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Post by Iverson Ct. Hoya on Mar 1, 2006 15:04:31 GMT -5
I posted on Monday that the ticket office was filling my order and sending them out soon. I received a call yesterday that only half my order was being filled (2 of 4) and the that the donation cut off was $1,900. I have no idea where that # comes from or if it's anywhere close to the actual # used.
Very frustrating that the ticket office has some organizational issues (see the 'Nova ticket thread), but i'll trade those issues for a successful program.
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Post by MassHoya on Mar 1, 2006 15:30:27 GMT -5
Iverson, thanks for the heads up. I did not get a call, but that is not unusual with the Ticket Office.
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Post by Madgesdiq on Mar 1, 2006 16:00:42 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2006 16:03:18 GMT -5
Yeah, it does. Unfortunately, we got good fast and demand went up while supply went down (16 teams now, rather than 12). Of course a simple "If Available" solves everything. Don't be surprised if donation levels will be higher for everything next year....
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Post by SoCal Hoya85 on Mar 1, 2006 16:07:33 GMT -5
Just wanted to fill in those who are interested about the scene this morning. I got to McDonough around 7AM and was #35. Only 42 tickets were sold. I'd say maybe 20-30 people were turned away, maybe more. Heard some stories about people at the front of the line sleeping out and some coming around 4-5AM. Certainly a different scene than in the past 2 years. I'd usually arrive 20 min early and be around #7. If I didn't have 2 midterms today I would've gone out earlier, but I needed some sleep. Also, less tickets were sold this year. I believe that they didn't get as many tickets due to the "new Big East." We didn't camp out but we did get there at 5AM and it was freezing. Fortunately some nice football coach let us in around 6ish. I was neurotic about getting there early enough to get these tickets since my spring break depended on them. It worked out well though and the trade off of sleep versus tickets was really a no brainer.
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Post by jahidihoya on Mar 1, 2006 17:55:49 GMT -5
I post something like this every year...
BE VERY CAREFUL BUYING AND SELLING TICKETS ON THE STREET AT MSG!
I was in full Jahidi gear a couple of years ago when I saw a guy selling tickets. He was clearly a student that was simply trying to get back what he paid. I walked up and asked him "where are they? how much?". The kid explained it and before I said another word a random guy flashes a badge. He was an undercover cop. He gave the kid a summons to appear in court for scalping. Here's the kicker... he gave one to me as well (the crime - "soliciation" - that was a tough one to explain to Mrs. Jahidi)! I never even expressed an intent to buy them.
I had to go all the way back to NYC to appear in court about a month later. It was thrown out so long as I did not do anything illegal in NYC for 6 months (well, at least not get caught for anything illegal).
There were a lot of other fans from the BET in court that day. Many had to fly back into town or else risk getting a warrant sent out for them!
I still bought a scalped ticket that day. I am not saying to avoid buying from scalpers.. just be careful. I also suspect that others on this board have stories about counterfeit tickets. Be careful out there!
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Post by NickSixers on Mar 1, 2006 18:00:22 GMT -5
I post something like this every year... BE VERY CAREFUL BUYING AND SELLING TICKETS ON THE STREET AT MSG! I was in full Jahidi gear a couple of years ago when I saw a guy selling tickets. He was clearly a student that was simply trying to get back what he paid. I walked up and asked him "where are they? how much?". The kid explained it and before I said another word a random guy flashes a badge. He was an undercover cop. He gave the kid a summons to appear in court for scalping. Here's the kicker... he gave one to me as well (the crime - "soliciation" - that was a tough one to explain to Mrs. Jahidi)! I never even expressed an intent to buy them. I had to go all the way back to NYC to appear in court about a month later. It was thrown out so long as I did not do anything illegal in NYC for 6 months (well, at least not get caught for anything illegal). There were a lot of other fans from the BET in court that day. Many had to fly back into town or else risk getting a warrant sent out for them! I still bought a scalped ticket that day. I am not saying to avoid buying from scalpers.. just be careful. I also suspect that others on this board have stories about counterfeit tickets. Be careful out there! That's quite a story Jahidi. The only times I've gone was the last 2 years and I've had student tickets. As well, the early days hadn't sold out, but I still saw scalpers IN the box office. Always laughed about that. Good thing I got tickets today or I wouldve been scalping. Thanks for the education Jahidi.
