calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Jun 18, 2007 14:03:55 GMT -5
Although it won't help for next year, I think that Green's departure may be good for the program over time. Realistically, there was nothing more for Jeff to accomplish as a player at Georgetown. I think that this whole process (helping to advise Jeff, not pressuring the kid to stay, etc.) sends an important message to future recruits about JT III--he is concerned about the welfare of the player and will not attempt to hold back a kid who is ready for the NBA, just because it would benefit the Hoyas in the short term. Good for Jeff and good for JT III. Now please finish your academic education over the next few years so that you will be prepared for life after the NBA.
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nathanhm
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Post by nathanhm on Jun 18, 2007 14:07:18 GMT -5
I think one good thing about this is it forces some of our non seniors to step up because come next April Roy, Jon, Tyler, and Patrick will have played their last games as Hoyas, adding Jeff to that list would have certainly made JT3 rebuilding year that much tougher.
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Post by HoyaLingus on Jun 18, 2007 14:08:36 GMT -5
Agreed, it will be interesting to see if Vernon steps up at the 4 spot...
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Jun 18, 2007 14:21:44 GMT -5
Where's the link to his press conference? Did you read his quotes?
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Post by RDF on Jun 18, 2007 14:27:01 GMT -5
Interesting points you brought up. I'll add this--it doesn't hurt that Georgetown Coaching Staff took a player who was not even ranked (I don't believe rankings matter as much as talent but this if for future recrutiing talk) and he'll be a Lottery Pick and the so called best player in country or one of the top 5 in Josh McRoberts will be going behind Jeff--so when you are pitching to Greg Monroe about the player development, you have proof to back it up, considering both Green/McRoberts are similar players to Monroe--skilled big forwards who don't want to be stuck at one position. Not only did Hoyas develop Jeff, they've developed Roy, Wallace, etc...and player development along with winning is a great formula to sell to kids--throw in academics and it's a lot easier to recruit-especially after the negative recruiting tactics from other schools; "That system won't get you drafted...", "Nobody has gone to Final Four with that style...".
It's an attraction and you'll see kids mention Jeff Green as the "role" they want to play at GU. Same once Roy leaves, and we've already seen it from a kid like Wattad who mentioned how Wallace proved himself and best players play--not just best reps or highest ranked.
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mapei
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Post by mapei on Jun 18, 2007 14:29:27 GMT -5
Well, it also would have been good for the program if a player of Jeff's quality had said, "I love this school, this coach, and my teammates, and I'm going to get a degree and a championship." That is pretty much what Roy said, I guess.
It's by no means horrible for the program long-term that he's leaving. But I'm not sure it's truly better than if he were staying.
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Post by DudeSlade on Jun 18, 2007 14:29:30 GMT -5
Should be interesting to watch the development of Vernon and Dajuan this year, as they will have a greater opportunity to step up. Also should give Chris and Austin more of an opportunity to make an immediate impact shouldering some of the scoring load. Also might give Pat a shot at the NBA if he wins the starting spot, which I expect. And Roy should definitely become a monster in the middle, which will only shoot him up the draft boards next year.
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HarbinHoya
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Post by HarbinHoya on Jun 18, 2007 14:30:02 GMT -5
Do you think that going to the NBA is best for Jeff Green? I know that I dont.
I think Jeff will most likely be a minimal role player on a mediocre to bad NBA team next year. He will eventually develop into a solid NBA player, but I am talking about right now.
I think Jeff will go further back in the draft then he would have next year costing him some garaunteed money and if he falls below 10 then I would pretty much classify entering this year as a really bad decision.
I think that Jeff coming out in this hot class especially with Oden and Durant lowers his ability to get attention that helps in signing endorsement deals etc
Jeff will certainly take longer to get his degree and who knows once you enter the NBA it is hard to continue to go back and take classes to get that which I know he and his family wanted him to get.
and finally, he is giving up his best chance to have a college title, not only because of the team we have but because of who others are losing for next year.
So overall, I have accepted the fact that he is gone and wish him good luck, but that is not going to make me think its a good decision.
