CO_Hoya
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Post by CO_Hoya on Feb 24, 2006 22:55:13 GMT -5
See previous thread. Damning quote from the NY Times article: Last year, Lutheran sent at least 11 players to Division I, including two each to Mississippi State, Texas-El Paso and Tennessee-Chattanooga. Other former Lutheran students play for Washington State, Middle Tennessee State and Temple. Omar Williams and Maureece Rice are key players for No. 6 George Washington. The freshman Marc Egerson plays for No. 23 Georgetown.
Don Haman, Egerson's coach at Glasgow High School in Delaware, said Egerson earned a core-course G.P.A. under 2.0, scored in the 600's on his combined SAT and never graduated from Glasgow before going to Lutheran.
"I wonder about it myself," Mr. Haman said of Egerson's acceptance to Georgetown. "But I can't say anything if he gets the score and gets into school." |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 25, 2006 2:38:35 GMT -5
Both Anthony Perry and Darrel Owens were partial qualifiers. I don't know their GPAs or test scores. (And frankly, I think Don Haman just broke the law in revealing Egerson's). But Perry graduated in four years and DJ is getting his graduate degree.
If Marc wants to work for it, he can get it. I think it is ridiculous that the Times would identify an individual with his GPA and scores.
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Post by BurleithBeast on Feb 25, 2006 2:46:50 GMT -5
Why is it ridiculous for a newspaper to report facts it has gathered?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 25, 2006 2:52:34 GMT -5
Why is it ridiculous for a newspaper to report facts it has gathered? Well, one it is illegal to reveal a students' transcript without consent. But aside from that, is their point to attack Philly Lutheran or Marc? Couldn't they have accomplished their goal without calling out an individual? I'm guessing so. Maybe ridiculous is the wrong word. Maybe they just lack a sense of decency. |
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Post by BurleithBeast on Feb 25, 2006 3:04:27 GMT -5
It's the coach that violated FERPA, not the newspaper.
I'd say they have a pretty good reason to print it--a 600 SAT is the sort of thing that sticks in people's minds. Illustrates the issue pretty well, doesn't it? One editor I know calls it an "Oh sh**!" quote.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 25, 2006 3:10:34 GMT -5
It's the coach that violated FERPA, not the newspaper. I'd say they have a pretty good reason to print it--a 600 SAT is the sort of thing that sticks in people's minds. Illustrates the issue pretty well, doesn't it? One editor I know calls it an "Oh sh**!" quote. That's fine. Do you have to identify the individual? It's a lack of common decency. |
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Post by BurleithBeast on Feb 25, 2006 3:37:51 GMT -5
Well, Marc is an adult, and there's no reason why he shouldn't be named. The Times would be more ethically suspect if they didn't name him, IMO--the coach went on the record, whether he should have or not.
My only beef is that they didn't run a "no comment" from Shapland, like the Post did. Marc should have been (and might have been) offered a chance to confirm/dispute/amplify/correct what his coach said. (Not that Shapland would actually let him do that if he wanted, but still...)
It sucks for the program that he was named. But I don't see "common decency" as a good defense against this coming to light.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 25, 2006 3:39:21 GMT -5
I don't really care about how it looks for Georgetown. I care that there's inevitable crap that Marc has to take that he shouldn't have to.
I personally think he was needlessly identified. I know a lot of people think there's no place for common decency in their cutthroat workplace. I disagree.
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Post by michiganhoya on Feb 25, 2006 7:46:02 GMT -5
Well, let's hope that Marc proves them all wrong.
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Post by reformation on Feb 25, 2006 9:23:31 GMT -5
I feel bad for Egerson + it makes GU look very bad again wrt admitting unqualified athletes(possibly with soome justification-we hope but really don't know that GU is doing the right thing)-NYT reporters care only about making a splash with the story and not one bit about the lives of the people they write about. I'm sure that they would say that exposing a flawed system is more impt than one individuals privacy(except when it comes to them). The Times could have had the same effect by saying that his scores were below X without actually naming them
On the other hand I blame the coach more than I blame the times-if I were egerson I might consider
pressing charges on him.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Feb 25, 2006 9:29:09 GMT -5
Prove. What does he have to prove? Apparently he met the minimal qualifications for being admitted. What follows is entirely up to him, but I don't think it's about "proving" anything. Either you can cut the mustard or you can't.