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Post by Madgesdiq on Mar 1, 2006 18:02:54 GMT -5
Yeah, it does. Unfortunately, we got good fast and demand went up while supply went down (16 teams now, rather than 12). Of course a simple "If Available" solves everything. Don't be surprised if donation levels will be higher for everything next year.... The "if seats are available" is clearly stated under the Silver Hoya, Bulldog and Century Club levels of giving. There is absolutely no question that the Hoop Club induces members to join the Golden Hoya level with the promise of the ability to purchase 2 Big East tickets, not 2 BE tickets "if seats are available." In fact, I received a letter "signed" by JT3 at the beginning of the season asking me to increase my donation level to the Golden Hoya level. Included with his letter, was the chart indictating that becoming a Golden Hoya would enable me to purchase 2 Big East tickets. There is no grey area here. Let me guarantee you something. Next week at the Southgate Hotel or whatever name that hellhole has been changed to, there will be a member of the Athletic Department ticket office standing there with extra tickets to individual games and several extra books of tickets. He/she will sell the extra tickets first come/first serve to the sloped headed ingrates from the backwoods of Connecticut or upstate NY who are lined up outside the Jefferson Room just to get rid of them, while alumni who donate to the Georgetown Athletic Department and the Hoop Club under the expectation of being able to purchase Big East tickets are left out in the cold. Hell hath no fury like a Golden Hoya scorned.
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Post by g2 on Mar 1, 2006 18:19:13 GMT -5
If they had open seats wouldn't they distribute them already? I'll guess that there will be none at the hotel, period.
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Post by Madgesdiq on Mar 1, 2006 18:34:21 GMT -5
If they had open seats wouldn't they distribute them already? I'll guess that there will be none at the hotel, period. You would think so, but I will guarantee you that there will be tickets at the hotel. There always are. They will be doled out first come first serve without any consideration to getting them to alumni or students who have been shut out. I have personally seen tickets sold to fans of opposing teams to otherwise sold out games when Hoop Club members have been told that there are no tickets after floating their $700 interest free to the school for 6 months. Someone should consider making a Michael Moore type documentary about this travesty. I'll bring the camera, you dress up as the Rutgers "Scarlet Knight" mascot and I will film you buying tickets to a Georgetown-Rutgers first round Big East tourney game at which dozens of Hoop Club members have been shut out.
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Mar 1, 2006 18:41:48 GMT -5
i was told that the tickets that are sold the day of the game are unclaimed student and alumni tix. is that not true? either way, they should make it a priority to get them to gtown fans. i have seen them sell to opposing fans, as well. it's BS.
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Post by Madgesdiq on Mar 1, 2006 22:15:00 GMT -5
Upon further rumination, I believe that the Hoya Hoop Club may have created an enforceable contract to provide Big East tickets to Hoya Hoop Club members at the Golden Hoya level.
I have a letter from JT3 telling me what my donation as a Silver Hoya helped provide for the basketball program and encouraging me to increase my donation level to the Golden Hoya level to help further support the program. As an inducement to increase my donation level, I was explained the benefits of becoming a Golden Hoya, the most enticing of which was the promise of the ability to purchase 2 tickets to the Big East tournament without the "(if seats are available)" disclaimer.
In the end, I purchased a $1,500 Hoya Hoop Club Polo Shirt and some old goat from Waterbury is going to score as many tickets he wants to the Big East tournament from the Hoya hospitality suite while those of us Hoya Hoop Club who have day jobs and can't loiter at Niall's drinking bloody mary's at 9:00 a.m. on a wednesday get shut out.
Sorry, but I am not done venting about this one yet.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 1, 2006 23:08:58 GMT -5
Madge, complain to the HHC. Contact them -- they may find a way to fix this. (Not saying don't post here, just more productive if this issue is raised to someone who can fix it).
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Post by Bay99 on Mar 1, 2006 23:56:23 GMT -5
This seems like a PR nightmare for the Hoop Club. I haven't hit the Golden era yet, but membership benefits clearly state that 1K and up is entitled to 2 BET tickets. Given that BET tickets are one of the main selling points of HHC membership (and the centerpiece of tangible benefits for out-of-town donors), this seems like an ugly situation.
