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Post by thedragon on May 6, 2024 22:54:52 GMT -5
I was told Rowan was def headed to a HM. Lol Power six probably saw him as a backup. Of course they did. Like anybody with eyes. I wish Rowan well. He always represented himself well as a Hoya. But it was painfully obvious he wasn't a HM starting PG at least right now and that's with 2 years under his belt. Yet some on here thought he'd be at Nova next year or at one of his other "list" schools that were never gonna happen.
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Post by TC on May 7, 2024 6:28:28 GMT -5
Power six probably saw him as a backup. Of course they did. Like anybody with eyes. I wish Rowan well. He always represented himself well as a Hoya. But it was painfully obvious he wasn't a HM starting PG at least right now and that's with 2 years under his belt. Yet some on here thought he'd be at Nova next year or at one of his other "list" schools that were never gonna happen. I totally thought he'd be at Nova next year - his game fits their system almost perfectly and developmentally they could help him a lot with strength/conditioning. My guess on the reason he's not at a high major is playing time - I think there's an unwillingness to accept the roles that were presented to him. Nova may regret not going after him after Armstrong is staying in the draft.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 7, 2024 8:06:15 GMT -5
I get Tulane isn't a high major but frankly they have been better than us for a few years. Yes, Rowan could use a year or two of seasoning but in the dumb world we live in, no one is willing to foster it and players aren't frequently willing to accept it.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 7, 2024 9:22:44 GMT -5
I get Tulane isn't a high major but frankly they have been better than us for a few years. Yes, Rowan could use a year or two of seasoning but in the dumb world we live in, no one is willing to foster it and players aren't frequently willing to accept it. Agreed. Plus, in this day and age, if Rowan goes to Tulane, gets a lot of minutes and puts up good numbers, he can enter the portal a year from now, be highly sought after, make the jump to a high major and get NIL to boot. Keep in mind he's got 3 years of eligibility left. He has plenty of time to make it back to a high major program if he proves himself at Tulane. I have no specific information on Brumbaugh the person, but given the way portal/NIL madness have unfolded, I'd be shocked if Brumbaugh stays at Tulane for 3 years if he does well there. Dropping down to midmajors (and eventually back up) may very well become a path for players who start at high major schools but struggle, and thus, cannot get minutes at high major programs to prove themselves or develop.
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Post by thedragon on May 7, 2024 9:28:48 GMT -5
Of course they did. Like anybody with eyes. I wish Rowan well. He always represented himself well as a Hoya. But it was painfully obvious he wasn't a HM starting PG at least right now and that's with 2 years under his belt. Yet some on here thought he'd be at Nova next year or at one of his other "list" schools that were never gonna happen. I totally thought he'd be at Nova next year - his game fits their system almost perfectly and developmentally they could help him a lot with strength/conditioning. My guess on the reason he's not at a high major is playing time - I think there's an unwillingness to accept the roles that were presented to him. Nova may regret not going after him after Armstrong is staying in the draft. Nobody will regret not taking Rowan at a HM. It's like folks didnt watch our games .
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Post by EtomicB on May 7, 2024 9:51:27 GMT -5
I totally thought he'd be at Nova next year - his game fits their system almost perfectly and developmentally they could help him a lot with strength/conditioning. My guess on the reason he's not at a high major is playing time - I think there's an unwillingness to accept the roles that were presented to him. Nova may regret not going after him after Armstrong is staying in the draft. Nobody will regret not taking Rowan at a HM. It's like folks didnt watch our games. He wasn't nearly as bad as you're making him out to be, in the last 9 games of the regular season he averaged 11.7ppg & 3.2apg(17 TO's) in 26.6 minutes per game. That's respectable at a minimum in my opinion. I'm sure folks will talk about how bad he was defensively which is more than fair since he was terrible defensively however he had the best D rating of the 3 guards who played last season.
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Post by hoyaboya on May 7, 2024 10:02:08 GMT -5
Nobody will regret not taking Rowan at a HM. It's like folks didnt watch our games. He wasn't nearly as bad as you're making him out to be, in the last 9 games of the regular season he averaged 11.7ppg & 3.2apg(17 TO's) in 26.6 minutes per game. That's respectable at a minimum in my opinion. I'm sure folks will talk about how bad he was defensively which is more than fair since he was terrible defensively however he had the best D rating of the 3 guards who played last season. Agreed 100% with everything Etomic said. Difficult to understand how somebody can say "It's like folks didn't watch our games" in order to trash Brumbaugh, but at the same time praise Epps. Anybody that actually watched the games would know that Epps was a net negative on last year's team, a ball stopper, bad shooter and poor defender.
