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Post by strummer8526 on Jul 13, 2007 11:30:05 GMT -5
Totally agree with everything, Dajuan. I'm not personally aware of the "embarrassing" aspects, but that may just be something I don't know. Otherwise, I completely agree that promoting school spirit and fan participation is a positive that Hoya Blue provides, and it's something that campus needs. There are still some definite problems with how much they actually DO and whether their roles warrant some of the special treatment that they at least seem they get. I would agree that it shouldn't.
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Post by TBird41 on Jul 13, 2007 11:30:19 GMT -5
Or the phrase "Whole 'nother level"? I know. Hoyatalk has really jumped the shark. Seriously. Why, back in the good old days, a Hoya Blue thread would be at 10 pages by now. |
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Post by TBird41 on Jul 13, 2007 11:43:01 GMT -5
BTW--I suggest people check out www.hoyablue.net The site is impressive--they even have the minutes from their meetings up! |
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Post by dajuan on Jul 13, 2007 11:45:24 GMT -5
BTW--I suggest people check out www.hoyablue.net The site is impressive--they even have the minutes from their meetings up! Oooh. A big Lacrosse game this Sunday! Sweet! What round of the tournament are we in now? |
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Post by hoyastrong on Jul 13, 2007 12:33:05 GMT -5
bubbrub, you need to A)loosen up, B)carefully re-read my post and C)get your facts right... All joining HB involves is simply entering your netID on their website to put yourself on their e-mail list and add you name to the roster, so any freshman who wants to can do it. You don't have to go to a single meeting. Also, HB only reserves about 4 or 5 seats on each side for the officers who have to come early, and as someone who is not an officer, I can tell you that I have frequently enjoyed front row seats, and I have been to very few meetings. That being said, perhaps my first statement was a little too blunt, so allow me to clarify. I was suggesting that HB members be NOTIFIED first, since they are the ones who care enough about this info to be on the list in the first place. My main reasoning for all this is that, while I'm not too worried about the AD coming up with enough tickets, they can't change the amount of seats behind the baskets, so surely they will just be releasing more crap like those upper deck nosebleed sections. I agree that releasing tix to HB memebers first would not be right, and this is not what I was arguing. If they did this, everyone would just join HB and it would defeat the purpose. HB is comprised of the students who care most about getting info ASAP, and so this is exactly what should be done. If HB members want to tell their non-HB friends, thats fine, but I know plenty of people who wouldn't find out early and frankly wouldn't care to find out early because they would be just fine with the upper deck seats. So why not let the information flow sort out the people who care enough to find the info rather than just wait until a university-wide e-mail gets sent out. As a young alumnus, basketball fan and non-member of Hoya Blue, I disagree with your statement that members of Hoya Blue care more than non-members. In my time at the University I did not sign up for Hoya Blue. This was not because I was too lazy to do so and not because I didn't have the time to attend meetings or plan events. It was because I did not want to be associated with the organization or many of its practices, which I felt were self-involved, often embarrassing, and unfair to student basketball fans that were not involved. I agree that Hoya Blue does good things for the basketball team and promotes school spirit, but I disagree with any preference given to anyone in Hoya Blue on the basis of their membership or rank within the organization. I understand your position on this, and perhps this is why other memeber of the board are having trouble understanding this. That was THEN, and as of right now, I really dont think HB carries that stigma that it used to. They are very good about being open to whoever would like to participate and don't pressure anyone into being in the little clique (which I for one am not a part of much at all) that I know sometimes turns a lot of people off. No offense, really I understand where some of you are coming from, but perhps these are matters best understood by a current student. |
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Post by mikeylikesit on Jul 13, 2007 14:21:08 GMT -5
