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Post by hoyalunie on Feb 16, 2007 14:23:57 GMT -5
So Pep Band isn't allowed to do R&R, also known as The Hey Song anymore since people would scream sings such as "Hey, You Suck", or "Hey Go Home" during it. Athletics felt that wasn't appropriate and that Pep Band playing that song was leading to that show of unsportsmanship behavior. I know Hoya Blue was already talked to about this, but maybe people just didn't know about this, but thanks guys. Everyone who felt the need to bash the other team now has ruined one of the classic and more fun moments of Hoya Basketball Games. There may be still a way to get it back I've heard though, if EVERYONE agrees to no shout anything putting down the other team. We are Georgetown, we don't need to stoop to that level.
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Post by Hoya06 on Feb 16, 2007 14:29:43 GMT -5
This is rediculous, people are going to say what want regardless of what the pep band leads them too. This is going to stop people from singing the song?? Not to put down the Pep Band, which does a great job, but the highlight of that song was all of the students and fans singing it. I don't think the lack of band support will stop the students from singing the song, both "correctly" and "incorrectly"
The Yell leaders have sign for "WAG" chants and Hoya-Saxa, can they get "hey baby" ones?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 16, 2007 14:30:11 GMT -5
Good. We sound like morons.
One of the more fun moments of Hoya games? I'd save that for when the team is actually playing, but that's me.
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Post by CO_Hoya on Feb 16, 2007 14:31:01 GMT -5
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Post by DoubleOhHoya on Feb 16, 2007 14:32:17 GMT -5
when did people get to be so sniveling about such matters?
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Post by ilovescruggs on Feb 16, 2007 14:32:41 GMT -5
This happened at BU a while back for their hockey team, though they took it a step further using a chant of "f*** em up, f*** em up. BC s****."
I've always hated the "You Suck" addendum to the song for reasons of class, and also for the same reason I hate the "overrated" chant. If the Hoyas are beating them, and they "suck" and are "overrated" doesn't that detract from the win?
Hopefully Hoya Blue can get a memo out to students about this and clean this act up.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Feb 16, 2007 14:43:13 GMT -5
Ok, I'll break my silence on this issue. I think that it is pretty dumb to feel that "you suck" is so derogatory that it cannot be said in public to another team in 2007. If you are offended by that then you might need a thicker skin. To my knowledge RR pt. 2 has been played at home games for the last 5 years. I don't understand why it suddenly became such an issue that it needed to be micro-managed by the Atletic Department. Sure we don't want to be Maryland fans who yell out obcenities at anyone in ear-shot, but we don't want to be Duke fans who think that they are above saying anything negative. I have really enjoyed the fact that the unwritten rule of the student section at Georgetown has been that you can say negative things but you have to do it in such a way that is keeping with what you would expect from a Georgetown fan - i.e. keep it smart, keep it funny, and keep it somewhat classy.
I think that HB has done a great job of fostering this sort of fan support by making cheer sheets that reflect that general position on how to be a student fan at Georgetown. But if you're going to micromanage the band playing a song with a generalized insult that 5 year olds know then you should probably demand that HB not write anything negative on their cheer sheets, also we should change the color of the shirts from gray to blue as well because wearing gray could have the connotation of supporting the Southern soldiers who fought in the civil war -which would be the same thing as supporting systematic racism and slavery, also we should probably not consider teams our "rivals", tell teams that we "hate" them, or go on "revenge" road trips since all of those words connote violence and Georgetown doesn't support violence, and finally we should stop playing "Hey Baby" because that song assumes that the only proper relationship is that of a man and woman - clearly heteronormative.
Sorry for the rant but my point is that if you are going to micromanage and police fan behavior in this way then you are opening yourself up to having to change nearly everthing about the fan experience.
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Post by msb03 on Feb 16, 2007 14:54:57 GMT -5
The students/fans are only plainly stating the obvious. When you continuosly beat opponents by 15+ points there is no alternative but to mention that they suck.
Please people...is "You Suck" really that bad? C'MON!
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Post by Hoyabliu on Feb 16, 2007 14:58:02 GMT -5
It was really disappointing when we got the news that we couldn't play R&R. I mean, I just don't understand how this SUDDENLY became such a big issue just now. Nothing about the song has changed since i've been here. Why now??
Regardless, I still think we can try to figure out some solutions. I expressed earlier that a simple solution would be to change the words "YOU SUCK" to "G U". I don't think that would take away from the song at all. If we can get the cheerleaders to hold up G U signs and have hoya blue start spreading it and putting it on their cheersheets, this could be a pretty quick fix.
If we can get the students to start chanting "G U", i don't think anyone has a right to complain about it anymore. I understand (reluctantly) some of y'alls problems w/ the "YOU SUCK" portion of the song, but all the other "complaints" are bogus. Playing the song doesn't mean we're supporting some child molester/sex offender, nor does it make us a bunch of Twerp copy-cats. Those are lame excuses in my opinion.
However, if that doesn't work, we're open to ideas for alternatives! Some options include playing Seven Nation Army at that timeout, or a new song like Shout! I definitely wish we could have some more songs w/ coordinated student participation like some other schools.
I also wish I had more than 2 home games left while still at georgetown, but i'll get over it...in the young alum section.
beat nova!
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Post by kghoya on Feb 16, 2007 15:04:14 GMT -5
in section 111 we always say duke sucks no matter who the opponent is that particular day...
