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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Apr 13, 2024 22:23:09 GMT -5
Yeah was curious about Peavy w Styles. Dontrez for buckets and Peavy to lock up? May help Dontrez lock in on what he is good at?
Most intrigued by Drew. I think he is gonna make a jump and earn good minutes on an improved team.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 13, 2024 22:23:27 GMT -5
Addresses the most pressing need for this team: on ball defense.
Also adds a veteran presence on a team that is otherwise pretty young.
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Post by thedragon on Apr 13, 2024 22:26:55 GMT -5
Yeah was curious about Peavy w Styles. Dontrez for buckets and Peavy to lock up? May help Dontrez lock in on what he is good at? Most intrigued by Drew. I think he is gonna make a jump and earn good minutes on an improved team. Peavy was the starting 4 for TCU all last season. I think that's his most likely spot this season. As a 1 year stop gap for Fielder. Can also slide to the 3 when Styles out.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Apr 13, 2024 22:31:13 GMT -5
Makes sense. Don't wanna lose Drew so hopefully Ed has him locked in with the plan.
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Post by thedragon on Apr 13, 2024 22:39:10 GMT -5
For those that have wanted a Defensive stopper...
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Post by saxagael on Apr 13, 2024 22:42:28 GMT -5
Yeah was curious about Peavy w Styles. Dontrez for buckets and Peavy to lock up? May help Dontrez lock in on what he is good at? Most intrigued by Drew. I think he is gonna make a jump and earn good minutes on an improved team. I don't know that Styles minutes get eaten as when he got touches from good passes and was open good things happened. Styles had halves with 3 touches or less a few games. He was wide open, but didn't have a player on ball who thought it was a good idea to pass to a wide open player who can knock down shots (I really shouldn't rewatch this season's games). The defensive problems have been biggest at guard and inability to guard bigger guards (in a conference when most guards are bigger and they shoot over like nobody is guarding them). What happens at point this summer may help understand where Peavy fits. Having a point guard who can find open shooters, pass to set shooters with accuracy so they don't have to move to get the ball (something about moving to get the ball for good set shooters causes problems), creates for others, and looks to pass first. This could help Styles, it may also help Epps efficiency (which is poor), It could help Fielder on the wings as a stretch 4 / stretch big, and getting the ball to the middle (need a big in the middle who can catch passes, particularly drop and bounce passes to the middle to keep it from getting picked (Fielder and Sorber can do this). Rewatching some games and Styles was often outsized when defending and was also covering Big East 4s quite a bit - the Bristol, Heath, Epps line-ups (or swap Rowan in for one of these) put Styles in a really bad defensive spot. The PG needs to get sorted, but also a big in the middle who doesn't get moved around and rim protector. Fielder and Sorber can rim protect, but there isn't a big like this who is a Hoya unless Ryan eats a bowl of fire ants and gets an inner fire burning.
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Post by saxagael on Apr 13, 2024 22:45:31 GMT -5
Yeah was curious about Peavy w Styles. Dontrez for buckets and Peavy to lock up? May help Dontrez lock in on what he is good at? Most intrigued by Drew. I think he is gonna make a jump and earn good minutes on an improved team. Peavy was the starting 4 for TCU all last season. I think that's his most likely spot this season. As a 1 year stop gap for Fielder. Can also slide to the 3 when Styles out. You sure? He has been listed at guard and watching game highlights for TCU he is covering guards and wings all game. Coles or Miller most often covered the opposing team's 4. Peavy is also onball a lot on offense up top with guards covering him. TCU largetly played Jameer Nelson Junior (6'1", yet taller than Epps) and 6'7" players and a 6'11" big. Peavy was off ball guard, but could cover on ball / point on offense, and most often covered the best guard or wing.
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Post by thedragon on Apr 13, 2024 23:01:20 GMT -5
Peavy was the starting 4 for TCU all last season. I think that's his most likely spot this season. As a 1 year stop gap for Fielder. Can also slide to the 3 when Styles out. You sure? He has been listed at guard and watching game highlights for TCU he is covering guards and wings all game. Coles or Miller most often covered the opposing team's 4. Peavy is also onball a lot on offense up top with guards covering him. TCU largetly played Jameer Nelson Junior (6'1", yet taller than Epps) and 6'7" players and a 6'11" big. Peavy was off ball guard, but could cover on ball / point on offense, and most often covered the best guard or wing. According to Evan Miya analytics he was the TCU 4 man.
