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Post by HoyaFanNY on Apr 3, 2017 13:50:57 GMT -5
welcome home big fella. time to go to work.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Apr 3, 2017 7:56:26 GMT -5
It's a fait accompli. The leaks are meant to seal the deal. After being turned down many times for head coaching jobs in the NBA you can't imagine Georgetown would deny him the opportunity at this point. That is no way to treat a Hoya legend. So now Big John has had three bites at the apple. His long time assistant, his son, and the man who he considers to be a son. Nearly 20 years removed from being the head coach of this team, JT Jr. still holds sway over the program. I think the Thompson sycophants can have their day now. You may see a small bump in ticket sales the first year. Then after three years of mediocre basketball we will face the same reality. The game has changed and Georgetown Basketball has failed to change with it. I don't know if Pat is a master tactician or not. I have a hard time seeing his 55 year old 7 foot frame flying all over the country on United trying to close the deal with recruits. For me the big slap in the face is the way they ran this search. This is a bait and switch for supporters of the program. They knew all along this would be Patrick's job. Just like last time they knew the job would go to JTIII. I am going to save a lot of time and money over the next three years not going to Georgetown games, not giving to the Hoya Hoops Club and not checking this damn board. I'll be back in 2021 when a new head coach is named and the administration finally breaks Big John's strangle hold on the program. After five years of not making the tournament I think it may finally be time for bold leadership. Sorry it had to end this way. see ya. don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Apr 3, 2017 5:04:34 GMT -5
I wasn't for Pat initially but the way the search has gone, he seems to me the best candidate available now. So I would go with it and let the chips fall where they may. Get him on board quickly so as not to waste a recruiting year. i agree 100%. getting tremont back on board is a major test for Patrick right away. Let's hope he can pull off a miracle.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 31, 2017 13:48:24 GMT -5
When I first heard JTIII was gone, I heard Amaker was the replacement and I was good with it. Guy can recruit. He is older and wiser now and has likely learned from his Seton Hall & Michigan failures. Belicheat got canned by Browns right? Coaches do reassess and improve and I think Amaker could do it. Amaker was 31 at Seton Hall. At Michigan he inherited penalties and a two year tourney ban. His Harvard teams have been consistently good. At 51, he likely is looking to find his final spot. I would be good with an Amaker hire and would be 100% onboard although I realize for some he could be viewed as a back up option. try the backup to the backup...to the backups backup
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 31, 2017 13:17:56 GMT -5
I mean, there have been rumors about Amaker being "it" for the last two weeks. So I take this with a grain of salt. If that's our result, our search will have been a failure because it means nobody else wants the job. exactly. he'd be what, the 5th or 6th choice? give me ewing over him.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 29, 2017 13:42:52 GMT -5
We have a winner. This is the best suggestion I have seen for a hire. Out of the box and bold as the JT2 hire. Tremendously high basketball IQ and played for and groomed by the best coach in basketball---who though enough of him to give him a player development assistant role on the Celtics. If he will be good enough in the years ahead and you have a patient program like Georgetown that is in rebuilding mode, why not get him now? I'm in. www.ridiculousupside.com/2016/4/15/11439298/long-island-nets-hit-home-run-with-ronald-nored-hireBased on everything I've read, if I could place a bet a future coaching star it would probably be him. Unfortunately, seems more likely he'll end up in the NBA ranks than college, but you never know. Edit to add some articles: Ronald Nored Brings Butler Way to High School TeamNored also has been insisting on the Butler Way, which drew such acclaim as the upstarts barnstormed through a couple of Marches. Accountability, academics, the right attitude. All which has made Stevens such a hot commodity. That, and the winning. ``In college, I got to see the best guy in the country do it every day,'' Nored said. ``All we did at Butler was talk about culture and building character. That's what we talk about here.'' So what happened