Scottie Reynolds decision coming today

[TBird41]

Well, can't say it's that big a deal to me. I wanted Reynolds to come here, but that was back when St. Pete and others were spouting all that "Dagger is transfering" crap.

We've got the Dagger--we don't need Reynolds.

[kchoya]

theway said:

I really don't care where he ends up.

Do you know why? Because none of those programs have JTIII as a head coach. Thats why. I could care less about the guy. I can't wait until he signs so hoyatalk can move on. I hope this kid is the 2nd coming of Isiah Thomas or Allen Iverson becaues if he isn't, hoyatalk has wasted loads and loads of time talking about him coming here like he is the Messiah.

Then don't read the thread and don't post about the kid. Jeez, you must have 1000 freakin posts saying you don't care about the thread you just got done reading. It's not like you clicked on a thread titled "Naked Pictures of Erin Andrews" and were fooled in to reading about Scottie Reynolds.

Right now there's a thread about Ahmad Cook (sp?). I'm not interested in reading about the kid, so I don't follow the thread and I certainly don't post in the threads. It's a simple concept. You should try it.

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kchoya said:

Then don't read the thread and don't post about the kid. Jeez, you must have 1000 freakin posts saying you don't care about the thread you just got done reading. It's not like you clicked on a thread titled "Naked Pictures of Erin Andrews" and were fooled in to reading about Scottie Reynolds.

Right now there's a thread about Ahmad Cook (sp?). I'm not interested in reading about the kid, so I don't follow the thread and I certainly don't post in the threads. It's a simple concept. You should try it.

C'mon, kc. You've been here for over two years. You're still trying to reason with the_way?! For shame...

[dkr354]

2 good things about this commitment to Nova. 1: it confirms what we already suspected that Lowry is gone thus solidifying us as the undisputed #1 team in the Big East next season, at least before the games start. 2. it takes another school, and possibly the biggest competition, out of the race for chris wright. reynolds could not come to georgetown because of the current scholarship situation but another year means a ton of things can happen and if JTIII is recruiting Chris Wright hard enough to have him list us as the leader, he must know something we don't. A verbal commitment does not mean he already takes up a scholarship. A whole year can go by and someone will either transfer or jump to the NBA. Bring on the best backcourt in the country for 3 or 4 years with Wright and Freeman. what a joke for us

[theEDGEfactor]

dkr those are two great points...the chances of nova landing wright are very minimal

[VelvetElvis]

kchoya said:

theway said:

I really don't care where he ends up.

Do you know why? Because none of those programs have JTIII as a head coach. Thats why. I could care less about the guy. I can't wait until he signs so hoyatalk can move on. I hope this kid is the 2nd coming of Isiah Thomas or Allen Iverson becaues if he isn't, hoyatalk has wasted loads and loads of time talking about him coming here like he is the Messiah.

Then don't read the thread and don't post about the kid. Jeez, you must have 1000 freakin posts saying you don't care about the thread you just got done reading. It's not like you clicked on a thread titled "Naked Pictures of Erin Andrews" and were fooled in to reading about Scottie Reynolds.

Right now there's a thread about Ahmad Cook (sp?). I'm not interested in reading about the kid, so I don't follow the thread and I certainly don't post in the threads. It's a simple concept. You should try it.

oooohh....FACE!

clearly _way gets paid to read and post on hoyatalk since he sees this thread as such a waste of time when everything else on here can be considered scripture.

_way, do you have any pull where you work? I would LOVE a gig like that!

[RBHoya]

I was happy to see Scottie pick Nova.

A great show of class and integrity by JTIII, IMO.

There is no doubt in my mind that Scottie wanted to be a Hoya first and foremost, as soon as Sampson lefto. Was reported all over. III easily could have told one of his less-utilized underclassmen that they oughta seek a team elsewhere--there was going to be a McDonalds All American coming in and taking their scholarship. He didn't. He let the players do what they wanted to do, and make their own decisions. IMO, this move could very well bring III some good karma, when J-Dagger proves that he can stroke it at the Big East level, and if we can land Mr. Wright, who is a better prospect than Scottie.