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Post by prhoya on May 7, 2024 10:10:03 GMT -5
Nobody will regret not taking Rowan at a HM. It's like folks didnt watch our games. He wasn't nearly as bad as you're making him out to be, in the last 9 games of the regular season he averaged 11.7ppg & 3.2apg(17 TO's) in 26.6 minutes per game. That's respectable at a minimum in my opinion. I'm sure folks will talk about how bad he was defensively which is more than fair since he was terrible defensively however he had the best D rating of the 3 guards who played last season. Yes, I watched all the games last year and Rowan was a good 4-yr prospect thrown into the fire of a badly constructed roster and who played well for a freshman in that situation, as his stats show. He was no deer-caught-in-headlights, as some other GU players we’ve seen recently, and had some nasty in him. He would have been a great backup or role player this year. The question is: would he have accepted similar or less minutes than his freshman year?
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Post by jwp91 on May 7, 2024 11:06:03 GMT -5
My question is this....if Cooley swings and misses on bringing in a veteran defensive big, how many on this board are NOT going to grant Fielder and Sorber the grace of being the bigs who actually want to play for this team while they develop?
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Post by professorhoya on May 7, 2024 11:23:59 GMT -5
Nobody will regret not taking Rowan at a HM. It's like folks didnt watch our games. He wasn't nearly as bad as you're making him out to be, in the last 9 games of the regular season he averaged 11.7ppg & 3.2apg(17 TO's) in 26.6 minutes per game. That's respectable at a minimum in my opinion. I'm sure folks will talk about how bad he was defensively which is more than fair since he was terrible defensively however he had the best D rating of the 3 guards who played last season. His stats were garbage time stats when the game and season was out of reach. These stats are important to cosmetically look good for transfer portal and NIL but not hard to achieve when you have ball in your hand 80% of an offensive possession. There’s a lot he does well but the two problems were he doesn’t have the speed to drive by phi’s defender and he was very stubborn (kept dribbling 10-15 times before passing or making a move which crippled the offense) His game was like Mark Jackson (minus the post up hook shots) who also was too slow to explosively dribble penetrate or Magic Johnson who wasn’t explosive but could pick apart a team in the half court (helps that Magic was 6-9 in an era of 6 foot point gaurds and 6-3 shooting guards. In the modern game I don’t think you can do this since you can’t win by low scoring defense but have to outscore your opponent. I suppose a Packline team might be the best fit for him but even UVA has realized they have to adjust their strategy.
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 7, 2024 11:29:39 GMT -5
My question is this....if Cooley swings and misses on bringing in a veteran defensive big, how many on this board are NOT going to grant Fielder and Sorber the grace of being the bigs who actually want to play for this team while they develop? The irony of the criticism on here is that the ones shouting the loudest about not getting a big were also shouting the loudest about trying to recruit any big that might slightly get time from Fielder and Sorber. Not getting a big is a miss, if we don't get one, as the depth is important. It also could turn out okay as both Fielder and Sorber have talent. The obsession with a very specific big was always a huge mistake, as evidenced by this market. Limiting your options in a market where there's big scarcity and a lot more money out there than people assumed at other teams means you simply can't be that specific or choosy.
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Post by professorhoya on May 7, 2024 11:41:18 GMT -5
My question is this....if Cooley swings and misses on bringing in a veteran defensive big, how many on this board are NOT going to grant Fielder and Sorber the grace of being the bigs who actually want to play for this team while they develop? The irony of the criticism on here is that the ones shouting the loudest about not getting a big were also shouting the loudest about trying to recruit any big that might slightly get time from Fielder and Sorber. Not getting a big is a miss, if we don't get one, as the depth is important. It also could turn out okay as both Fielder and Sorber have talent. The obsession with a very specific big was always a huge mistake, as evidenced by this market. Limiting your options in a market where there's big scarcity and a lot more money out there than people assumed at other teams means you simply can't be that specific or choosy. They should have learned that Last year from the Hunter Dickinson taffy pull.
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Post by EtomicB on May 7, 2024 11:42:08 GMT -5
My question is this....if Cooley swings and misses on bringing in a veteran defensive big, how many on this board are NOT going to grant Fielder and Sorber the grace of being the bigs who actually want to play for this team while they develop? The irony of the criticism on here is that the ones shouting the loudest about not getting a big were also shouting the loudest about trying to recruit any big that might slightly get time from Fielder and Sorber. Not getting a big is a miss, if we don't get one, as the depth is important. It also could turn out okay as both Fielder and Sorber have talent. The obsession with a very specific big was always a huge mistake, as evidenced by this market. Limiting your options in a market where there's big scarcity and a lot more money out there than people assumed at other teams means you simply can't be that specific or choosy. 1000% correct.