when Brownsburg players didn't meet Nored's academic standards? Four missed a game, including two starters. What happened when a player had his third strike for behavior. Nored walked the young man to his parents and told them to take him home, he was no longer part of the program. ``Basketball has to end for everybody at some point,'' Nored said. ``Setting that precedent early is something I found very important, and something that is life-lasting. If we lose games because guys have to sit, that's how it is.'' Ronald Nored, key member of back-to-back Final Four Cinderella Butler teams, making his bones as coach of Nets’ D-League teamFew possess more vitality than Nored. Once a nettlesome guard under coach Brad Stevens at Butler, he is on his sixth coaching job since playing in back-to-back NCAA championship games and graduating with a degree in elementary education in 2012. Previous stops include leading former Butler teammate Gordon Hayward’s high school alma mater (Brownsburg (Ind.) High) and living in Stevens’ basement while serving on Stevens’ staff as a skills development assistant with the Boston Celtics. In addition, he spent four months as an assistant at South Alabama and one season as an assistant at Northern Kentucky University. Stevens likes to refer to Nored as “a true energy giver,” and Nored’s most recent assignment has called on him to bring The Butler Way to one-time rivals. In coaching former Indiana Hoosiers point guard Yogi Ferrell for 17 games earlier this season, Nored helped elevate Ferrell from the D-League to a 10-day contract with the Dallas Mavericks. Ferrell took it from there, earning a two-year, NBA league-minimum contract. Nored recalls collegial banter with Ferrell on the night that the Nets (14-24) visited the Fort Wayne (Ind.) Mad Ants. Earlier that day, No. 18 Butler upset No. 9 Indiana, 83-77. Catching up with Ronald Nored, the Homewood basketball star now working for Boston CelticsNored played at a school where the players attended class on the day of Butler's 2010 national championship game against Duke. The game was in Indianapolis, where Butler is located. Going to class that day "was a nice public gesture," Nored said. "I'll be honest: I was not very happy. I was in my hotel room, I went down to Coach Stevens' door, I'm standing in front of his door, and I want to knock and tell him, 'Coach, I can't wake up and go to class. Today is the national championship game. Please let me rest.' I got nervous, went to my dorm and went to class the next day. It was just like an autograph, picture session at class, but class was important to us." Butler lost the national championship game when Gordon Hayward barely missed a last-second heave at the buzzer. Butler captured the nation's attention so much that President Barack Obama called the team after the game despite the loss. "To this day, I want (the shot) to go in, but so many cool things have happened because it didn't go in," Nored said. "So many people have recognized things, in my opinion, that are more important than just winning a national championship." "I want to coach the rest of my life," he said. "The NBA is a path. College basketball intrigues me as well just because I know the game really well. I'm just kind of following opportunities right now. I'm very thankful to have the opportunity to go up to Boston. Who knows what opportunity comes at the end of the season?" i remember him as a player at Butler. not the most talented player but was a leader on that team. i'd much rather have a young energetic guy that eats, drinks and sleeps basketball than a retread looking for a place to pad his retirement.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 29, 2017 12:58:41 GMT -5
chuck as many 3's as you can and hope some go in. kenpom loves him I'm in. I'm sending an email to the hoop club now pledging 1 lb of sour patch kids a month to the program. if he's hired i have to get JT's seat courtside. that's a deal breaker.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 29, 2017 12:56:02 GMT -5
And what kind of offense does he run? What are his tempo numbers? chuck as many 3's as you can and hope some go in. kenpom loves him
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 29, 2017 12:55:11 GMT -5
my son is a very mature 9, is a wiz at nba 2k17 and he'd do it for $20 a week and an unlimited supply of sour patch kids. what do you think? But can he recruit? he does a hell of a job recruiting on my old PS3 college football games
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 29, 2017 12:52:08 GMT -5
my son is only 9 but is a wiz at nba 2k17 and he'd do it for $20 a week and an unlimited supply of sour patch kids. what do you think?