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Post by RBHoya on Feb 16, 2007 15:07:57 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't really care that much. The song isn't some integral part of the game experience for me. It'll be interesting to see what they play at the Under 4:00 timeout though. The discussions about whether or not "You Suck" is classless or acceptable in 2007, as usual, make me smile and shake my head. Fans were pretty pumped up against WVU and a lot of people were yelling it in the direction of WVU's bench. I'm guessing some higher-up decided they didn't like it, and that was that. Anyway I just thought I'd write to propose that we think of alternatives to "Hey--You Suck!" at that portion of the song. For instance the Old Dominion fans yelled "O!" at the first break "D!" at the second break and "U!" at the third break, and then "O-D-U!" and something else at the part where we spell "H-O-Y-A-S!". I feel like a number of other schools do something similar. So maybe if we can come up with a viable alternative like that the song can be salvaged. EDIT: Hoyabliu is a few minutes faster than me
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Post by GUHoya07 on Feb 16, 2007 15:08:31 GMT -5
in section 111 we always say duke sucks no matter who the opponent is that particular day... I prefer saying cuse sucks regardless of the opponent, especially considering that they are actually a rival.
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Post by Jack on Feb 16, 2007 15:10:22 GMT -5
I win. Thank you.
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Post by jhoyafan on Feb 16, 2007 15:12:30 GMT -5
The "you suck" chant is lame, it is a MD rip-off. Case closed.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 16, 2007 15:18:08 GMT -5
It was really disappointing when we got the news that we couldn't play R&R. I mean, I just don't understand how this SUDDENLY became such a big issue just now. Nothing about the song has changed since i've been here. Why now?? Regardless, I still think we can try to figure out some solutions. I expressed earlier that a simple solution would be to change the words "YOU SUCK" to "G U". I don't think that would take away from the song at all. If we can get the cheerleaders to hold up G U signs and have hoya blue start spreading it and putting it on their cheersheets, this could be a pretty quick fix. If we can get the students to start chanting "G U", i don't think anyone has a right to complain about it anymore. I understand (reluctantly) some of y'alls problems w/ the "YOU SUCK" portion of the song, but all the other "complaints" are bogus. Playing the song doesn't mean we're supporting some child molester/sex offender, nor does it make us a bunch of Twerp copy-cats. Those are lame excuses in my opinion. However, if that doesn't work, we're open to ideas for alternatives! Some options include playing Seven Nation Army at that timeout, or a new song like Shout! I definitely wish we could have some more songs w/ coordinated student participation like some other schools. I also wish I had more than 2 home games left while still at georgetown, but i'll get over it...in the young alum section. beat nova! Zombie Nation maybe? ;D
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Post by Boz on Feb 16, 2007 15:21:55 GMT -5
First there are many better reasons to avoid this particular song. Or any song by Michael Jackson or R. Kelly for that matter. I have two words for those artists: "Eeew!" and Gross!"
Secondly, it is a musical fact that any song is ruined by adding chants, sing-alongs or crowd participation into them. It is axiomatic.
It doesn't matter if the song starts out as a good one - like "American Music" by the Violent Femmes - or starts out as an average one - like "Mony Mony" by Tommy James (Billy Idol for you kids). Or even if it starts out as a God-awful song - like "Sweet Caroline."
No, no matter how good or bad the song is to begin with, crowd participation inevitably degrades it exponentially.
[PERSONAL NOTE] I feel so strongly about this that I am on a lifelong mission to find one moron who has forever ruined one of the greatest songs of all time. On the extended, remastered version of Weezer's Blue album, there is a live recording of "Surf Wax America," which absolutely kills. It kills, that is, until the song reaches the quiet part and some idiot in the crowd keeps screaming out 'smoke dope!!' while Rivers Cuomo is trying to croon "you take your car to work...' Technically not a sing-along but crowd participation nevertheless. If I ever, EVER find that person, I will kill him, slowly and painfully, consequences be damned. If I had a Steven Colbert list, he would be at the top of it. Maybe second to Madonna, I'm not sure. [/PERSONAL NOTE]
But the best reason to avoid the song in question is simply that it's been done to death.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Feb 16, 2007 15:24:15 GMT -5
Personally I don't have much of a problem with the song itself. My main issue is the fact that these are all the words that are sung/yelled.
Hey! You Suck! Hey! You Suck! HOYAS!
If they didn't spell out H-O-Y-A-S at the end, the "you suck" wouldn't be nearly so dumb. But I'm not sure what You Suck Hoyas! is supposed to mean.
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Post by The Stig on Feb 16, 2007 15:24:36 GMT -5
I know at soccer and football games we sometimes sing the Hey song a capella - it'd be tougher at a basketball game but it might be worth a try. Generally those sorts of things are easier with a smaller crowd - maybe we could try it out on the 'Nova roadtrip?
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Feb 16, 2007 15:25:22 GMT -5
The only time I've ever enjoyed the "You Suck" part is when we are playing a rival team like Villanova, Pitt, Cuse, or West Virginia and we can really let these teams and their fans know that they are in our house. I think it is inappropriate when we are playing Ball State and people are saying "You Suck" and pointing over at Ronnie and the poor kids on his bench as they are down by 16 or JMU when we were beating them by 30. I can see why the Athletic Dept. made the decision they did though, as it was almost as if the coordinated "You Suck" chant was sanctioned by them. I'm sure we can tell the other team and their fans how much they suck without the song, so I'm not too worried about it.
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Post by Hoyabliu on Feb 16, 2007 15:25:53 GMT -5
You're right Boz...let's get rid of Hey Baby...and the fight song while we're at it, cause it's been done to death...
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