Air Jordan
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Post by Air Jordan on Jan 14, 2007 11:18:04 GMT -5
Are not fast enough to stop penetration, you guys know as well as I do that if we are playing a 2-3 zone, or even man to man, and a guard penetrates straight down the middle the defense is vulnerable. I'm not saying well lets wait until next year, ie.(WRIGHT and FREEMAN) but if that keeps up it is NIT no question. The guys work hard dont get me wrong, but you cant teach speed. Good game by PE Jr., and TC, but our guards on defense is the reason we lost this game and the nova game. We have trouble stopping the penetration of the other teams. And if it is not fixed, well lets just say it is not looking good.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 14, 2007 11:25:51 GMT -5
I didn't see any gurads on the court.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 14, 2007 12:22:57 GMT -5
What's a gurad?
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 14, 2007 12:29:23 GMT -5
We basically had the same guards last year...and went to the Sweet Sixteen. Cook wasn't exactly Gary Payton in his prime.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Jan 14, 2007 12:46:17 GMT -5
You can stop penetration without sheer speed. If you take the right defensive angles and move your feet the right way, you can be effective on the defensive end without being a burner.
Doc Rivers was never the fastest dude on the court, but he played great defense. Just sayin
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Jan 14, 2007 12:49:02 GMT -5
We basically had the same guards last year...and went to the Sweet Sixteen. Cook wasn't exactly Gary Payton in his prime. Cook could get his own shot, handle the ball and played better defense then any guard we have right now. He's missed. He won't be missed as much next year with Wright--who is superior to any guard Hoyas have had in over a decade.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Jan 14, 2007 13:02:39 GMT -5
will anyone watch freeman tonight on cstv? the game starts at 5:30
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Jan 14, 2007 13:16:03 GMT -5
Wright won't be superior than Freeman. But perhaps that's just the DeMatha grad in me speaking.
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Jan 14, 2007 13:28:20 GMT -5
Wright won't be superior than Freeman. But perhaps that's just the DeMatha grad in me speaking. You are spot on MCI, should've mentioned I was talking about PG/ball handling, but doesn't matter--both kids coming in next year are superior to anything Hoyas have had since AI and Page.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Jan 14, 2007 13:43:51 GMT -5
look people it is very simple...I love Jonathan Wallace - he WILL absolutely start next year regardless of what wright and freeman bring to the table...
the bottom line is that we still desperately need more guard depth - it has hurt us in every one of our losses this season. Sapp, IMO is simply overmatched at the 2...he just doesn't have the game that we need at that position - some of his drives were a disaster last night...wallace is a smart, savvy point and i love his game...he is limited in some respects, but i dont think of him as a liability, but rather as an asset.
rivers has looked really bad to me...seriously. i like his size and his defensive effort but he just doesnt have the tools right now...
while roy and jeff have not been as assertive as i had hoped, they cant get themselves the ball single-handedly...jeff for one, everyone says just "he needs to demand the ball and take it to the hole..." - i am starting to think that is an unfair expectation of him.
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PopeJohn2
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Jan 14, 2007 13:50:25 GMT -5
i have no worries about recruiting. we are basically stacked at this point for the 2007-08 season. next year we will have a better mix of frontcourt and backcourt talent. our frontcourt will be even more experienced with 3 seniors and 2 sophmores. we got 2 great guards coming in next year and braswell in 2008. and i for one am working on samardo samuels so hopefully he will be a hoya in 2008 as well.
we have guards galore for the future, just need the bigger men for 2008 and beyond.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 14, 2007 13:52:42 GMT -5
We basically had the same guards last year...and went to the Sweet Sixteen. Cook wasn't exactly Gary Payton in his prime. Cook could get his own shot, handle the ball and played better defense then any guard we have right now. He's missed. He won't be missed as much next year with Wright--who is superior to any guard Hoyas have had in over a decade. I was merely referring to the defensive argument. I'm not sure he's a much better defender than Sapp. Not enough that the opponents' guard penetration dooms us to the NIT, which was the original posters' point.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 14, 2007 13:56:44 GMT -5
Brasky, what the heck are you talking about?