as long as i've got a fair shot at getting season tickets, i'm sure i will get them, i'm more dedicated than most at this school so i'm not particularly worried for myself. however, i still don't think i agree with the "everyone deserves an equal chance" attitude. if you've had season tickets in the past, i think you deserve a better opportunity to retain them in the future... i know that it works this way at some other schools, and i like their approach (again, i'm sure the demand will increase a great deal this year after the final four). I wouldn't worry too much about it. Most schools that have that system in place have a smaller arena and a much bigger student body. Luckily, we have a big arena (that usually does not sell out) and well as a relatively small student body. The AD wants every student to go to every game, and rest assured they are working on a system that will allow this. Therefore, the fair playing field is really a good approach. as someone else in this thread mentioned, i'm not worried about getting a seat at verizon. obviously the arena is huge. i'm just talking about the somewhat limited space in the student sections behind each basket. i wouldn't even consider spending a season in those 400-level nosebleed student sections. again, i'm sure i will be fine, but many of my friends (who are not as "die-hard" as me, i guess you could say, but still attend every game and support the team fully) have been voicing concerns. the fact remains that, in my time here, we have gone from a half-full single student section, to the increase to 2 sections, to last year's mis-management and the need to place past season ticket holders in the 400s. there's every reason to believe we'll see another surge of interest after a final four year. IMO, it would be really sad if 3-year season ticket holder seniors were forced to sit in the nosebleeds while a bunch of freshmen took their spots. i think past supporters should at least be somewhat rewarded (perhaps notified beforehand, or something like that). i'm sure some people will disagree with me, that's ok, a little conversation between HB and non-HB students can't hurt though. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 13, 2007 14:40:20 GMT -5
Are there separate tickets for the regular and 400-level student sections? Or is it first come, first served?
It would be nice to get those corner sections away from Verizon, but other than that, what else can you do?
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Post by bubbrubbhoya on Jul 13, 2007 15:19:42 GMT -5
I wouldn't worry too much about it. Most schools that have that system in place have a smaller arena and a much bigger student body. Luckily, we have a big arena (that usually does not sell out) and well as a relatively small student body. The AD wants every student to go to every game, and rest assured they are working on a system that will allow this. Therefore, the fair playing field is really a good approach. as someone else in this thread mentioned, i'm not worried about getting a seat at verizon. obviously the arena is huge. i'm just talking about the somewhat limited space in the student sections behind each basket. i wouldn't even consider spending a season in those 400-level nosebleed student sections. again, i'm sure i will be fine, but many of my friends (who are not as "die-hard" as me, i guess you could say, but still attend every game and support the team fully) have been voicing concerns. the fact remains that, in my time here, we have gone from a half-full single student section, to the increase to 2 sections, to last year's mis-management and the need to place past season ticket holders in the 400s. there's every reason to believe we'll see another surge of interest after a final four year. IMO, it would be really sad if 3-year season ticket holder seniors were forced to sit in the nosebleeds while a bunch of freshmen took their spots. i think past supporters should at least be somewhat rewarded (perhaps notified beforehand, or something like that). i'm sure some people will disagree with me, that's ok, a little conversation between HB and non-HB students can't hurt though. This is maddening. Do you realize the hypocrisy of these statements? Diehard fans, just to give you a refresher in the meaning of the term "diehard," are the people who are willing to sit through a game in the 400 level. The fan who "wouldn't even consider spending a season in those 400-level nosebleed student sections" is a self important, entitled fan...the exact opposite of a diehard. Might the diehard fan in the 400s also be a disappointed fan? Yes, but because he's a diehard, he deals and goes to the games anyway. A lot of us who had sat at MCI through the 13-15 campaign were bummed to be sitting at the end of the student section in JTIII's first year, but we realized that if we wanted to be seated closer, we'd need to get to games a bit earlier (or, again, 2 hours earlier for the best seats). By creating some nebulous "diehard fan" category, you are getting away from what should be the real goal, to which both LizziebethHoya and SFHoya rightly allude. The only truly equitable way of distributing seats is by giving any student who wants one a general admission ticket, which is good for both upper and lower level student seats. If you show up early, you get lower level. If you show up late, you get upper level. Prove that you're diehard each time and show up early, or better yet, prove that you're diehard by sitting in the upper level if you're late. All HB should concern itself with, then, is making sure that there are enough seats/tickets for all students who want them. Making those seats general student admission should take care of the rest. Thanks a lot for this gracious opportunity to create "a little conversation between HB and non-HB students." (The poster before who claims that HB currently carries no stigma and that young alumni, even those one year out of school, have no clue as to what the current opinion on HB is, might want to take a look at this quotation to see why that stigma won't be going away anytime soon.) |