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mapei
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Post by mapei on Jun 18, 2007 14:31:34 GMT -5
I'm especially interested in Vernon. He was considered the prize recruit of his class but had trouble getting minutes.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Jun 18, 2007 14:32:49 GMT -5
this is now Dejuan's team. JMO
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Post by nathanhm on Jun 18, 2007 14:41:54 GMT -5
I think that Jeff coming out in this hot class especially with Oden and Durant lowers his ability to get attention that helps in signing endorsement deals etc Endorsement deals? I think your getting a little bit head of yourself. You have to be one of the best players in the world to get endorsement deals and have a marketable (love attention) personality. I'm not sure Jeff meets either of those qualifications.
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Post by dajuan on Jun 18, 2007 14:42:17 GMT -5
I feel like a contestant on Deal or No Deal after the million dollar case has been taken off the board and I just stand there, clapping my hands, nodding my head and shouting "That's okay! That's okay!".
I get it that it's conceivable that it could help in the long run, but in my heart of hearts I just don't buy it. (Does anyone know what a heart of hearts is?)
Anyway, I think one could argue just as strongly that it would mean a lot more for the program if we re-established the tradition of our star players graduating. We've drifted from that reputation, and I'd like to get back to it.
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Post by TBird41 on Jun 18, 2007 14:52:51 GMT -5
I think that Jeff coming out in this hot class especially with Oden and Durant lowers his ability to get attention that helps in signing endorsement deals etc Endorsement deals? I think your getting a little bit head of yourself. You have to be one of the best players in the world to get endorsement deals and have a marketable (love attention) personality. I'm not sure Jeff meets either of those qualifications. Sweetney got endorsement deals, including a shoe deal. Top rookies get deals--they may not be their own shoe, but they'll get something. Coming out in this draft makes it less likely Jeff would be the feature of the rookie class, whereas next year, I could have seen him and Roy signing w/ Nike and having a shoe they both endorsed.
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HarbinHoya
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Post by HarbinHoya on Jun 18, 2007 14:55:06 GMT -5
That was my point
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 18, 2007 14:56:25 GMT -5
99% of current shoe deals are...you get free shoes. Sweetney may have gotten a deal, but there isn't money in shoes deals unless you are a top, top player.
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Post by TBird41 on Jun 18, 2007 14:59:04 GMT -5
99% of current shoe deals are...you get free shoes. Sweetney may have gotten a deal, but there isn't money in shoes deals unless you are a top, top player. I seem to recall him being featured in TV/print ads...seems like the kind of thing you'd get paid for. Oh well.
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Post by aggypryd on Jun 18, 2007 15:00:57 GMT -5
Very good decision for Jeff and a good decision for JTIII to nudge him in the right direction.
I'm not a fan of Dean Smith, but I like the fact that he encouraged his players to leave when it was time for them to go.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jun 18, 2007 15:02:33 GMT -5
99% of current shoe deals are...you get free shoes. Sweetney may have gotten a deal, but there isn't money in shoes deals unless you are a top, top player. I seem to recall him being featured in TV/print ads...seems like the kind of thing you'd get paid for. Oh well. I'm sure he got paid, but just not that much. I'll try to find the article, but basically even all-star players with cameos in commercials were getting paid nothing except the visibility. Mid-level players don't sell shoes.
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Post by nathanhm on Jun 18, 2007 15:03:05 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, Sweetney was part of like 10 rookies who marketed a 1 shoe for a season and it seemed to me the only reason he got picked was because he was drafted by a huge market, because all of the other guys were more household names.
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Post by HoNYaSaxa on Jun 18, 2007 15:04:00 GMT -5
SF: In addition to the free shoes, even with small endorsement contracts, we're talking free gear, entree into events and circles that can open up other deals, etc. Plus, if you blossom as a player, your're already plugged into a company that can immediately accelerate your presence and compensation. See Tony Parker, for example, who actually signed with Nike as a rookie and has become one of their big names (though you can't discount the fact that his international status helps) and is featured with Kobe, Nash, Marion, etc. in new campaigns.
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