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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 31, 2007 19:34:45 GMT -5
For he WILL be back (if we keep saying it, it has to come true, doesn't it?) - I would love to see him take a few more of those 15-16 footers - he has shown an ability to hit that shot, and will force the defense to extend if he can make 1 or 2 a game.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 31, 2007 19:37:23 GMT -5
Next year will indeed be special to watch Big Roy.
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Post by aggypryd on Mar 31, 2007 19:37:53 GMT -5
He's gotta stop picking up cheap fouls...He needs one more year...
But he's preseason 1st team all-American.
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Post by the_way on Mar 31, 2007 19:38:42 GMT -5
For he WILL be back (if we keep saying it, it has to come true, doesn't it?) - I would love to see him take a few more of those 15-16 footers - he has shown an ability to hit that shot, and will force the defense to extend if he can make 1 or 2 a game. Put it like this, is there really any difference between Oden and Hibbert in terms of talent? I'd say no. Now, if Oden is supposed to be the #1 pick, you don't t hink Hibbert's draft stock has risen after this game? I want Hibbert to stay, but...who knows what may happen. |
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 31, 2007 19:44:18 GMT -5
He's gotta stop picking up cheap fouls...He needs one more year... But he's preseason 1st team all-American. His 2nd foul was ridiculous. The OSU player had already dribbled around him and Roy never even touched him. The fourth could be argued, but considering how much of a touch foul that was compared to Oden's obliteration of a clearly-set Jeff that somehow was called a block, it was clear Matta's consistent harping of the whistles did have an effect on the stripes in the 2nd half. But I agree with you Aggy. Roy puts himself in positions where he COULD be called for a cheap one way too often. Avoid those and stay on the floor longer, and he could be headed for a season for the ages next year. |
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Post by NRC900 on Mar 31, 2007 19:53:11 GMT -5
For he WILL be back (if we keep saying it, it has to come true, doesn't it?) - I would love to see him take a few more of those 15-16 footers - he has shown an ability to hit that shot, and will force the defense to extend if he can make 1 or 2 a game. Put it like this, is there really any difference between Oden and Hibbert in terms of talent? I'd say no. you really think this is true? i think roy works as hard or harder than any player i've literally ever seen play college bball, but in terms of pure talent he comes in way short of oden. i don't mean that as an insult to him - rather it is a testament to his effort and improvement because he at worst played oden to a draw today. oden is the #1 or #2 pick in the nba draft regardless of what year he comes out. hibbs could make top 5 if its a semi-down year and he keeps improving like he has every offseason so far. i mean none of this as anything against roy - he does as much as humanly possible with the talent he has, which is still considerable. he has made himself a true force, even when he was ridiculously raw when he came in. but in my opinion you can't say he has as much talent as oden. my hope is that he comes back after working as hard in the offseason as he has every year so far and just beasts the entire big east, which i think he would. |
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Post by the_way on Mar 31, 2007 19:59:13 GMT -5
Put it like this, is there really any difference between Oden and Hibbert in terms of talent? I'd say no. you really think this is true? i think roy works as hard or harder than any player i've literally ever seen play college bball, but in terms of pure talent he comes in way short of oden. i don't mean that as an insult to him - rather it is a testament to his effort and improvement because he at worst played oden to a draw today. oden is the #1 or #2 pick in the nba draft regardless of what year he comes out. hibbs could make top 5 if its a semi-down year and he keeps improving like he has every offseason so far. i mean none of this as anything against roy - he does as much as humanly possible with the talent he has, which is still considerable. he has made himself a true force, even when he was ridiculously raw when he came in. but in my opinion you can't say he has as much talent as oden. my hope is that he comes back after working as hard in the offseason as he has every year so far and just beasts the entire big east, which i think he would. I'm not talking about all of that and wanting him back. You are wishing for something all of us Hoya fans both want. But... Bottom line, is Oden so much better than Hibbert? He isn't. They are about the same, with Hibbert having more upside if you ask me. |
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Post by Filo on Mar 31, 2007 20:03:20 GMT -5
I think that Roy is very it as good as Oden right now but Oden has more upside.
During the post-game press conferencel, Roy said several times that he just has learn not to pick up the cheap fouls. Based on what he has said in the past, I would be very surprised if he leaves before he graduates.
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Post by NRC900 on Mar 31, 2007 20:03:21 GMT -5
I'm not talking about all of that and wanting him back. You are wishing for something all of us Hoya fans both want. But... Bottom line, is Oden so much better than Hibbert? He isn't. They are about the same, with Hibbert having more upside if you ask me. do i think oden is better than hibbert? no not at all, espcially now. do i think oden has more raw talent than hibbert? yes, for sure. that was my whole point. in terms of potential its really hard to say because hibbs works so hard, and it remains to be seen how hard oden will work. either way though, hibbs has been a great great player for us, and much better than i ever would've imagine his first year. he should be commended for that. and i hope he comes back next year and has improved again. |
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Post by HoyaAtHeart on Mar 31, 2007 20:03:56 GMT -5
/\ I do think that Roy should captitalize on this tournament and test the waters but...you are crazy to think Roy has more upside than Hibbert. In basketball....size and athleticism are two things you can't teach. You can teach a big man post moves and give him a 15 foot jumper and teach him how to time blocks and get in better position for rebounds. There is no big man in college basketball...actually...no other player period in college basketball that has a better "frame" for greatness than Greg Oden.