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 29, 2017 12:40:40 GMT -5
pitino is going to have a very good team next year. losses only one senior and his top 4 scorers are back. now would not be the best time for him to leave.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 28, 2017 15:53:31 GMT -5
and still nobody knows who he is unless they subscribe to kenpom. He has never landed a Top 100 recruit despite all that success. what is up w the compulsion around here to sell this myth that Ewing can't be a good recruiter? Because Ewing's never done it and Bennett's put guys in the NBA. dellavedova and patty mills. 2 guys in almost 20 years. quite the nba factory he has there. meanwhile, ewing has been actually coaching nba players.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 28, 2017 13:53:31 GMT -5
this makes zero sense to me. guy has been on the west coast his entire career. we need someone familiar with east coast recruiting, especially DMV. no way he can be a legit candidate. Like who, Patrick Ewing, who has never been involved in recruiting whatsoever? Also this would definitely open the doors to that vital Australian pipeline. St. Mary's fields 4 Australians currently. like anyone that hasn't been on the west coast the last 35 years.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 28, 2017 13:36:13 GMT -5
I hadn't been carefully considering him but I'm intrigued by the Randy Bennett rumors. Ten straight 20 win seasons. It's a big step up for him, but intriguing. this makes zero sense to me. guy has been on the west coast his entire career. we need someone familiar with east coast recruiting, especially DMV. no way he can be a legit candidate.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 27, 2017 14:08:35 GMT -5
As a respite from discussing guys who we probably don't have a real shot at landing (Smart, Brey, Cooley, Martin, etc.) I wanted to circle back on Jamion Christian. I enjoyed what he had to say about the program: Ron also had a writeup on him: georgetown.rivals.com/news/down-a-level-may-be-way-to-goIt's hard to make an empirical a case for Christian over, say, Danny Hurley. But I just have a gut feeling that this guy's going to be pretty good. He seems to have a strong respect for Georgetown and has modeled his style of play off of the 80s/90s Hoyas to some extent (Shaka, who he was an assistant under, did this as well). It's a style of play I really like, and that I'd like to see Georgetown go back to after several years of playing a less viewer-friendly style. I think it would appeal to recruits as well. Christian is young and hungry, and you know he'd grind hard on the recruiting trail. And given his youth and style of play, plus the fact that he's from Virginia originally and has been coaching in the area for a few years, I think it's a lock that he'd be able to connect with recruits better than, say, Mark Turgeon or Tony Bennett. It'd take him a little time to build his name value, but the ceiling is high. Again I recognize that it's a tough sell given his relative lack of experience, and I'm sure most fans weren't expecting a guy from a low-major when III was fired. Still, my gut tells me that while it may take a little longer he's got a pretty bright future and so I'd be happy if somehow he was the choice. I can certainly understand why we'd look other directions first, but if you told me that Tags and Reed met with him and they were blown away and so they went off the board with Christian, I think I'd actually feel pretty good about it. i am 100% on this bandwagon. young, energetic, knows the area, not a retread fired from another school and he understands today's style of play. please get.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 24, 2017 11:28:32 GMT -5
please no hurley or amaker. hurley hasn't done anything other than this 2 week run this year. of the candidates mentioned, amaker would possibly be the worst hire we could make IMO.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 23, 2017 13:55:55 GMT -5
this really is a sad day for me. i was not part of the pitchfork segment of the fan base demanding a change. i was really torn on firing III. i respect the decision but it better be an improvement and not some retread like amaker.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 23, 2017 13:31:09 GMT -5
I want to say thank you to many of the vocal members of this board. The groundswell of support for a change, pushed by many here, is what got us this potential chance to resurrect our beloved program. When most of our fans had tuned out over the past couple years, you guys, and you know who you are, dialed in. This would not have happened without the fan involvement. So, as a diehard Hoya fan, I thank you. It wasn't the "groundswell of support" that got JT3 fired. Both the President & AD were firmly behind keeping JT3. It was the Board seeing the downfall of "Georgetown basketball". Tremont Waters wanting his release & players possibly transferring was the final straw for the Board. The Board overruled the President & AD and fired JT3. so who is making the decision on the new coach? the board or the pres/AD?
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 23, 2017 13:26:30 GMT -5
Another option is Kelvin Sampson. He's had some NCAA violations in the past, but minor stuff relatively speaking, and he's seemed to keep things honorable at Houston. god no. he was a ncaa violation machine at oklahoma and indiana.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Mar 23, 2017 13:07:32 GMT -5
how anyone could support amaker is beyond me. that is a downgrade from what we had in thompson.
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