Plus I'm in the boat with Nitro, SF, etc. that Nova's success is good for us. I usually try not to speak in absolute terms, but any point of view that fails to realize that the success of the Catholic/non-football Big East schools, both now AND in the future, is directly tied to the success of Georgetown basketball, is narrow-minded in my point of view. Our best hope is that Georgetown and a few other of the non-football schools (Nova and Marquette are the most likely at the moment) really prove that they are top notch baksetball programs, and we prove to be big enough draws that a conference split never happens (as of right now, its a veritable inevitabilty). If it does, and it probably will, it will be hard, hard, times in Hoya land. A conference full of small schools is not going to get media attention. Recruits are NOT going to be flocking to play in America's 7th best basketball conference like they are to play in Americas best/second best basketball conference. MCI will be like a mausoleum every game, rather than just some. Depaul and SHU just aren't going to sell like UConn and Syracuse, even if Georgetown's team is great. Look at the old attendance figures. We had great teams with weak-average draws for years. Georgetown being good simply isn't enough to draw huge crowds in a town like D.C. with so many other options. We need to be good AND have marquee opponents. And when attendance dips, budget dips, you can't afford the coaches, you lose your recruiters, you cool off on the trail, and the wheels can fall off real quick.

I hate to talk of such negativity at such a great time for the Hoyas, especially when SR's committment is such a small part of that whole thing... Yes, Georgetown's success is most important by a big margin, and the other bball schools are a distant second, but anybody who seriously would prefer that Nova have a bad team rather than a good team simply does not understand how serious the situation is, IMO.

[MCIGuy]

RB, that's been my line of thinking for the past three or four years. Good stuff.

We want teams like Nova, Gtown and, yes, St John's so good and so important to the Big East (media market) that it would be close to suicidal (or at least awfully painful) for the football schools to depart from them (from a basketball standpoint). We want Marquette and DePaul to do their thing as well.

[RockawayHoya]

Agree with all the sentiments that it's good for Reynolds to end up at Nova (last thing we want to do is be like Twerp fans and bash the kid after he chooses another school over us). Best of luck to him .

However, what's with all the "good thing Reynolds isn't coming, so Thornton can play now" posts? I'm going to ask this for the millionth time: what has Thornton shown you at any point that makes you believe he's going to see big minutes next year? He may be a great shooter in practice and have a reputation for being a great shooter, but until we see him play more than 10 minutes a game (and it will be debatable if he does with our incoming class and taking into account who was already ahead of him in the rotation this year), I'm still not sold on relying on him to contribute next year. He'd need as much improvement over this coming summer as Roy made between the last two seasons to even have a shot at getting 20 MPG.

[dkr354]

haha i just noticed all this we got the dagger talk from everybody. i read it on hoyareport all the time but those people are paid to be pro hoyas all the time. i really hope josh thornton turns out to be a great player because that makes Georgetown better but I honestly laugh out loud when I read this stuff by fans that are so optimistic that they say things like Tbird41 did at the top of this page. the kid has done nothing in a hoya uniform. dont be glad a mcdonalds all american didnt come here because we have some guy that played 15 mins last year. look at the real reasons it could be a good thing like i said a few hours ago. sometimes fans are blind

[SFHoya99]

I don't think most of us are blind, although massive paragraphs without punctuation will sometimes do that to people.

Tbird was certainly playing the bit of a homer, but there's several good reasons to expect some good things out of Thorton this year.

1) When he did get to play, he was obviously very quick and seemed to have a nice handle.
2) Reports of his shot are excellent.
3) The reported and obvious weaknesses in his game are improvable. Josh seemed to force things at a pace that the team didn't play at, both from Kenner reports and in the limited gameplay I saw. And he isn't a big kid. A summer in the weight room and better decision-making aren't too much to ask.
4) There's something to be said for continuity in this system. Most of the team took a year/year and a half. Let's give Josh some time as well.

Do I think he will start? No. But he can contribute. As for your comment: "the kid has done nothing in a hoya uniform," neither has Scottie Reynolds, Chris Wright, Pat Ewing, DaJuan Summers, Vernon Macklin, Jeremiah Rivers...