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Post by NRC900 on Mar 31, 2007 20:07:07 GMT -5
/\ I do think that Roy should captitalize on this tournament and test the waters but...you are crazy to think Roy has more upside than Hibbert. In basketball....size and athleticism are two things you can't teach. You can teach a big man post moves and give him a 15 foot jumper and teach him how to time blocks and get in better position for rebounds. There is no big man in college basketball...actually...no other player period in college basketball that has a better "frame" for greatness than Greg Oden. i agree completely. i wouldn't fault hibbert for coming out to test things (or really if he came out completely if what he heard was all positive), but he is not a top 1-2 pick nor will he be a potential franchise cornerstone the way oden could be if he works hard. my hope is that roy comes back one more year and makes himself a top 5-8 pick rather than borderline lottery (which i think he would be right now given his pure size, skills, obvious willingness to keep working, etc). |
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 31, 2007 20:07:10 GMT -5
After that performance, no one can say Oden is better than Roy at this point in time. Oden has tremendous upside, but Hibbert proved to some tough NBA critics that he is indeed capable of keeping pace with faster and more athletic big men. I was thinking as this game unfolded that Roy deifinitely shot up the draft boards; his offensive skillset is getting close to unguardable one on one. That quick drop step on Oden and the foul, was fantastic.
I just hope Roy stays, I think he will. He has stated his desire to be one of the all-time great Hoyas centers and always wanted to be a Hoya. I think he would love to come back and truly dominate the Big East and lead this team on another magical NCAA run, even if his buddy Jeff (rightly so) capitalizes on his newfound national fame and jumps to Association.
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Post by the_way on Mar 31, 2007 20:14:17 GMT -5
no other player period in college basketball that has a better "frame" for greatness than Greg Oden. Kevin Durant. I'm still trying to figure out where all this greatness is with Oden. lol @ "raw talent", "frame" its quite evident folks have been reading too many press clippings on Oden. We saw the game tonight. They are the same player, with a slight edge to Hibbert. |
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Post by HoyaAtHeart on Mar 31, 2007 20:21:09 GMT -5
How many times have you seen Greg Oden play prior to tonight?
Kevin Durant is a phenomenal talent. But look at his size and skill set and tell me whats exactly different about him than a Tracy McGrady, or a Rashard Lewis, or any other tall, long, super athletic swingman who can shoot? Greg Oden is a legit 7 footer, strong as an OX, super athletic, and is already a game changer on one side of the floor. Give him some post moves and its a wrap. Maybe you just want to go against the grain but all the hype and pub of Oden is well deserved.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Mar 31, 2007 20:21:57 GMT -5
Hibbs is only 19 right? he has 'lots of upside too.
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Post by regalmeans on Mar 31, 2007 20:24:37 GMT -5
Hibbs is only 19 right? he has 'lots of upside too. He's 20 but BARELY - his birthday is very very late in 1986... so many of his classmates are almost a year old then he is - most kids turn 21 their junior year, he turned 20. |
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Post by the_way on Mar 31, 2007 20:27:52 GMT -5
How many times have you seen Greg Oden play prior to tonight? Kevin Durant is a phenomenal talent. But look at his size and skill set and tell me whats exactly different about him than a Tracy McGrady, or a Rashard Lewis, or any other tall, long, super athletic swingman who can shoot? Greg Oden is a legit 7 footer, strong as an OX, super athletic, and is already a game changer on one side of the floor. Give him some post moves and its a wrap. Maybe you just want to go against the grain but all the hype and pub of Oden is well deserved. Durant is the better talent. You could have said the same thing about Kobe Bryant coming into the league, when Michael Jordan was already playing. Stop grasping for straws. Greg Oden said himself he was 6'11 1/2". Super athletic?? Which Greg Oden are you talking about? Oden has post moves, he used some tonight. Have you seen Oden play?? lol Oden is a decent player. He is hyped because big men are almost extinct in today's game, not because Oden himself is great. Hibbert is a game changer on both sides of the floor. You saw it clear as day tonight. |
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 31, 2007 20:37:34 GMT -5
way,
c'mon man....anyone that sees Oden knows he's a special talent. He has great skills. That said, Roy did outplay him tonight, but Oden is special...that can't be taken from him
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Post by the_way on Mar 31, 2007 20:43:08 GMT -5
way, c'mon man....anyone that sees Oden knows he's a special talent. He has great skills. That said, Roy did outplay him tonight, but Oden is special...that can't be taken from him anyone who read his press clippings, then yes. you would think he was the next Shaquille O'Neal, Ewing, Morning, Olajawon, Robinson, etc. I never said he wasn't good. he is "special" because of the lack of quality big men in today's basketball game, not because he is "special". that is my point. If this was 1987 or 1997, instead of 2007, we wouldn't talking about how special Oden is. If Oden is special, Roy Hibbert is just as special. |
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Post by TC on Mar 31, 2007 20:49:38 GMT -5
Oden's downside is Ben Wallace. His upside is Mourning.
Durant's upside is Tracy McGrady, and I think it's more possible he'll reach his upside.
That said, Oden/Durant have been the first tier of the draft discussion for the past year, and will continue to be. I think with tonight (especially after hitting that outside shot, and the one in the first half where he posted up Oden and drew the foul) that Hibbert played himself into the second tier of the draft and will be a top 5 pick.
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