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Post by pistolchad on Aug 16, 2006 13:40:37 GMT -5
Thanks for the insight Chad - Is it fair to say that Eaton, Curry, and Dove will determine the success of OSU this season? Also what changes will Sean Sutton make to the offense and defense? If I had to narrow it down to only 3 key players, I would actually probably narrow it down to Eaton, Curry, and Boggan. These 3 guys are the majority of the offense. Dove is one of the best shut-down defenders we have ever had at Oklahoma State though. Offensively, Sean has already changed the Cowboys significantly over the past few years. The slow and deliberate Cowboys (like 1995 Final Four team with "Big Country" Bryant Reeves) are long gone. Sean was responsible for a faster paced, transitional game (2004 Final Four team with Tony Allen and 2005 Elite 8 team with Joey & Stephen Graham and John Lucas III). Defensively, Sean has already stated he will play much more Zone Defense than his father did. If you know much about Eddie Sutton and Mr. Henry Iba, you will know this is borderline sacrilege at Oklahoma State. Tough/physical Man-to-Man Defense will still be the staple of the team, but Sean has also said he plans to press and trap more than his father did. Thanks for your post Chad. Would be great to add a Big 12 team to the schedule. Ok St will be a tough out due to the home advantage especially. Hopefully it works out. You are welcome. Thanks to all for the kind words about Gallagher-Iba Arena and our fans. We are predominately a basketball school first (as compared to football) and the fans follow the team very well. Even though the All-College Classic at the Ford Center is a doubleheader, for every Tulsa or OU fan attending there will probably be at least 3 OSU fans there. I would easily estimate at least 1/2 of the fans there will be wearing Orange. It is a combination of his father's name and his uncle's name. One was named James and another Leon. It's pronounced "James On", but if you see "Jameson", many people would pronounce it "Jame Son" or "James Sin" depending on your dialect. I hope the series works out. If not, hopefully a home-and-home could get scheduled in the future.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Aug 16, 2006 13:40:52 GMT -5
Yep, the Red Raiders in '96. According to hoyabasketball.com, we've only played Big XII teams 5 times, compiling a 4-1 record. We have played Kansas, Missouri, Texas, and Texas Tech (twice). If both this and Baylor pan out, I'm about postitive this would be the first time we've played two teams from that conference in a single season. That said, if this Ok St game doesn't pan out, I hope we have another good one backing this one up. Hopefully, hopefully, a nice OOC home game. Oregon just doesn't cut it. But I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by pistolchad on Aug 16, 2006 13:51:25 GMT -5
Yep, the Red Raiders in '96. According to hoyabasketball.com, we've only played Big XII teams 5 times, compiling a 4-1 record. We have played Kansas, Missouri, Texas, and Texas Tech (twice). Interesting couple of notes... 1995-1996 was the last year of the Big8 and the SouthWest Conference, so technically the Big12 didn't exist yet. Also, the head coach of that Texas Tech squad was James Dickey, who has been an assistant coach at Oklahoma State the past several years. www.okstate.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=1464&SPID=145&DB_OEM_ID=200&ATCLID=6636&Q_SEASON=2006
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Post by hoyarooter on Aug 16, 2006 13:52:11 GMT -5
It sounds as though this game might be characterized as a neutral court game, but it's really a road game. Bring it on! ;D
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Aug 16, 2006 14:24:51 GMT -5
kc and pistolchad got it right: athletics competition in the Big 12 Conference began August 31, 1996, almost a half year after March Madness. Texas Tech was a SWC team when the Red Raiders met the Hoyas in the Sweet Sixteen.
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Post by NJHoya95 on Aug 16, 2006 15:02:38 GMT -5
Austin- Your question was when did we play a Big XII school. It was 1996. While the conference did not exist, the school did and you asked when we beat the Big XII school. I watched that game at High Tops a bar across the street from Wrigley. My nervousness reached epic levels that day. Tech was good. We were very fortunate to win, with AI and all.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Aug 16, 2006 19:32:23 GMT -5
Austin- Your question was when did we play a Big XII school. It was 1996. While the conference did not exist, the school did and you asked when we beat the Big XII school. I watched that game at High Tops a bar across the street from Wrigley. My nervousness reached epic levels that day. Tech was good. We were very fortunate to win, with AI and all. Tech was good, and very athletic for an SWC team. I think it was the week they played GU that Darvin Ham shattering a backboard made the cover of SI. I still think the accurate answer to my question is "never." If I had asked "When was the last time France was invaded by a democracy?" the answer would not be Germany (unless you want to quibble over whether giving Hitler control of the country was the result of a democratic process). When the glory days of Penn State football are discussed PSU is not referred to as a Big Ten school. When discussing sports history it is important to take conference affiliations into account. GU joining the Big East was a watershed in Hoya athletics, for example. The ACC gaining Miami and BC is being hyped by that conference as a big moment for ACC football. Perhaps I could have phrased the question differently, but asking, "When did GU last beat a Big XII school that was at the time affiliated with the Big XII Conference?" would have given away the answer.