Lack of minutes at the college level doesn't eliminate ability to project.

I'm not saying Josh is better than Chris or Scottie. I dunno, and there's certainly a lot of people out there who say he isn't. What I am saying is that even a small glimpse of Josh shows some nice positives, and I think he can be a very good contributor for us if he works.

[TBird41]

I never said that Reynolds not come so the Dagger could play, I said that since the Dagger isn't going anywhere, we don't need Reynolds. Sorry if I'd prefer that our players not transfer and get time to grow and learn the system. Just because they didn't play the year before doesn't mean that they can't be very valuable this year--Charles Smith anyone?

[GIGAFAN99]

We have four possibilities at the third guard spot and all of them are likely as good as a 6'0 freshman. This is NO SLIGHT on Reynolds who is a very good player and any school would love to have. But as far as just next year, it is unlikely Reynolds would be appreciably better immediately than all four options we have at the bench guard spot.

Someone will win that spot and give us very good minutes. Will it be Thornton? Nobody knows, but it's not out of the question.

As SF said, to discount Thornton because he hasn't done anything in a Hoya uniform and then assume Reynolds would be a lights out freshman based on high school performance is a little bit ridiculous. We'd all love to have Scottie but we simply had no scholarships available. Those schollies are filled by talented players with more strength and experience than any freshman. So can you really say we're "hurt" this year by not getting Scottie?

[MCIGuy]

The only thing laughbale is how a bunch of McDAA-worshipping groupies automatically think Scottie Reynolds is destined to be a great player simply because of his high school ranking. And of course these same folks dismiss Thornton because he hasn't proven anything to them as of yet. Well, what the heck have Summers, Macklin, Rivers or even my boy Ewing proven as Hoyas? Answer: nothing. Just because Thornton and Egerson and Spann hardly saw playing time does not mean they can't play. And frankly I have more trust in a soph like Thornton, with one year of the system under his belt, being able to contribute than I do for a freshman like Scottie. This isn't to say Thornton will be a better player or anything. But lets slow down the roll of placing Scottie in the Hall of Fame. I doubt he's going to be the next Iverson or even the next Chris Jackson. The fact is the Hoyas need outside shooting. And as good as Scottie may be at that, I tend to doubt he's any better at long range shooting than Thornton. Next season he will have his shot to prove his doubters or supporters right.

[GIGAFAN99]

The McD's All-American thing gets me more in light of the fact that Jon Wallace is begging for people to base their opinion of him on what he has done in a Hoya uniform. The guy's a two-year starter and led the team in three-point shooting and assists during the conference season and he still wears a big red "W" for "walk-on" half the time when being discussed as part of a "suspect" backcourt even though he is now on scholarship.

[RockawayHoya]

I hope I'm not being lumped into a group of people who'd prefer hype over hard work, considering I was one who was defending Wallace all year when he was being criticized for being too slow/too small/whatever after losses.

Let's get one thing straight: I never said Thornton wasn't good enough to improve, I was just merely saying we shouldn't be getting our hopes up to see big contributions out of him next year, and that my feelings were based on what I observed this year, which was him barely seeing the floor. I have a lot more faith that Sapp and Egerson will see more time this upcoming season than Thornton and Crawford. If he improves enough to see consistent PT next year, that'd be great, and I'd be genuinely happy for him. But I've seen nothing out of him that would make me definitively say "Oh well, we don't need a McD AA... we have Thornton!" Doesn't mean Reynolds is destined to become a great player simply because he's highly touted coming out of HS, but I'm not going to sit here and say I'd 100% rather have an 10th or 11th man from last year's squad who played a handful of meaningful minutes all year than a McD AA.

Having said all that, the most important thing is that he still wears our jersey, and as long as he does, I want to see him succeed. Personally, I'd also prefer to see him develop and become a solid player somewhere down the line for us. But I have my doubts, and I'm not sure why it'd be wrong to have a viewpoint other than full fledged optimism regarding Thornton.

