Hoya06
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Post by Hoya06 on Jul 16, 2007 9:02:32 GMT -5
I was wondering what everyone thought about Jay Wright coaching Roy in the coming weeks at the Pan Am games. I have a lot of respect for Coach Wright and think Roy will benefit from his instruction, but will Wright/'Nova benefit from this "inside information" as well??
Just a thought..
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Post by FairfaxHoya on Jul 16, 2007 9:03:43 GMT -5
I was wondering what everyone thought about Jay Wright coaching Roy in the coming weeks at the Pan Am games. I have a lot of respect for Coach Wright and think Roy will benefit from his instruction, but will Wright/'Nova benefit from this "inside information" as well?? Just a thought.. I'm more concerned that working with Wright will set big Roy back in his development. No drifting back behind the three-point line, big fella! |
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Jack
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Post by Jack on Jul 16, 2007 9:12:41 GMT -5
Wright's team did as well as anyone in neutralizing Big Roy this past season, as I recall. Hopefully Hibbert learns something from playing for Wright that helps him to deal with his defensive tactics in 2008.
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jul 16, 2007 9:18:24 GMT -5
Wright's team did as well as anyone in neutralizing Big Roy this past season, as I recall. Hopefully Hibbert learns something from playing for Wright that helps him to deal with his defensive tactics in 2008. I think Wright will yell at Roy to be more aggressive in getting position. That's what Wright exploited this year with admittedly mixed (1-2) results. But if he can just get Roy really establishing himself with authority, we'll be better off. |
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 16, 2007 9:26:41 GMT -5
Playing with a different group of very talented teammates, and for a coach with a different way of doing things can be quite valuable for players who are students of the game. A new perspective. Some additional ideas. A few new tricks. And.. probably... reinforcing some of the things he already hears from his own coaching staff. Hearing those things again from a new staff will sometimes make a deeper impression.
Many on this board don't like Wright, but he has been very effective at Nova... and before. Where was he? Hofstra? The guy knows what he's doing. I think this will only benefit Roy's game.
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Post by uptownathlete on Jul 16, 2007 9:33:34 GMT -5
I think it's a positive thing. From what I've read, Wright has gotten on Roy a few times about being more assertive in the post. That should help..
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 16, 2007 10:10:43 GMT -5
Given that Wright has been able to stymie Roy more often than not I think Roy has more to learn than Jay...
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Post by FairfaxHoya on Jul 16, 2007 10:53:32 GMT -5
Wright's team did as well as anyone in neutralizing Big Roy this past season, as I recall. Hopefully Hibbert learns something from playing for Wright that helps him to deal with his defensive tactics in 2008. Yeah, stop letting guys the size of Nardi and Reynolds push him out of the post. |
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Jul 16, 2007 11:35:16 GMT -5
Wright doesn't know how to teach someone over 6'9".
Also, once the season comes around, Roy will get back to him for all the yelling.
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KHoyaNYC
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Jul 16, 2007 11:51:46 GMT -5
Uh, there was no Big East team that did a better job on Roy all season that Villanova. I think he had 2 points (and 0 FG attempts), 4 points, and 14 points in the 3 meetings the teams had last year. We may have won 2 out of 3, but they shut Hibbert down completely in 2 of them and he was by no means dominant in the third.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Jul 16, 2007 11:56:07 GMT -5
And you don't think Roy will remember that next season? It's payback for him.
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KHoyaNYC
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Jul 16, 2007 12:00:57 GMT -5
oh I def think he will remember. just pointing out that despite the 1-2 record, nova had its way with roy in 2 out of 3 games.
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AvantGuardHoya
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Jul 16, 2007 12:24:53 GMT -5
The circumstance of a college coach heading up a team which includes regular season opponents’ players will obviously come up whenever a national team is put together. Not sure who gets the edge, but I wouldn’t worry about it too much. Hard to see how ‘Nova could do much better vs. Roy. As others have pointed out, they took him out of the game quite well last season.
As to Wright not knowing how to teach someone over 6’9”, I can’t speak to that. I do know his teams have given us fits since he’s been there. Also, in ’05 we won the World University Games with him as head coach. Seems like he’s capable of doing something w-r-i-g-h-t…. (and I’m sure somebody on the staff has responsibility for the big men).
