DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 7, 2004 20:54:58 GMT -5
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nychoya3
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Post by nychoya3 on May 7, 2004 21:07:17 GMT -5
Ugh. That's not good...
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Post by GUHoya07 on May 7, 2004 21:12:42 GMT -5
This is very, very, very strange. I hope it all gets cleared up because it is rather disturbing.
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watsonry
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Post by watsonry on May 7, 2004 21:46:13 GMT -5
Where was that aggression on the court Riley?
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Post by wildcathoya on May 7, 2004 21:55:52 GMT -5
Yea I heard that Amadou accidently threw some expensive clothing of Gerald's away and Gerald beat him pretty badly...
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Post by GUHoya07 on May 7, 2004 22:46:17 GMT -5
Are you serious? If you are that is pretty ridiculous on Gerald's part. If that is true I will have lost a ton of respect for Riles.
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Post by doublehoya on May 7, 2004 23:50:26 GMT -5
Wow. It will be interesting to see how JTIII deals with this odd situation. Nothing like killing all the great press we got from the JTIII hire with stupid crap like this.
At least no one had a samaurai sword! (is that too obscure a reference. . . .?)
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nychoya3
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Post by nychoya3 on May 8, 2004 0:19:32 GMT -5
Well, the main guy who this would hurt is Gerald. I mean, it doesn't sound like AKD was at fault here, and since Riley is graduating, it seems unlikely to leave a lasting stain, no matter how ugly it was.
Still, this is obviously not the kind of thing you want to read about. Gerald has always been a very friendly and nice guy in my experience, but that's hardly proof of anything.
Gerald is a longshot to get drafted (even longer now), but I think he could have a future in pro basketball, overseas and perhaps, eventually in the league. He always reminded me a bit of Bruce Bowen - a guy who, in the right situation, could be a pretty decent player. Now, I know he's not that good a defender, but I think he's pretty good already and the talent is there to get better at it. If this is true, it'll deal a big blow to his chances of even getting into a training camp.
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Post by MEGAFAN on May 8, 2004 2:18:07 GMT -5
This is really a weird story, and a very unfortunate situation, but I don't think any of us can rush to judgement given that we don't have all the facts. Most likely, we never will, but a couple of things intrigue/concern me.
First of all, one thing is getting in a fist fight, especially if guys are a little drunk, angry over money, etc, but it's quite another to beat the crap out of a friend and/or teammate.
Of course, these things can be blown out of proportion, and perhaps it was not much more than a good old-fashioned fist fight. However, I would doubt that AKD would call the cops and charge Riles with assault unless he was either severly beaten or really scared by Riley's threats. It could be the case that AKD (or a friend/roomate) over-reacted. I hope this isn't the case, because I know that if someone beat me up at Georgetown, especially a teammate, I wouldn't call the cops, unless it was REALLY bad!
I know I may sound a little old-fashioned or meat-headish, but even if you get beaten up for no good reason, it takes quite a Edited to deal with this by calling the cops, rather than by settling it in-house. Especially given that this was a teammate, you would think AKD could have approached the coaching staff or others to handle the situation. But of course, it seems that AKD was the victim here, and I don't want to blame him. But on the other hand, sometimes the victim is simply the guy who lost the fight.
Who knows? As I said, this is nothing more than specualtion on my part, and I'm not pointing fingers in either direction. Beyond the fact that Riles was brought in on assault charges, we don't know much more.
Of course, we never like to hear these stories, but you guys must realize that an assault charge can vary tremendously. It is one of the most common charges after underage drinking, public drunkeness, public urination, disorderly conduct, etc. Whilte I'm not trying to minimize the situation, sometimes it can result form nothing more than a threat or regular fist fight. Of course, at times it can be much more serious, but it is basically a misdemeanour.
The fact that Riles is a HOYA is the reason why it got picked up by the press. It could simply have been that DOPS got called, and because of the physical nature of the encounter, and blood, etc. they were required to call METRO. It could be nothing more than one of many fights that takes place repeatedly among young men at any college campus regularly every year.
Well, first of all, I hope that AKD is alright. Next, I hope that both players can put this behind them, and although unlikely, make the peace. Next, while I don't see it as being a big blemish on the program, I would hate to see this story overshadow all of the excitement surrounding the program of late. Well, it's late, and I'm going to go to bed.