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Post by saxagael on Apr 13, 2024 23:09:26 GMT -5
You sure? He has been listed at guard and watching game highlights for TCU he is covering guards and wings all game. Coles or Miller most often covered the opposing team's 4. Peavy is also onball a lot on offense up top with guards covering him. TCU largetly played Jameer Nelson Junior (6'1", yet taller than Epps) and 6'7" players and a 6'11" big. Peavy was off ball guard, but could cover on ball / point on offense, and most often covered the best guard or wing. According to Evan Miya analytics he was the TCU 4 man. While I really like Evan Miya's analytics a lot, a few teams, like TCU and St. Joe's with a lot of player the same height roles are a bit off. Also a lot of ball the last 5 to 8 years traditional 1 to 5 roles don't exist in D1 nor pros. The PG / on ball guard, with wings / shooters, and a big or rebounding wing, is really common. But, the St. Mary's Gaels commonly with two PGs and one or two shooters (guards or wings), and a big (sometimes two bigs) really makes the 1 to 5 roles really tough to call out. Watching games of TCU, Peavy rarely covers a 4 on defense (alwasy the best guard or wing) and mostly plays up top on offense and occasionally wing.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 13, 2024 23:12:24 GMT -5
Congrats to Micah, his family, Coach Cooley and staff!!! Hoya Saxa!!
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Post by hoyaguy on Apr 13, 2024 23:15:50 GMT -5
Woooooooooo, great news to come home to and check this evening. Also interesting info below:
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 14, 2024 5:21:58 GMT -5
The best thing about Peavy is that he’s a really good defender.
The second best thing is his versatility. I think hes most naturally a 3, but can easily slide up to 2 or down to 4. Gives us a lot of flexibility as we see how the rest of the roster comes together and how quickly some of the young guys are ready to contribute.
I also like the fact that there was no real pre-existing connection to him. He’s not a DMV guy transferring home or a guy who had ties to our staff when they were at PC. We just identified a major need (perimeter defense) and went out and found someone who could help. The fact that we beat some good competition probably speaks well to our NIL offering too.
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Post by daveg023 on Apr 14, 2024 5:36:25 GMT -5
The best thing about Peavy is that he’s a really good defender. The second best thing is his versatility. I think hes most naturally a 3, but can easily slide up to 2 or down to 4. Gives us a lot of flexibility as we see how the rest of the roster comes together and how quickly some of the young guys are ready to contribute. I also like the fact that there was no real pre-existing connection to him. He’s not a DMV guy transferring home or a guy who had ties to our staff when they were at PC. We just identified a major need (perimeter defense) and went out and found someone who could help. The fact that we beat some good competition probably speaks well to our NIL offering too. Well said. This feels like a major win for the staff on selling the program.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Apr 14, 2024 6:59:33 GMT -5
Excellent news. Welcome to Micah Peavy. I have really wanted to get someone to bolster our defense. This is a great start. Having only seen limited experience with his play at TCU, what's the play here? Peavy is a lot like the former Jamari Sibley - great rep out of HS, can rebound and play defense, but doesn't shoot well from outside. In three years with the Horned Frogs, he averaged 8.1 points, 4.1 rebounds, and scored six points against GU last season. Would he play small forward? he is a lockdown perimeter defender that we haven’t had since Trawick. Would’ve been a top 10 defender in the big east this year based on metrics— or as Dr. McClelland would say “matrix”. can defend 4 positions. A perfect addition to a team that is going to start a dynamic, but undersized back court.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Apr 14, 2024 7:29:21 GMT -5
From the description of some here Peavy sounds a bit like OG Anunoby. Is that comparison at all accurate?
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Post by alleninxis on Apr 14, 2024 8:34:30 GMT -5
not saying he can't or won't do it - but Peavy did not play at the 4 at all for TCU.
he is as much a 2/3 as he is a 3/4. I don't think the classification matters with Styles, as I would guess Peavy takes the tougher defensive assignment at the forward spot either way when they're together. Drew is a wildcard in that if he can hold up at the 4, Peavy guarding out on the perimeter is where I think he excels. I think unfortunately for us he has his best value in being able to legit switch 1-4 but we do not seem on a pathway to be constructed to do that, so you in turn I think lose some of his best attribute sadly.