BTW, lost in the shuffle is the fact that one of the Team USA assistant coaches is Mark Gottfried, ‘Bama’s head man. He’ll certainly get some insights he can use as far as Roy’s concerned. Unlike Wright, he won’t have the benefit of several games vs. Roy when GU plays them this fall, so this month should be real instructive to him.
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 16, 2007 12:50:01 GMT -5
The circumstance of a college coach heading up a team which includes regular season opponents’ players will obviously come up whenever a national team is put together. Not sure who gets the edge, but I wouldn’t worry about it too much. Hard to see how ‘Nova could do much better vs. Roy. As others have pointed out, they took him out of the game quite well last season. As to Wright not knowing how to teach someone over 6’9”, I can’t speak to that. I do know his teams have given us fits since he’s been there. Also, in ’05 we won the World University Games with him as head coach. Seems like he’s capable of doing something w-r-i-g-h-t…. (and I’m sure somebody on the staff has responsibility for the big men). BTW, lost in the shuffle is the fact that one of the Team USA assistant coaches is Mark Gottfried, ‘Bama’s head man. He’ll certainly get some insights he can use as far as Roy’s concerned. Unlike Wright, he won’t have the benefit of several games vs. Roy when GU plays them this fall, so this month should be real instructive to him. Agreed. Good post. As for the "no one over 6'9" quote, Back in the day, Pops had so much success with guys like Pat, Zo and Deke (and many others), critics would say he was only a "big man" coach and didn't know how to coach guards. What's next? JT3 only knows how to coach kids who can pass? |
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jul 16, 2007 13:37:22 GMT -5
Wright is a good coach and playing for him will be good for Roy...
...as long as Roy doesn't pick up any fashion "advice" from Wright.
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Post by DudeSlade on Jul 16, 2007 15:44:53 GMT -5
From all the reports, it sounds like the staff at the trials are really pushing Roy to play inside and just camp in the post. This could really benefit him at the next level, where that's exactly what will be expected of him. Many say he's almost automatic inside, but that he still gets bumped around some. This should really give him something to work on (inside presence, strength, post moves, etc.) during the rest of the offseason and improve on any holes that the NBA scouts will be looking for.
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Post by SDHoya on Jul 16, 2007 16:22:25 GMT -5
Wright's team did as well as anyone in neutralizing Big Roy this past season, as I recall. Hopefully Hibbert learns something from playing for Wright that helps him to deal with his defensive tactics in 2008. I think Wright will yell at Roy to be more aggressive in getting position. That's what Wright exploited this year with admittedly mixed (1-2) results. But if he can just get Roy really establishing himself with authority, we'll be better off. Mixed results?! Nova did not have a fraction of the talent that we had last season (excepting Reynolds) and yet gave us three of the best, most competitive tests of the season. Nova would not have been within single digits of us any of those three games if not for the excellent interior defense they played. While none of those games were pretty, I think that the heart attack I almost had in Philly a few months ago was testament to the fact that Wright had a bit more than "mixed results" with his system. |
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Post by sleepy on Jul 16, 2007 16:51:51 GMT -5
I think you maybe forgetting the third game was a blow-out until the last 5-6 minutes. We were up by 16ish the 90% of the game and they only closed within sigle digits with less than a minute left.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Jul 16, 2007 17:21:58 GMT -5
I think you maybe forgetting the third game was a blow-out until the last 5-6 minutes. We were up by 16ish the 90% of the game and they only closed within sigle digits with less than a minute left. Yes, I'm getting old, but I have a somewhat different recollection of the 'Nova BET game. We did blow them out in the first half, but thank goodness we did, 'cause they outscored us a lot in the second half.... by double digits if I'm not mistaken. I remember feeling a little antsy as the second half wound down. |
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Post by sleepy on Jul 16, 2007 17:42:23 GMT -5
No, i agree that we were outplayed in the second half, but it was more of a up and down thing. We were up by a lot at half-time, then they cut it to about 15-16 in the beginning of the second half, then we went up by a lot again, then they cut it, then we stayed up by about 15-13 until 3 minutes or so were left. Thats the reason i wouldn't call it one of our most competitive games of the season. And it wasn't really the interior defense that hurt us in the third game, it was the teams turnovers and unwillingness to take risks because they didn't want to give away they game. You could see how tentative they were playing and they even said themselves they were just playing for the game to end so they wouldn't lose.
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