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Post by mikeylikesit on Jul 13, 2007 15:46:15 GMT -5
i only said i wouldn't consider sitting in the 400s because it is easy enough to get a better seat than that in verizon. i guess i presented that poorly, of course i'd still attend the games. all i meant was that if by some chance i didn't get the behind-the-basket season tickets, there's no way in hell i would be paying the school for 400s when i could get better seats pretty easily (hell, i could probably just find a student section ticket for most games just by asking some of the fairweather fans that buy these tickets and don't attend). this doesn't change the fact that i still think the current system is really messed up. everyone gets a "fair chance" to buy tickets in the student section, yet some of these people just lap up these season tickets and don't attend half the games. so people who want to go to all the games but weren't able to get these season tickets are screwed.
if we are going to just keep this system and tweak it, i don't think it would be unreasonable to let your long-standing season ticket holders get first dibs. sure, it's not foolproof, but it's probably better to reward the people you know have been supporting the program for the last couple of years rather than do something like HB did last year, where it was much easier to hear about/reserve/buy season tickets as a freshman due to all of the on-campus orientation type stuff. there's a better chance that you're going to alienate your existing fanbase and attract fair-weather fans who attend half the games if you go about it that way.
on the other hand, i would be the first supporter of your proposed change, to give each student who wants one a GA ticket and base the seating on who gets there first. that would really be the fairest way to separate the men from the boys. then, there'd be no problem with students having to sit in the 400s while the student sections are only 3/4 full.
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Post by mikeylikesit on Jul 13, 2007 15:48:44 GMT -5
Are there separate tickets for the regular and 400-level student sections? Or is it first come, first served? It would be nice to get those corner sections away from Verizon, but other than that, what else can you do? they were separate last year, which is absolutely ridiculous. |
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Post by TBird41 on Jul 13, 2007 15:50:33 GMT -5
i only said i wouldn't consider sitting in the 400s because it is easy enough to get a better seat than that in verizon. i guess i presented that poorly, of course i'd still attend the games. all i meant was that if by some chance i didn't get the behind-the-basket season tickets, there's no way in hell i would be paying the school for 400s when i could get better seats pretty easily (hell, i could probably just find a student section ticket for most games just by asking some of the fairweather fans that buy these tickets and don't attend). this doesn't change the fact that i still think the current system is really messed up. everyone gets a "fair chance" to buy tickets in the student section, yet some of these people just lap up these season tickets and don't attend half the games. so people who want to go to all the games but weren't able to get these season tickets are screwed. if we are going to just keep this system and tweak it, i don't think it would be unreasonable to let your long-standing season ticket holders get first dibs. sure, it's not foolproof, but it's probably better to reward the people you know have been supporting the program for the last couple of years rather than do something like HB did last year, where it was much easier to hear about/reserve/buy season tickets as a freshman due to all of the on-campus orientation type stuff. there's a better chance that you're going to alienate your existing fanbase and attract fair-weather fans who attend half the games if you go about it that way. on the other hand, i would be the first supporter of your proposed change, to give each student who wants one a GA ticket and base the seating on who gets there first. that would really be the fairest way to separate the men from the boys. then, there'd be no problem with students having to sit in the 400s while the student sections are only 3/4 full. I think there is a little confusion as to who sets the ticket policy--Hoya Blue does NOT decide who gets first dibs at tickets, the Athletic Dept. does. It was the Ticket Office's decision to continue marketing to freshman first and then worry about upperclassmen last year, not Hoya Blue's. So any of these proposals would have to be decided on by the Athletic Department. |
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Post by mikeylikesit on Jul 13, 2007 15:54:20 GMT -5
ok, i wasn't sure, in my first post i said "i guess this is addressed to hoya blue". does hoya blue have any extra sway in the athletic department's decisions?
if not, i apologize. i think we should get one of the athletic department people to start posting here then.
