YB
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Post by YB on Mar 11, 2006 9:40:22 GMT -5
I said they could be thought of as the biggest losers depending on how the Tourney goes... on GU's worst team in 30 years... countless last second losses.... blowing large leads a lot...
I know FTs were a big part of this game, and they could be explained by fatigue. But if I were them, I would not think my place in GU's history is yet cemented. I'd put together a run to cement it.
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Joe Hoya
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Post by Joe Hoya on Mar 11, 2006 15:40:22 GMT -5
No Ed, I wouldn't milk the clock down to ten before I even moved in the direction of the basket. I certainyl agree with taking time off, but not to the point that we did it. When you have a team down by 15, you have to put them down by 20. When they're down 20, push it to 30. Don't stop attacking. Don't stand around and watch the seconds tick away. Someone made the excellent analogy to the prevent defense either above or in a different thread.
Basically, when you try to milk clock for 15 minutes, first your offense tightens up, then your throats.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Mar 11, 2006 15:45:57 GMT -5
A question to the board: if you were coaching this team and had a 15 point lead at the half, would'nt you have tried to slow the game down and milk the clock as much as you could before taking a shot? I would. The free throws killed us, not coaching. Ed, you make a great point. Particularly in the last 2 minutes where we milked the clock once, and got 2 offensive rebounds to take off more clock.The strategy was perfect. And it worked, except for the fact our players didn't hold up their end of the bargain. They couldn't make free throws. Our problem wasn't strategy on the coaching staff. Our problem was the fact that the players didn't execute that strategy and let fatigue take over them. Syracuse was just as tired, but they overcame it. That is something we HAVE to learn. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 11, 2006 15:53:53 GMT -5
We have 3 seniors among our top 6 players; Syracuse has one. How is it that they have learned it, but we haven't?
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 11, 2006 15:58:52 GMT -5
It might have been a matter of we got to the point, where we were afraid to lose with the big(?) 15 point lead. In the first two games we played our best, when we were behind. When you get up 15, and it is not yet a 20+ point lead, there is a danger that you are protecting the lead too much. Once you have lost that aggressiveness, you tend to play into the other team's plan. We should have kept two scoreboards. One the overall, but the other the score of the second half. Once we fell behind in the second half scoreboard, we should have kicked it up a notch.  |
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Post by the_way on Mar 11, 2006 16:27:33 GMT -5
We have 3 seniors among our top 6 players; Syracuse has one. How is it that they have learned it, but we haven't? Our seniors, are really freshman when it comes to being battle-tested in clutch situations. McNamara was doing his thing in the Final Four as a freshman. None of our seniors have been to the NCAA tournament. THAT is what Jim Boeheim was referring to about McNamara in his tirade about not winning "10 bleepin games this year. The other guys aren't ready. They needed him". The stats aren't may not be there, but the intangibles are. Are guys aren't there yet, we are still learning. |
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Post by mapei on Mar 11, 2006 17:03:28 GMT -5
I'm all for slowing the game down when we have a 10+ point lead with five minutes or less left.
But I'm not for spending an entire half just passing the ball back and forth in the backcourt and never really running a play until desperation time. If we had a player who could create, maybe. But we don't.
That said, I'm not sure we were *trying* to slow the game down. I think Syracuse tightened up their defense and we just had NO answer, no scheme, no plan B, as someone else posted. Our players never saw anyone open, and didn't have the confidence to do anything else. Everything has to pretty much fall in place perfectly for our offense to work. When it's not working, it's really ugly, and we have nothing else to try.
Whose fault is that? I don't know. Maybe we just don't have players who are athletic enough to do anything else. Or maybe our coaches are too inflexible. I'm not sure I can tell. But I sure can tell when it isn't working.
Yes, we still would have won if we could have made our FTs. But that's been an inconsistently all season, too. We're not good enough defensively to play a game that generates no field goals while depending on making FTs to win, unfortunately.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 11, 2006 20:31:27 GMT -5
We have 3 seniors among our top 6 players; Syracuse has one. How is it that they have learned it, but we haven't? Our seniors, are really freshman when it comes to being battle-tested in clutch situations. McNamara was doing his thing in the Final Four as a freshman. None of our seniors have been to the NCAA tournament. THAT is what Jim Boeheim was referring to about McNamara in his tirade about not winning "10 bleepin games this year. The other guys aren't ready. They needed him". The stats aren't may not be there, but the intangibles are. Are guys aren't there yet, we are still learning. Let's at least call it for what it is - we choked, plain and simple. It wasn't "fatigue", it was a good old-fashioned tight collar job. And this was the BET, not the NCAA's - our seniors have been there 3 times before. |
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Post by lichoya68 on Mar 11, 2006 23:39:51 GMT -5
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Post by Omega on Mar 12, 2006 8:59:56 GMT -5
All of you need to just be quiet! All this talk about being outcoached is just foolishness. Its so sad that most of you have nothing better to do than live and die with what a bunch of 18yrs old do. They LOST, get over it!
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Post by wrestlemania on Mar 12, 2006 11:30:42 GMT -5
Our seniors, are really freshman when it comes to being battle-tested in clutch situations. McNamara was doing his thing in the Final Four as a freshman. None of our seniors have been to the NCAA tournament. THAT is what Jim Boeheim was referring to about McNamara in his tirade about not winning "10 bleepin games this year. The other guys aren't ready. They needed him". The stats aren't may not be there, but the intangibles are. Are guys aren't there yet, we are still learning. Let's at least call it for what it is - we choked, plain and simple. It wasn't "fatigue", it was a good old-fashioned tight collar job. And this was the BET, not the NCAA's - our seniors have been there 3 times before. No, Way has it exactly right -- for example, do you really believe that the 1st round loss to BC two years ago prepared the seniors for anything other than the ride home? Sure, maybe they gagged a bit, but virtually everyone on this board seems to overrate this team's talent and experience. They lose a tight game to a pretty good Syracuse team and it's as if Duke lost to Monmouth College. JTIII had to undo a lot of crap within the program when he arrived, and thus far the results are there -- he's made the guys he didn't recruit a lot better than they really are. Today is a big day -- try to enjoy it.  |
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 12, 2006 12:43:20 GMT -5
This thread is garbage. The notion that we were outcoaching is beyond absurd. We're not exactly the first team that has been slowed down by the SU zone. Our guys needed to make more plays at the end. They didn't. We lost. To throw this on the coaches is a joke. We didn't delay our way out of the win. The delay is our game; we win by it and lose by it based on our execution within it. Look, our senior PG made a couple of bad plays at the end. The game ended in an ugly fashion. But that does NOT mean that the coaches screwed up.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 12, 2006 12:47:20 GMT -5
We were absolutely outcoached. Did you see when Boeheim called that "Well we can't score on them so I'm going to let Gerry just jack up shots and bring us back" play? Genius.
I do think we got tentative and there was no excuse for the defense on Mcnamara with 48 seconds left. But it's moot if we hit our FTs.
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Post by Filo on Mar 12, 2006 13:56:41 GMT -5
You know, I have no problem with the frustration and the Monday-morning quarterbacking (I have done plenty of it myself), but to post here that these seniors might be the biggest losers, or could potentially be if they don't do OK in the tournament, is:
1. Just plain stupid. We are playing in the NCAAs this year for the first time in five years. We have been in the NCAAs once since the 1996/1997 season. Just plain ignorant.
2. Mean-spirtited and completely obnoxious. Especially coming from one poster who took so much umbrage at his "kids" being insulted during a half-time show. Grow up!
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