Various other things from this thread and the student tix thread:
-Echo other sentiments/war stories to be careful with tickets on the street. I've bought plenty of BET seats outside the Garden, in the Southgate, Penn, Niles, etc...and haven't had any first-hand war stories. But friends and acquaintances have had trouble with police and counterfeiters. Just last year at a bar near MSG we sat at a table next to some West Virginia fans who had paid well over face value for four fakes right in front of the Garden. It happens all the time and they'll turn you away from the gate without so much as a sorry. On that note, if you are buying "second-hand" I'd put as much faith in a TicketFast ticket as Enron stock. Not worth the risk.
-The GU table at the Southgate: I have to concur that in the recent past they haven't exactly been discerning who they sell available tickets to. But it would seem like this year there will be no extra tickets. If there are and a student ID or check of the HHC membership rolls isn't required for purchase, then let the outrage ensue.
-40 student tickets is a travesty. I know that's not GU's fault, but that is ridiculous. Seems like 100 should be a bare starting point. Although, if I can don my increasingly crotchety old man hat for a moment, I did sleep on the lobby floor of McDonough for my freshman year (1996) BET ticket. I hope the 5 a.m. crowd enjoys the sweet sounds of my very tiny violin as it plays just for them.
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Post by Madgesdiq on Mar 2, 2006 6:31:13 GMT -5
Madge, complain to the HHC. Contact them -- they may find a way to fix this. (Not saying don't post here, just more productive if this issue is raised to someone who can fix it). good advice, and i plan on doing so, but i thought expressing my thoughts here would give others an idea of what is going on, and provide an open forum for discussion for those in a similar position. have hotel room, no ticket. believe me, i am going to make myself clear, that if even 1 ticket is sold in the hospitality suite without first phoning HHC members who were promised tickets and shut out, to quote bay99, outrage will ensue.
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Post by Fan Of The Game on Mar 2, 2006 8:17:06 GMT -5
Obviously you're right...you were promised something and the Hoop Club can't deliver. I guess the question would be whether the events leading to GoldHoya level being excluded from getting BET tickets was foreseeable or not. The Hoop Club tickets being reduced due to new Big East teams...that was forseeable. The interest in Hoop Club members wanting to go to the BET going up because of our increased level of play...that was foreseeable. I guess the question is whether our ticket allocation from the Big East dropped below what would be considered predictable in which case the Hoop Club can't really do anything about it. Or if the Duke win increased the interest level to a level that was unpredictable.
At the end of the day, I think we can all agree that the Hoop Club shouldn't have made a promise they couldn't deliver, I just don't know whether their promise was unreasonable or whether events conspired against them this year.
If the athletic department had decided to make good on their promise to Gold Hoyas, they probably could have...however they would have had to have taken them from the 57 student season tickets. In which case this thread would be much shorter and the student season ticket thread much longer.
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Post by tgo on Mar 2, 2006 9:57:57 GMT -5
FOTG, taking student tickets and giving them to hhc people would likely make most happy but it still wouldnt be fulfilling their obligation since it would be a different ticket than what is promised in the materials, being only for GU games rather than all 6 sessions. Tickets are finite, and unless the HHC was prepared to go around buying up other schools tickets at what ever price the market would bear, they should never promise tickets to anyone at any level, unless they were planning on turning away new donations once they got to certain point, which of course would be insane, the most it should do is say something about what level donation has historically been able to secure tickets. Once the number of donors who had been guaranteed tickets met the expected supply from the big east, every donor after that point should have been told that they were not guaranteed tickets and at that point should have been offered the opportunity to have their check returned. while that is tough to do, it would have been the only ethical approach. Who ever is ultimately in charge of this ticket fiasco should publically apologize to all members who didnt get tickets but donated more than $1000, and offer to send back their money. i doubt many will take them up on this since if you are at that level you love the school & the team but it would go a long way PR wise i think.
I had planned to try and up my donation this year to $1000, thankfully i didnt.
Madgesdiq, whether you want your $ back or not, you should ask for it and see what they say, i would be interested in reading your post after that conversation with McDonough
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Post by Iverson Ct. Hoya on Mar 2, 2006 11:29:26 GMT -5
Madgesdiq, I'm also interested in what you find out. My father got shut out of tix, Golden Hoya level AND season ticket holder (5 seats!) since the mid 70s.
I did receive my tix today, section 335. anyone else get them today?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Mar 2, 2006 11:31:27 GMT -5
If the HHC promised tix, they need to folow through.
Even if it means going on Ebay at a loss.
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Post by Madgesdiq on Mar 2, 2006 13:30:18 GMT -5
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