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 7, 2024 11:54:18 GMT -5
The irony of the criticism on here is that the ones shouting the loudest about not getting a big were also shouting the loudest about trying to recruit any big that might slightly get time from Fielder and Sorber. Not getting a big is a miss, if we don't get one, as the depth is important. It also could turn out okay as both Fielder and Sorber have talent. The obsession with a very specific big was always a huge mistake, as evidenced by this market. Limiting your options in a market where there's big scarcity and a lot more money out there than people assumed at other teams means you simply can't be that specific or choosy. They should have learned that Last year from the Hunter Dickinson taffy pull. But see, now you can criticize Cooley for putting all his eggs in one basket, then criticize him for looking at too many guys, then say that our current players are better and we can't scare them off and need to plan for the long term, then be mad he didn't go all in for the short term and say the current players aren't good enough. Also, we need to do all of this before transfer season is over while being suspiciously silent about good news and then posting a bunch of crap about how our transfers don't make Top whatever lists when Mack actually does. It's pretty clear to me: We have a good amount of money. I suspect even the number might be right. But it's not "Top 5" as the top teams have a lot more than stated and certain schools have raised up a lot more funds in the gold rush here -- see Arkansas. Which means that even if we can pay over $1M for a big, other teams are matching or beating and then we're right back recruiting pre-NIL, and we've been terrible. I still want a big, and hopefully we get someone with more defensive use than Cook. It's a miss, but aside from potentially misreading the market -- which most seemed to -- I don't know that there's some terrible error in there. We'll likely never know. But either way, between the freshmen that many of these people were very, very insistent that we not recruit against, Fielder, who does have a TON going for him and upgrades over Heath, Rowan and Massoud IMO via the portal, our team is better next year. It still has some decent sized gaps and some real depth risk down low, but it's clearly better. It's absolutely nuts to me that people can complain about losing Rowan but also complain about not upgrading center. Either you wanted to run it back or not, and running it back was nuts.
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Post by the_way on May 7, 2024 11:56:12 GMT -5
I totally thought he'd be at Nova next year - his game fits their system almost perfectly and developmentally they could help him a lot with strength/conditioning. My guess on the reason he's not at a high major is playing time - I think there's an unwillingness to accept the roles that were presented to him. Nova may regret not going after him after Armstrong is staying in the draft. Nobody will regret not taking Rowan at a HM. It's like folks didnt watch our games. No, they watched the games. Just hard to let go.
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Post by CaliHoya on May 7, 2024 12:05:31 GMT -5
If we do, in fact, have $1M in NIL money for a center, why not recruit a solid European big with eligibility who is probably making less in that farm system?
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Post by SSHoya on May 7, 2024 12:11:33 GMT -5
If we do, in fact, have $1M in NIL money for a center, why not recruit a solid European big with eligibility who is probably making less in that farm system? I don't know the answer but if an international player is in the US under a student visa, is the player allowed NIL? I guess the answer is obviously yes since all the African and other international players seem to have done it. Answering my own ? There are two types of NIL engagements: active and passive. Active engagements run afoul of F-1 visa guidelines on the employment of international students –– passive engagements do not. www.si.com/fannation/name-image-likeness/news/nil-confusion-remains-for-international-athletes-noah9#:~:text=Many%20in%20the%20NIL%20industry,is%20only%20a%20half%2Dtruth.
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Post by conshyhoya on May 7, 2024 12:18:42 GMT -5
If we do, in fact, have $1M in NIL money for a center, why not recruit a solid European big with eligibility who is probably making less in that farm system? I don't know the answer but if an international player is in the US under a student visa, is the player allowed NIL? I guess the answer is obviously yes since all the African and other international players seem to have done it. Answering my own ? There are two types of NIL engagements: active and passive. Active engagements run afoul of F-1 visa guidelines on the employment of international students –– passive engagements do not. www.si.com/fannation/name-image-likeness/news/nil-confusion-remains-for-international-athletes-noah9#:~:text=Many%20in%20the%20NIL%20industry,is%20only%20a%20half%2Dtruth. I thought Edey said he lost out on a lot of NIL because he is Canadian. I didn't read your link but I'm assuming that goes over how NIL differs for International players.
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Post by SSHoya on May 7, 2024 12:25:11 GMT -5
I thought Edey said he lost out on a lot of NIL because he is Canadian. I didn't read your link but I'm assuming that goes over how NIL differs for International players. I'm assuming Edey lost money on active NIL and that's what he is referencing. OTOH, he could make money in Canada or even China if he wanted to. Active NIL engagements require the labor of athletes. This can be any form of service or work by the athlete in the engagement—things such as posting on social media, appearing at an event, or signing an autograph. Unfortunately, these NIL activations are the most common in the industry, as brands and collectives have increasingly turned student-athletes towards participation in the influencer economy. While less common, passive NIL engagements leverage the influence of the athlete without requiring any labor on the athlete’s end. The group licensing payments for the upcoming EA Sports NCAA Football video game can best illustrate this type of engagement. In exchange for financial considerations, student-athletes give EA Sports a license to use their name, image, likeness, voice, and jersey number in the game. No labor comes from the student-athlete, and therefore, no violation of their student visa has occurred.
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 7, 2024 12:35:09 GMT -5
If we do, in fact, have $1M in NIL money for a center, why not recruit a solid European big with eligibility who is probably making less in that farm system? Again, where do these figures come from?
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