhall]

I didn't see the game, so maybe I'm out of line, but Roy should be embarrassed. Everyone has been talking about him as the difference-maker and his statistics were pathetic. Uruguay has to be one of the worst teams in the field (along with Virgin Islands and the US I guess).

[Filo]

You didn't see the game. And there is not much written about it. So you I would bet you don't have any idea as to how the fouls occurred, whether the game was called real tight, whether Roy was jobbed, what kind of effort he put in, whether he received any support from his teammates, etc. etc. But you say that Roy should be embarrassed, nonetheless. Way to support a fellow Hoya in his first experience in international ball. Love it.

[kchoya]

dhall said:

I didn't see the game, so maybe I'm out of line, but Roy should be embarrassed. Everyone has been talking about him as the difference-maker and his statistics were pathetic. Uruguay has to be one of the worst teams in the field (along with Virgin Islands and the US I guess).

Other than 5 fouls in 14 minutes, I don't think there's a lot to be "embarassed" about. He seems to have done fine when he was in there.

[prhoya]

dhall said:

I didn't see the game, so maybe I'm out of line, but Roy should be embarrassed. Everyone has been talking about him as the difference-maker and his statistics were pathetic. Uruguay has to be one of the worst teams in the field (along with Virgin Islands and the US I guess).

Two things:

1. I didn't see the Uruguay game, but will watch tonight's game. It might not be Roy's problem. It could be Wright's. What kind of game plan does he have? We all know he hasn't had the luxury of a player like Roy and employs a guard-oriented perimeter-shooting game. Roy might just be there for rebounds and putbacks. Fouls come cheaply this way in international play. Wright might be the problem. We'll see after tonight.

2. You're wrong about the VI. Their front court is the tournament's surprise so far. They're extremely athletic and fast. They've come a long way and only lost by five against the host Brazil.

P.S. PR just beat VI by five and move on to the second round.

[williambraskyiii]

Roy had 9 pts in 14 minutes. He shot 80% from the field. That is pretty darn good. It would seem that he just needs to rein in the aggressiveness (i didn't see the fouls), but otherwise he was very efficient offensively. If I am Jay Wright I am thinking he needs to get Roy the rock early and often in the paint.

[RDF]

williambraskyiii said:

Roy had 9 pts in 14 minutes. He shot 80% from the field. That is pretty darn good. It would seem that he just needs to rein in the aggressiveness (i didn't see the fouls), but otherwise he was very efficient offensively. If I am Jay Wright I am thinking he needs to get Roy the rock early and often in the paint.

Roy's going to have trouble as long as the "shooters" shoot 3-21 from the 3pt line. And this just adds to the fact Scottie Reynolds does nothing to help a team if he can't hit a shot--he's NOT a PG or a guy who can create for other people. Against men--his shaky ball handling comes into play. He's sloppy with the ball and often gets bailed out when stripped in BE play. He'll be better this year with Corey Fisher doing the point guard's work and he can spot up and gun.

[hoyaboy1]

dhall said:

I didn't see the game, so maybe I'm out of line, but Roy should be embarrassed. Everyone has been talking about him as the difference-maker and his statistics were pathetic. Uruguay has to be one of the worst teams in the field (along with Virgin Islands and the US I guess).

I'd have thought that after the Sapp defense comment, you wouldn't be looking to take another beating.

[RDF]

BTW, in International Play--traditional post players often struggle--it's more of a guard/perimeter game and they just sag on bigs--hell Roy's output was more impressive then any of the games I watched Tim Duncan mail in during the Olympics--where he not only was ineffective, but he was uninterested. At least Roy did something--but in general--this is a learning experience, because he can't get into foul trouble for any team he plays on to accomplish their goals--be it Pan Am team or Hoyas.

[Dhall]

filo said:

You didn't see the game. And there is not much written about it. So you I would bet you don't have any idea as to how the fouls occurred, whether the game was called real tight, whether Roy was jobbed, what kind of effort he put in, whether he received any support from his teammates, etc. etc. But you say that Roy should be embarrassed, nonetheless. Way to support a fellow Hoya in his first experience in international ball. Love it.

You live in a fantasy world if you think Roy Hibbert gets or needs support from this silly message board. The fact is that he is supposed to be "the man" and he fouled out. If the game is being called tight, then he needs to adjust. You can't do much good for your team if you are limited to 14 minutes. I love Roy and think he is a fantastic player as evidenced by his numbers in 14 minutes. But if he can't control his fouls, his Pan Am and Hoyas teams will suffer as a result. The great centers find a way to stay in the game. Period.