Agree totally with posts about MCD AA's being overhyped more often than not. We seemed do to pretty well last year without a single one on the roster. If we get them, that's great (obviously, it's better to have more talented players than less talented). But a player's game more often than not is determined by how much he improves while at college. That requires talent, a willingness to learn and work hard, and proper tutelage. Talent (i.e. being a McD AA) is only one part of the equation.

[SFHoya99]

gigafan99 said:

The McD's All-American thing gets me more in light of the fact that Jon Wallace is begging for people to base their opinion of him on what he has done in a Hoya uniform. The guy's a two-year starter and led the team in three-point shooting and assists during the conference season and he still wears a big red "W" for "walk-on" half the time when being discussed as part of a "suspect" backcourt even though he is now on scholarship.

I don't think the Scarlet W is why people constantly question Wallace. I just think it is the way people compare players.

Almost invariably, when people compare players, they compare them as if they were playing a game of 1 on 1.

In that, JW falls short. Or at least it seems like he would. He wouldn't beat 90% of the guards in the BE, our intuition tells us.

Look at a player like Jerel McNeal. More physically talented than Wallace, and I bet in a game of one on one, McNeal takes him most games. He's got the better dribble drive game and he's a plus defender in man to man.

Now look at them in the context of their own teams, knowing that neither was asked last year to be their team's primary offensive creator (or arguably secondary).

Wallace - Orating of 116.2; Shot % of 15.6; Assist 20.7
McNeal - Orating of 87.7; Shot % of 25.1; Assist 19.8

Now, I like Jerel McNeal. I think he's going to be real good, and he's already a better defender than Wallace and a better rebounder.

But man, on a team where he should've been the third option at best, McNeal was atrocious offensively. Then he compounded it by using as many possessions as teammate Dominic James -- more than ultra-efficient Steve Novak.

Wallace, meanwhile, was the team's fifth or sixth option but simply didn't press. He is complementary player (aside from intangibles) but the important thing is that he plays that role very, very well (much like DJ).

He takes heat because he isn't a creator, and he plays PG. So when we struggle, no one blames the people who were supposed to create (Jeff, Roy, Brandon, Ashanti). A PG is supposed to create, right?

But Jon is good if you don't need that. It will be interesting to see how he does this year with two of those creators gone. Will we need more creation from Jon?

[GIGAFAN99]

I was thinking that but you know what, I've setled on the fact that the big, quick guard in the starting lineup is in fact Sapp. Their games are very complementary. If someone told you that in the Princeton set you had a good outside shooter who knows the offense inside and out and an athletic NYC guard who can get to the basket as the starting lineup, I'd take that in a second.

Plus the excitable Mr. Ewing will give us another creator. I think this lineup falls perfectly for Jon to continue to excel by running the show outside while Jeff runs things from the post.

[JohnJacquesLayup]

sfhoya99 said:

gigafan99 said:

But Jon is good if you don't need that. It will be interesting to see how he does this year with two of those creators gone. Will we need more creation from Jon?

First, I want to just say that we're not going to have a 6-7 man rotation in most games, IMO. I see the 3 spots opened by BB, DO and Cook filled by Sapp, Crawford, Edge, Mack, PE, Summers, etc. We have a deep bench and as long as the new guys can grasp the system we're in good shape.

But in regards to Wallace, the only thing I'd like to see more from him was the style of play he showed against Duke. He had at least 2-3 quick drives right down the lane, and who couldn't like the spin move? Maybe it takes the competition of one of the best teams in the nation to bring that out of you, feeling like you've got nothing to lose, but he CAN and HAS played like that before. There's no reason he can't burn guards off the dribble more consistently. His outside shot will only get better if he adds that element to his game.

Oh yeah . . . Scottie Reynolds. Sorry ;D

[Filo]

boz1 said:

sfhoya99 said:

Not me. Nova's not the enemy.

That's just crazy talk, right there.

Nova not the enemy? They stone people in some parts of the world for saying things like that.

LOL. Well, I guess I am living in the past, but I just can't be happy for 'Nova. Funny thing is, my rooting against them hasn't had any effect on them, though. Seems to me that they don't really need me to root for them in order to succeed. Hmmmm.