gujake
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Post by gujake on Jul 24, 2006 19:52:51 GMT -5
It's so difficult trying to project how players will fit into a system once the season starts (especially our system), but it's fun to do anyway. I've watched most of the Kenner games so far fwiw.
Roy 30mpg - Maybe a stretch to expect 30mins from Roy every game, but in the games that matter he should be able to do it now that he's in better shape.
Jeff 35mpg - Not much to say here.
Macklin 15mpg - I expect Macklin to be taking the backup minutes from Roy and Jeff. Though his offensive abilities look limited as of now, his defense and rebounding are overlooked and he can finish around the basket. Free throws look awful.
PE2 20mpg - Right now I would still give Ewing a slight edge over Summers for starting at the 3. He tends to do the little things that people don't notice. I also think PE2 will be better off in a structured system but that remains to be seen.
Summers 20mpg - Only reason he would not start is because he is prone to TOs and trying to do too much. This could change by the beginning or middle of the season. Strangely, he is not very good at finishing around the basket.
Crawford 18mpg - I have been very impressed by TC. Very team-oriented, but can defenetely drive and finish. His outside shot is better than I expected and he will be a legit option from 3-range I think. Defense is also much better than I thought, even for KL games.
Sapp 27mpg - Seems to be much more confident/aggressive. Also has shown range from 3. Still can't create his own shots, but most of my worries about Jesse are gone.
Wallace 35mpg - We're going to need him on the floor as much as possible to keep things balanced and keep teams from camping out inside.
Spann may be a contender to get some meaningful PT, but I honestly have not seen enough from him yet. I really don't see anyone else being able to do much this year. Rivers is going to need a year to mature I think (he dribbles WAY too much at this point, but has potential). Egerson may have a long shot at some minutes.
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Post by theEDGEfactor on Jul 24, 2006 20:44:53 GMT -5
personally i think pejr gets about 5 more mins and gives jeff a lil more rest
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Jul 28, 2006 18:18:37 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 31, 2006 21:29:09 GMT -5
figured this was the best place to put this. I was in yates today Gunning my lats and i saw PE2 and tyler crawford being worked out by a trainer. at first tyler was shooting threes ( jeff was rebounding) and PE2 was shooting left handed lay ups from a chair. then they both worked on driving towards the basket and pulling up before the chair and shooting a jump shot. JT II was watching from a bench giving advice. as i walked past to leave i heard him shout at patrick: "don't run over the Editeding chair!" It was pretty funy. It was good to see tyler working on his shot. he was looking pretty good too. and then to see them both work on pull up jumpers.
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Post by washingtonhoya on Jul 31, 2006 21:37:47 GMT -5
figured this was the best place to put this. I was in yates today Gunning my lats and i saw PE2 and tyler crawford being worked out by a trainer. at first tyler was shooting threes ( jeff was rebounding) and PE2 was shooting left handed lay ups from a chair. then they both worked on driving towards the basket and pulling up before the chair and shooting a jump shot. JT II was watching from a bench giving advice. as i walked past to leave i heard him shout at patrick: "don't run over the Editeding chair!" I feel like there's a Bobby Knight/"We're scheduling Texas Tech" joke in there somewhere, but I just can't pull the trigger on it. Good to hear that Tyler is working on 3s; he'll definitely see a lot of minutes if he can knock those down consistently. Also good to hear that HSB's lats are sufficiently gunned.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jul 31, 2006 21:50:09 GMT -5
haha i guess i left that in i wrote that planning on taking that joke out but oh well i stand by it.
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jul 31, 2006 21:53:11 GMT -5
But not just "gunning," "Gunning" with a capital G. HoyaSinceBirthamania is running wild!
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hoya4ever
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Post by hoya4ever on Jul 31, 2006 22:53:18 GMT -5
Wait, who is Bolton
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Dhall
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Post by Dhall on Aug 1, 2006 10:05:25 GMT -5
I think there's some over-analyzing going on here. There are only 5 proven Big East quality players on this team in Wallace, Sapp, Green, Hibbert and Ewing (having played in Big Ten). In my opinion, and based on JTIII's brief tenure here, those guys are going to play as many minutes as possible only sitting down when they get tired or in foul trouble or if there's a major mismatch in favor of the other team. However, we know Roy isn't going to play 35 minutes and we also know that Wallace and Sapp are not great defenders and can get into foul trouble, so there's a need for one front court and one back court sub. Remember - we only went 7 players deep last year and the year before.