If I'm not mistaken, I think this is my 50th post, which should bring me up to 2 stars, something that MEGAFAN should not be too proud of, given that back in the good old days, I think I ranked among the most frequent posters. But hey, I'm about quality these days, not quantity.
GO HOYAS!!!
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Post by hoyabinx on May 8, 2004 2:59:34 GMT -5
I had a class with amadou last summer and he may have been the nicest guy ever, i doubt (although of course cannot know) that he started a fight with Riley. It is unfortunate that this has come up now and if would be awful if this is how Riley is remembered, althogh I doubt it will be. Most people on campus will probably never hear about this since all campus media (ie the hoya) is finished for the summer i think.
Anyway, here is to a good next season.
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Post by michiganhoya on May 8, 2004 8:00:00 GMT -5
Does anyone else find it disturbing that our lifeless leader, the master of the ticky tack foul, delivered a beating to one of front court players? Once he recovers from his injuries, I hope tha Amadou recommits himself to the strength program. If Gerald is slapping him around the apartment, I shudder to think of the what Craig Smith will do to him underneath the basket. No wonder we could not rebound effectively this past season.
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Post by RDF on May 8, 2004 8:34:39 GMT -5
Does anyone else find it disturbing that our lifeless leader, the master of the ticky tack foul, delivered a beating to one of front court players? Once he recovers from his injuries, I hope tha Amadou recommits himself to the strength program. If Gerald is slapping him around the apartment, I shudder to think of the what Craig Smith will do to him underneath the basket. No wonder we could not rebound effectively this past season. You took the words right out of my mouth Michigan! How are you going to let someone kick your butt? Isn't AKD's mom at GU in some role? Maybe she saw her son's face and "urged" him to press charges against Riley. All I know is that Esh sure built a team full of "Chemistry". We've now heard of two fights among teammates in the past two years and this is with Harvey Thomas out of the program! I've got no problem with disagreeing with family members but when it borders on assault you have some issues and questions to what type of "Team/Family" Esherick was putting together?? I think these incidents support my opinion even more about Esherick's failings to build a program and why I'm so enthused about JT III. It's not always talent or who will sign with you, it's about bringing in the RIGHT TYPE OF PLAYERS who SHARE A GOAL and believe in the program and system. That doesn't mean things won't get heated time to time, but it's one thing to have it happen on the court as compared to the crap we've seen with Wilson/Samnick and now Riley/AKD. Following Michigan Hoya's comments, it's also proof of why I think Ed Spriggs needs to become Jack the Bulldog and leave weight/strength training to someone who knows how to do it! AKD shouldn't be getting punked by Riley and seems to be a "rift" between departing Esh players and the NEW GU Program. Lack of support for JT III's hiring at the Press Conference might not have been coincedence. If this is type of character they exhibit, I just hope they come back to Hilltop in another year, and I think this incident would become more of a beatdown in the other direction. The days of TEAM our about to return. Said it once and I'll say it again, GOOD RIDDANCE to anyone associated with Esherick Era and now that includes former Esh recruits and pets--Freeman, Riley, etc... I thank them for choosing GU and giving effort, but the results and what has become public speak more for their failures and short-comings than anything I could've teased them about in the past. THEY WERE GU during the "Esh Mess" "WE ARE GEORGETOWN"
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2004 8:38:49 GMT -5
In AKD's defense, he may have "turtled" or simply taken a defensive stance. In other words, perhaps he was being the better man and simply trying to ward Riley off as opposed to fully fighting back.
We don't know all the details, perhaps people were standing between them and GR got one good shot off and people broke it up before it got out of hand, etc. There are simply way too many questions that need to be answered before we start calling for people's heads.
On that note, I DO agree with you we need an "up-to-date" strengh coach. Spriggs may be just as good as the next guy, but shouldn't we be out there looking for the best of the best anyway? I only say that because I've seen our lack of tenaciousness under the glass the past few years first hand and its sad to see.
GO HOYAS!!!