Jessie was 7-10 (1-3 from 3) with 4 assists and two turnovers. Yeah, some of his drives were complete disasters. He was 7-8 from 2 with just two turnovers. So, er, yeah, freaking DISASTER.
Also, the offense was great last night. Never stagnant. Scored 69 in 56 possessions. We just could never get a stop. They made everything.
Seriously, you actually watched that game and came away with our offense being the problem?
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Post by williambraskyiii on Jan 14, 2007 14:05:08 GMT -5
wow - i had no idea those were his final numbers...my bad. i did not think our offense was the problem at all last night, my thoughts were more a general commentary...the stagnant characterization was more with regard to nova
it is a little disheartening that we finally seemed to be bringing the defensive intensity on a regular basis and then we couldnt stop them last night at all. but i am not too disappointed with a 5pt loss at pitt..
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Jan 14, 2007 14:06:05 GMT -5
Jon Wallace is a hard working, nice player and asset to the program. If he starts it should be on MERIT, not due to loyalty. The loyalty is to the program and Chris Wright is better as a HS senior then Jon Wallace is as a JR in college. The best players play--this isn't Pee Wee ball. If Wallace starts ahead of Wright fine-as long as the better player gets the most time on court. This isn't Pee Wee ball, you play your best players and Wright is and will be better then Wallace in every area when measuring a point guard/basketball player.
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HoyaFanNY
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jan 14, 2007 15:01:31 GMT -5
jon has never been able to stop good guards off the dribble. he has improved somewhat, but he is what he is....a good role player. defense was the problem with everyone last night...the guards never stopped pentration and the big guys didn't make pitt players pay for going to the basket.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Jan 14, 2007 15:19:01 GMT -5
Jon Wallace is a hard working, nice player and asset to the program. If he starts it should be on MERIT, not due to loyalty. The loyalty is to the program and Chris Wright is better as a HS senior then Jon Wallace is as a JR in college. The best players play--this isn't Pee Wee ball. If Wallace starts ahead of Wright fine-as long as the better player gets the most time on court. This isn't Pee Wee ball, you play your best players and Wright is and will be better then Wallace in every area when measuring a point guard/basketball player. If those areas include floor leadership, then I'm totally with you on Wright starting.
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Post by hoyaeighties on Jan 14, 2007 17:09:28 GMT -5
I agree RDF...
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HealyHoya
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Post by HealyHoya on Jan 14, 2007 17:23:27 GMT -5
We basically had the same guards last year...and went to the Sweet Sixteen. Cook wasn't exactly Gary Payton in his prime. Not sure it's that easy...first, wallace (1) and cook (2) were better defensively than wallace (1) and sapp (2). To what degree could be argued but cook, a quicker, faster senior, was a better defender than sapp, a bigger, slower sophomore getting his first shot at starting. Beyond that, we had Owens, a 6'6" 5th year senior, at the 3, or Bobo, a quick, agile 6'8" senior, at the 3. Now we have Summers -- immensely talented but a true frosh facing venues like Petersen and woofing from Mike Cook for the first time. That's a huge difference on the perimeter. Off the bench at the guard spot? Rivers -- another true frosh who's missed time due to injury. I'm not an alarmist by nature and I like this squad, but our guards were totally out of their league on defense last night.
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 14, 2007 19:25:40 GMT -5
No offense to anyone on this thread but our guards have been closing out on shooters and playing very good D for about a month now.
So we pick on them after a game in which NOBODY played D. Sapp guarded air but so did Pitt's guards. It wasn't like our guys were in lockdown on offense and torched on D. Both backcourts looked AWFUL on D.
Our guards (Wallace, Sapp, and Crawford) shot almost 70% from the floor. It was not a pretty sight from a defensive standpoint on either side. Let's not get on our guards too much after a mutual El Matador game from two usually solid defensive clubs.
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