The freshmen have a great opportunity to step in over last year's other bench players because last year's bench consisted of players JTIII obviously didn't think were good enough to see the floor over Sapp and Owens (not exactly all-stars themselves). My guess is that Rivers becomes the first guard off the bench (we'll need ball-handling) and Summers is the other guy to get significant minutes because of his versatility. Nobody else will average more than 4 mpg in Big East play. Wallace and Green will likely/hopefully average something like 36mpg each.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 1, 2006 10:10:31 GMT -5
Ewing scored 4 points and 3 rebounds in Big Ten play. As a sophomore. He did play around 15 minutes per game, though.
Sapp has similar credentials. While the freshmen are more uncertain, and I expect both Ewing and Sapp to start (at least initially), neither has set a bar a freshman or other backup cannot beat.
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Post by hoyas2008 on Aug 1, 2006 10:21:48 GMT -5
Having not seen Kenner, and hence having not seen Rivers, Sapp IMO will start because he is the only guard who has shown he will drive the lane if given the opportunity. If Rivers and/or Crawford can do that as well/better, than it is anybodys time.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Aug 1, 2006 10:47:58 GMT -5
I still haven't seen Ewing, Egerson or Spann this summer. The main thing is that some guys are going to get left out of the mix and the question becomes do they transfer, do they see light at the end of the tunnel, or are they just happy to get a Gtown education and will be happy to ride pine? Our starting five is solid and our frontcourt depth is great. The ballhandling is going to be the big questions along with outside shooting of our subs.
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Dhall
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Post by Dhall on Aug 1, 2006 11:07:55 GMT -5
Agree that Sapp and Ewing (or anybody else for that matter) are not locks for the entire season if they don't perform or worse, if they get injured.
The strength of this team is clearly the frontcourt, so three-point shooting is secondary in all respects - also, when we shot too many 3s last year, we lost. If Wallace can shoot 40% and Green can shoot 35% on 3s, then we are fine and shouldn't need another guy to step in and make those shots.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2006 11:29:03 GMT -5
I have watched JT3 for several years. As to who starts??
In my humble opinion, the ability to play defense is going to be the biggest factor. JT3 is going to look for someone who can shut down the opponent's top scorer. We know that all of these kids can play on the offensive side. I would be prepared for a surprise or two. For example if Spann turns out to be a superior defender, he is going to start.
Just my thoughts
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 1, 2006 11:35:26 GMT -5
I have watched JT3 for several years. As to who starts?? In my humble opinion, the ability to play defense is going to be the biggest factor. JT3 is going to look for someone who can shut down the opponent's top scorer. We know that all of these kids can play on the offensive side. I would be prepared for a surprise or two. For example if Spann turns out to be a superior defender, he is going to start. Just my thoughts There's been some rumors on the "other" board that Tyler is playing the underdog role in the battle for the starting "3" spot. I imagine it is because of his defense, decent three ball and intense play.
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Post by hoyas2008 on Aug 1, 2006 11:36:57 GMT -5
Other board??
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Post by Filo on Aug 1, 2006 11:37:33 GMT -5
Regarding JTII and the short bench:
Right now, I am still of the opinion that those guys who rode the pine last year will probably do so again this year. This means that we will still have a pretty short bench, with the Freshman leap-frogging most of the returning bench players (except Sapp, and I don't consider Ewing a bench player last year).
That is not to say that JTIII is against going more than seven deep. I just think he does not have the players he wants right now to go more than seven deep. As he said after the 'Nova game: "Where we are right now, we need everyone to play well to win. Hopefully in a couple of years, we won't need everyone to play well to win."
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 1, 2006 11:48:45 GMT -5
I think we'll likely go eight deep this year, Filo, but I do agree with you. This year we may be more dependent on two players (Roy and Jeff) than we were last year.
Jeff, Jon, Roy, Ewing, Summers, Macklin, Sapp and whoever wins the third guard spot will definitely get time. I just can't see Macklin or Summers sitting.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Aug 1, 2006 21:56:03 GMT -5
If we're talking SF's and defense, Tay Spann needs to be in the conversation. I've seen all 10 of our SF's play this summer, and Spann gives us the best defense. Unfortunately, he still has an uphill battle for minutes for other reasons, such as his limited perimeter and mid-range game.
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