I appreciate the fact that GU has taken chances with several of its basketball players. Some have been able to make and others have not. I dare say there are students who've been admitted with better than average credentials that weren't able to make it through GU. It happens....
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 25, 2006 11:56:01 GMT -5
Both Anthony Perry and Darrel Owens were partial qualifiers. I don't know their GPAs or test scores. (And frankly, I think Don Haman just broke the law in revealing Egerson's). But Perry graduated in four years and DJ is getting his graduate degree. Neither Perry nor DJ went to prep school. They went immediately from high school to college. Egerson went from a senior in high school to a prep school for his fifth year. Now maybe that was because the partial qualifying option doesn't exist anymore. But it may be evidence that Egerson was in worse shape than either Perry or Owens. |
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 25, 2006 12:03:48 GMT -5
Both Anthony Perry and Darrel Owens were partial qualifiers. I don't know their GPAs or test scores. (And frankly, I think Don Haman just broke the law in revealing Egerson's). But Perry graduated in four years and DJ is getting his graduate degree. Neither Perry nor DJ went to prep school. They went immediately from high school to college. Egerson went from a senior in high school to a prep school for his fifth year. Now maybe that was because the partial qualifying option doesn't exist anymore. But it may be evidence that Egerson was in worse shape than either Perry or Owens. True, but as you said, because partial qualifying isn't an option anymore, players who are borderline or maybe haven't gotten the looks they want, often intentionally don't graduate from high school. Sam Young is an example, I believe. |
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Post by cincyhoya on Feb 25, 2006 12:15:19 GMT -5
Well, Marc is an adult, and there's no reason why he shouldn't be named. The Times would be more ethically suspect if they didn't name him, IMO--the coach went on the record, whether he should have or not. My only beef is that they didn't run a "no comment" from Shapland, like the Post did. Marc should have been (and might have been) offered a chance to confirm/dispute/amplify/correct what his coach said. (Not that Shapland would actually let him do that if he wanted, but still...) It stinks for the program that he was named. But I don't see "common decency" as a good defense against this coming to light. I actually beg to differ - an adult - as a high school senior / college freshman? Seems to be a bit much to expect a young guy to bear that kind of pressure as being publicly called out. The guy's not a professional athlete, he's a college kid. Very low class of the coach to bring this up.. curious what his GPA / SAT was after Lutheran... probably much different. I know people question the "results" of those schools, but the system is what it is. Still say so what - if he gets to GU, gets tutoring and gets through, then good for him. But still, I think sometimes we all get cyncial about the business side of college hoops becasue the the universities it is a business, but have to remember, just as when someone makes a stupid play and we can't understand why, they're still college kids... |
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Post by Cambridge on Feb 25, 2006 14:24:07 GMT -5
Totally classless move by the coach.
Good luck convincing parents in the future that your primary interest is the child's wellfare and not your own professional advancement.
You are a snake and should be banned from coaching at all levels.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Feb 25, 2006 17:56:32 GMT -5
yeah giving away a person's scores like that is completely unacceptable.
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Post by hoyaboy1 on Feb 25, 2006 18:17:21 GMT -5
Well, to change the tone of the thread, I hope we don't go after anyone from these schools anymore.
I like Egerson a lot and am happy he is here, but if I knew then what I do now about Lutheran, I would have been against his recruitment. Hopefully the NCAA cracks down on these basketball/grade-inflation factories.
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Post by mapei on Feb 25, 2006 18:39:17 GMT -5
me too.
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Post by aggypryd on Feb 25, 2006 20:16:13 GMT -5
I just hope he BEASTS in the classroom like I believe he'll BEAST on the court and prove he was worth the schollie...
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Feb 25, 2006 20:20:32 GMT -5
JT3 would not play him if his academics were not in shape. I firmly believe that.
Personally, I would also avoid Philly Lutheran and the other school involved in Egerson's career. There are plenty of others around in the area from which to select talented players.
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