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Post by TBird41 on Aug 16, 2006 20:23:25 GMT -5
I still think the accurate answer to my question is "never." If I had asked "When was the last time France was invaded by a democracy?" the answer would not be Germany (unless you want to quibble over whether giving Hitler control of the country was the result of a democratic process). When the glory days of Penn State football are discussed PSU is not referred to as a Big Ten school. When discussing sports history it is important to take conference affiliations into account. GU joining the Big East was a watershed in Hoya athletics, for example. The ACC gaining Miami and BC is being hyped by that conference as a big moment for ACC football. Perhaps I could have phrased the question differently, but asking, "When did GU last beat a Big XII school that was at the time affiliated with the Big XII Conference?" would have given away the answer. You could have said "When was the last time that Georgetown played a team in the Big XII?" Texas Tech wasn't in the Big XII in 1996 because it was in the SWC. Kind of like how Virginia Tech wasn't in the ACC in 2000 because it was in the Big East, so FSU was playing a team in the Big East.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Aug 16, 2006 21:56:35 GMT -5
Hey DFW:
What's a realistic car ride from Dallas to Stillwater? Four hours or so? Brother is in Dallas and wondering if a road trip is possible......
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Aug 16, 2006 22:37:24 GMT -5
Game isn't in Stillwater - but if you really want to go to Eskimo Joe's or the original Hideaway (they have them in Norman and Tulsa - but the sauce is different) its about 3.5 hours if you are the only person who actually drives the speed limit on I-35 (seriously somewhere around Paul's Valley I always get passed while going 90). Dallas to OKC is much shorter depending on when you leave the metroplex and get into OKC - I'd say about 3 hours given the fact that there is always construction and at least 1 wreck.
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Post by FairfaxHoya on Aug 17, 2006 10:00:51 GMT -5
Austin- Your question was when did we play a Big XII school. It was 1996. While the conference did not exist, the school did and you asked when we beat the Big XII school. I watched that game at High Tops a bar across the street from Wrigley. My nervousness reached epic levels that day. Tech was good. We were very fortunate to win, with AI and all. Tech was good, and very athletic for a Big XII team. I think it was the week they played GU that Darvin Ham shattering a backboard made the cover of SI. I still think the accurate answer to my question is "never." If I had asked "When was the last time France was invaded by a democracy?" the answer would not be Germany (unless you want to quibble over whether giving Hitler control of the country was the result of a democratic process). When the glory days of Penn State football are discussed PSU is not referred to as a Big Ten school. When discussing sports history it is important to take conference affiliations into account. GU joining the Big East was a watershed in Hoya athletics, for example. The ACC gaining Miami and BC is being hyped by that conference as a big moment for ACC football. Perhaps I could have phrased the question differently, but asking, "When did GU last beat a Big XII school that was at the time affiliated with the Big XII Conference?" would have given away the answer. I was there for the "Ham Slam". I was covering GU for The Hoya, and we had just beaten New Mexico in the second round of the Tournament (in Richmond). Then Tech beat UNC later that day, including the Slam. We beat Tech the following Thurs/Friday in the Sweet 16.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Aug 17, 2006 12:58:33 GMT -5
You could have said "When was the last time that Georgetown played a team in the Big XII?" Texas Tech wasn't in the Big XII in 1996 because it was in the SWC. Kind of like how Virginia Tech wasn't in the ACC in 2000 because it was in the Big East, so FSU was playing a team in the Big East. Sorry to haggle over syntax, but the phrase "in the Big XII" is just as supposedly ambiguous as the phrase "a Big XII team." Does "in the Big XII" refer to former, current, or future members? In order to clarify you have to ask "When was the last time GU played a team [currently] in the Big XII," or "When was the last time GU played a team [that was at that time] in the Big XII?" Likewise, it is not incorrect to say FSU played Virginia Tech, a team in the ACC, in 1990. It is, however, ambiguous. Does the phrase refer to Va. Tech's current or past status? A clue is the use of the past tense: "played." While this doesn't entirely clear up the ambiguity, it does suggest that Va. Tech was in the ACC in 1990, which would be wrong. Just like saying GU played Texas Tech, a Big XII team, in 1996, suggests a conclusion which is also wrong. Two people picked up what I was putting down and got the question right. To do so you just had to think about what the ambiguity in the question entailed.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 17, 2006 13:02:30 GMT -5
Worst. Thread. Ever.
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Post by JimmyHoya on Aug 17, 2006 13:05:47 GMT -5
No, no, it's a great thread. It's a perfect example of the evils of free browsing privledges in the workplace.
The only better example would be this post--where I'm actually analyzing that instance of surpeme unproductivity by being unproductive myself at work.
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Post by TBird41 on Aug 17, 2006 13:12:17 GMT -5
Neither Hifi nor the McNamara lover the_way is involved in this thread. Therefore it does not meet the criteria for Worst. Thread. Ever. Also, the topic really hasn't been exhausted until Wittgenstein is used.
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Post by Nitrorebel on Aug 17, 2006 13:16:01 GMT -5
I'll do the honors. The last point of the Tractatus Logicus Philosophicus:
"7. Of that of which you know nothing, of that you should remain silent."
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Aug 17, 2006 13:44:25 GMT -5
If you think this is boring don't ever go to law school.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 17, 2006 13:45:54 GMT -5
If you think this is boring don't ever go to law school. Oh, believe me, I won't.
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Post by pistolchad on Aug 21, 2006 7:31:52 GMT -5
UPDATE.
The word from Oklahoma State's Athletic Department is that Georgetown would not agree to play Oklahoma State in the All College Classic. ESPN is reportedly trying to get another Big East team to play instead.
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Post by Nitrorebel on Aug 21, 2006 7:35:14 GMT -5
Sad to hear. I'm guessing the dates were the problem. Maybe next year?
Thanks for stopping by Chad.
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