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Post by GUHoya07 on May 8, 2004 10:40:33 GMT -5
Said it once and I'll say it again, GOOD RIDDANCE to anyone associated with Esherick Era and now that includes former Esh recruits and pets--Freeman, Riley, etc... I thank them for choosing GU and giving effort, but the results and what has become public speak more for their failures and short-comings than anything I could've teased them about in the past. I understand where you are coming from but I don't think you should bash everyone associated with the Esh era. Courtland Freeman for example is nothing but a class act by all accounts and although he was never quite a star performer on the court we should be proud to consider him a member of the Georgetown community forever. I'm happy that the Esh era is being left behind as well but I think some guys deserve more respect than they are getting.
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Post by gamp on May 8, 2004 11:26:59 GMT -5
Strange story, though I've heard the same thing about Amadou throwing out some of Riley's good cloths - I assume by mistake.
A little disappointing that Amadou didn't go through DPS rather than metro police. They're teamates for crying out loud, and it was just a fist fight. No need to give a teamate a police record over that.
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Post by Gold Hoya on May 8, 2004 12:02:55 GMT -5
Per the story in the Post they live on the 1400 block of 37th street, which is the row of endowment houses right outside the gates (and next to Hoya Station).
Although this is Georgetown-owned property it is not directly on campus, so there's no doubt that Metro has jurisdiction over this location.
I would caution anyone against name-calling of AKD. Not once in the Post story was it stated that AKD called police or initiated the complaint. It's very possible that a housemate or neighbor called in - it was nearly 3 am after all.
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GUHoya07
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Post by GUHoya07 on May 8, 2004 12:04:40 GMT -5
Good point Gold
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Post by Joe Hoya on May 8, 2004 13:35:58 GMT -5
I had a class with amadou last summer and he may have been the nicest guy ever, i doubt (although of course cannot know) that he started a fight with Riley. It is unfortunate that this has come up now and if would be awful if this is how Riley is remembered, althogh I doubt it will be. Most people on campus will probably never hear about this since all campus media (ie the hoya) is finished for the summer i think. Anyway, here is to a good next season. I heard the story from a couple different people before I saw it on this site. So in my opinion, people will know about it and talk about it regardless of whether the campus media reports it. I really think it's a stretch to blame Craig (again) for one of his walk-ons getting beaten up by another player two weeks before the alleged assailant is (was?) scheduled to graduate. We don't know what happened that night, so it really doesn't do any good to speculate on it. Maybe 'Dou called the cops, maybe someone else did. Maybe they were having a fist-fight, maybe Gerald jumped him from behind. Maybe 'Dou insulted Gerald's mom, maybe he threw Gerald's bling away. Maybe there was a poker game that didn't go well for Gerald. Maybe Amadou told Gerald he took too many shots. Maybe Gerald told Amadou he ran like a giraffe. Who knows? Only two know for sure, so until we hear testimony or comments from either of the two parties, we shouldn't criticize Amadou for calling the police, and we shouldn't criticize him for getting beaten up. Regardless of what really happened, it's an upsetting incident that hopefully won't have too great an effect on either of the two young men involved as they move forward in their lives/careers.
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Post by hoyabinx on May 8, 2004 15:45:43 GMT -5
I heard the story from a couple different people before I saw it on this site. So in my opinion, people will know about it and talk about it regardless of whether the campus media reports it. I really think it's a stretch to blame Craig (again) for one of his walk-ons getting beaten up by another player two weeks before the alleged assailant is (was?) scheduled to graduate. We don't know what happened that night, so it really doesn't do any good to speculate on it. Maybe 'Dou called the cops, maybe someone else did. Maybe they were having a fist-fight, maybe Gerald jumped him from behind. Maybe 'Dou insulted Gerald's mom, maybe he threw Gerald's bling away. Maybe there was a poker game that didn't go well for Gerald. Maybe Amadou told Gerald he took too many shots. Maybe Gerald told Amadou he ran like a giraffe. Who knows? Only two know for sure, so until we hear testimony or comments from either of the two parties, we shouldn't criticize Amadou for calling the police, and we shouldn't criticize him for getting beaten up. Regardless of what really happened, it's an upsetting incident that hopefully won't have too great an effect on either of the two young men involved as they move forward in their lives/careers. the shooting/giraffe thing was hilarious hahahha
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Post by Diablo on May 8, 2004 16:45:18 GMT -5
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