He really was a big part of why TCU switched a ton from what I can tell and often was the point of attack defender (guarded Shead some vs HOU, guarded Dennis vs Baylor etc). That said - again, he opens up lineup versatility - he can play the 3, and he had no problem being a big guard for TCU - from everything I can tell he spent more time at the 2 for them than he ever did at the 4. I actually think 1/Peavy/3/4/5/ is possible, I think 1/2/Peavy/4/5 is obvious and I think 1/2/3/Peavy/C is also possible. should be a great utility guy to have.
I don't think we're getting quite a lockdown defender here but he is very good - and I do think he's capable offensively - will never hunt his own shot or take you out of your offense looking for his - won't have to run a play for him but I think he's evolved enough into a threat where you can't just leave him open and late clock he is someone you can trust to put the ball on the floor and least gives you a chance at making a play. Overall, he should probably be the 4th option on offense for a good Big East team.
referenced this elsewhere, but in Miya's classification for wing defenders who logged as many possessions as him - he ranked 14th best nationally in DBPR - and maybe 6 of those 14 will still be in CBB next year. And TCU defense went from 1.02 when he was on the floor to giving up 1.15 when he was off the floor.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Apr 14, 2024 8:42:05 GMT -5
Yeah. Just like Sibley. They guy who played 3 minutes a game for Ewing and then went to UTEP and Southern Utah? I'm sure Peavy is just like Sibley. That wasn't the reference. Sibley was a Top 100 recruit in the 2020-21 class, on his third school, now averages 9.6 ppg. Peavy was also Top 100 that year. I would lean to his defense as an asset, but TCU was a hard team to figure last season. While not as prolific as boya, your eeyore routine is no less tiresome. hm
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 14, 2024 8:54:03 GMT -5
not saying he can't or won't do it - but Peavy did not play at the 4 at all for TCU. he is as much a 2/3 as he is a 3/4. I don't think the classification matters with Styles, as I would guess Peavy takes the tougher defensive assignment at the forward spot either way when they're together. Drew is a wildcard in that if he can hold up at the 4, Peavy guarding out on the perimeter is where I think he excels. I think unfortunately for us he has his best value in being able to legit switch 1-4 but we do not seem on a pathway to be constructed to do that, so you in turn I think lose some of his best attribute sadly. He really was a big part of why TCU switched a ton from what I can tell and often was the point of attack defender (guarded Shead some vs HOU, guarded Dennis vs Baylor etc). That said - again, he opens up lineup versatility - he can play the 3, and he had no problem being a big guard for TCU - from everything I can tell he spent more time at the 2 for them than he ever did at the 4. I actually think 1/Peavy/3/4/5/ is possible, I think 1/2/Peavy/4/5 is obvious and I think 1/2/3/Peavy/C is also possible. should be a great utility guy to have. I don't think we're getting quite a lockdown defender here but he is very good - and I do think he's capable offensively - will never hunt his own shot or take you out of your offense looking for his - won't have to run a play for him but I think he's evolved enough into a threat where you can't just leave him open and late clock he is someone you can trust to put the ball on the floor and least gives you a chance at making a play. Overall, he should probably be the 4th option on offense for a good Big East team. referenced this elsewhere, but in Miya's classification for wing defenders who logged as many possessions as him - he ranked 14th best nationally in DBPR - and maybe 6 of those 14 will still be in CBB next year. And TCU defense went from 1.02 when he was on the floor to giving up 1.15 when he was off the floor. Great points. When people say 4, I think we are generalizing to ‘big wing’ in Mack, Epps, Styles Peavy line-up vs. a historical 4.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 14, 2024 9:26:53 GMT -5
Yeah was curious about Peavy w Styles. Dontrez for buckets and Peavy to lock up? May help Dontrez lock in on what he is good at? Most intrigued by Drew. I think he is gonna make a jump and earn good minutes on an improved team. Peavy was the starting 4 for TCU all last season. I think that's his most likely spot this season. As a 1 year stop gap for Fielder. Can also slide to the 3 when Styles out. Fielder already had his one year stop gap. Crazy to think you can retain a guy with that upside for coming off the bench two years straight. Too much upside. And then there is McKenna....
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Post by thedragon on Apr 14, 2024 9:42:35 GMT -5
Peavy was the starting 4 for TCU all last season. I think that's his most likely spot this season. As a 1 year stop gap for Fielder. Can also slide to the 3 when Styles out. Fielder already had his one year stop gap. Crazy to think you can retain a guy with that upside for coming off the bench two years straight. Too much upside. And then there is McKenna.... I hear you MCI - but in today's climate of older teams having more success and coming off a 2 win BE season I don't think the staff could afford to have a sophomore and freshman being the plan at the 4.
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