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Post by hoyastrong on Jul 13, 2007 16:21:52 GMT -5
The general admission tickets might be a valid change to make, but the biggest problem would be verizon center trying to control the amounts of stuents in each section, particularly behind the baskets. Since no one really sits down and no seats are assigned, how are you going to stop people from forcing their way in rather than having to sit in the upper deck (certainly what I would try to do if I couldn't get there early).
Not to mention the fact that there is such a vast difference bewteen the 2 sections it wouldnt be right to charge the same amount, but maybe that is the only way to do it, if they can work out a way to control the flow.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 13, 2007 16:28:37 GMT -5
So it seems to me there are several possible ticket issues:
Everyone has equal shot vs. Past ticket holders get priority
Tickets allow entery into either section vs. Seperate tickets for upper and lower seats.
Season tickets vs. Game by game tickets sold the week before.
Other questions:
any possiblity of more student seats in the lower bowl?
Or student seats in the 200 level vs. 400 level?
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Post by hoyastrong on Jul 13, 2007 16:35:52 GMT -5
So it seems to me there are several possible ticket issues: Everyone has equal shot vs. Past ticket holders get priority Tickets allow entery into either section vs. Seperate tickets for upper and lower seats. Season tickets vs. Game by game tickets sold the week before. Other questions: any possiblity of more student seats in the lower bowl? Or student seats in the 200 level vs. 400 level? I dont think either of those last two are possible, due to the regular season tickets already being sold by the AD to the general public (not that they would even wan to). And if I have to wait in a line for a ticket every week, I think I will kill myself, plus that wouldnt solve anything. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 13, 2007 17:06:36 GMT -5
It would weed out all the people who buy up season tickets who don't use all of them. It'd also mean the people most interested in going would be willing to go every week to get the tickets.
also it's still a possibility. we got more seats last year than we did the year before. so there's a chance it could happen again.
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Post by JimmyHoya on Jul 13, 2007 17:17:32 GMT -5
Game by game sales ain't so bad IMO.
It hasnt been mentioned yet, but before anyone even considers bringing it up as a suggestion--TAKE YOUR LOTTERY IDEAS AND SHOVE THEM.
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Post by hoyastrong on Jul 13, 2007 18:32:04 GMT -5
of course im sure the lottery suggestions would be unanimously shot down.
I dont think the game by game sales would really weed out anyone because no one decides not to go to a game a week in advance. perhaps it would weed out those who dont have time to wait in line for a couple of hours every week, so thats just as unfair as everyone else purports the HB suggestion to be (still my #1, im sticking to it).
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 13, 2007 19:09:30 GMT -5
i'm sure the weekly tickets would be a logistical nightmare. And i disagree with your asertment that no one decides not to go to a game a week in advance. People who have conflicts like a class they can't miss, work etc. no far in advance that they won't be able to make the game. When are people not deciding to go to games the night of and if they feel like it they go and if not they stay home and waste the ticket? cause those are exactly the type of people we want to weed out.
Basically this seems to be boiling down to people saying: "I want the system that will benifit me the most and provide me with the best chance to get good seats. Any other system sucks and is unfair."
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jul 13, 2007 19:50:47 GMT -5
"When are people not deciding to go to games the night of and if they feel like it they go and if not they stay home and waste the ticket? cause those are exactly the type of people we want to weed out." I think we'd like those people to go to the game, too, don't you think? In fact, in terms of wanting the most students there, the diehards should get screwed (they'll go anyways) and we should cater to those on the fence!  |
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