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Post by professorhoya on May 7, 2024 12:41:41 GMT -5
I thought Edey said he lost out on a lot of NIL because he is Canadian. I didn't read your link but I'm assuming that goes over how NIL differs for International players. Purdue set up one game in Toronto. Not going to get into specifics but let’s just say Edey made a lot do money in that one appearance. A lot. UConn also set up a game for Sanogo in the Caribbean.
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Post by EtomicB on May 7, 2024 12:43:09 GMT -5
They should have learned that Last year from the Hunter Dickinson taffy pull. But see, now you can criticize Cooley for putting all his eggs in one basket, then criticize him for looking at too many guys, then say that our current players are better and we can't scare them off and need to plan for the long term, then be mad he didn't go all in for the short term and say the current players aren't good enough. Also, we need to do all of this before transfer season is over while being suspiciously silent about good news and then posting a bunch of crap about how our transfers don't make Top whatever lists when Mack actually does. It's pretty clear to me: We have a good amount of money. I suspect even the number might be right. But it's not "Top 5" as the top teams have a lot more than stated and certain schools have raised up a lot more funds in the gold rush here -- see Arkansas. Which means that even if we can pay over $1M for a big, other teams are matching or beating and then we're right back recruiting pre-NIL, and we've been terrible. I still want a big, and hopefully we get someone with more defensive use than Cook. It's a miss, but aside from potentially misreading the market -- which most seemed to -- I don't know that there's some terrible error in there. We'll likely never know. But either way, between the freshmen that many of these people were very, very insistent that we not recruit against, Fielder, who does have a TON going for him and upgrades over Heath, Rowan and Massoud IMO via the portal, our team is better next year. It still has some decent sized gaps and some real depth risk down low, but it's clearly better. It's absolutely nuts to me that people can complain about losing Rowan but also complain about not upgrading center. Either you wanted to run it back or not, and running it back was nuts.I don't understand the "run it back" scenario you're referencing SF. With the frosh plus DM coming aboard running it back was never going to happen. Plus the program had multiple slots open that didn't include Bristol or Ryan leaving to recruit out of the portal without any obstacles. Gtown keeping RB, Styles & Cook didn't automatically mean that it was going to be the same team as last season.
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Post by hoyaboya on May 7, 2024 16:13:26 GMT -5
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Post by 1789 on May 7, 2024 17:07:37 GMT -5
The players look great, but come on Coach. Would it hurt to tuck in the shirt and wear a decent pair of shoes?
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Post by daveg023 on May 7, 2024 18:10:15 GMT -5
Ed really is trying hard to pull off this look. Didn’t he wear the same thing at the Final 4?
Good to see the engagement though.
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Post by the_way on May 7, 2024 18:27:00 GMT -5
Ed really is trying hard to pull off this look. Didn’t he wear the same thing at the Final 4? Good to see the engagement though. Just rock a suit, Ed. Probably has a stylist that told him to wear it. He'd fit right in at the Met Gala. Anything goes there.
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Post by hoyaboya on May 7, 2024 18:31:03 GMT -5
Ed really is trying hard to pull off this look. Didn’t he wear the same thing at the Final 4? Good to see the engagement though. Didn't wear a sport coat at the Final Four and it's a different shirt.
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Post by madmike on May 7, 2024 18:43:25 GMT -5
Ed really is trying hard to pull off this look. Didn’t he wear the same thing at the Final 4? Good to see the engagement though. Didn't wear a sport coat at the Final Four and it's a different shirt. If your down on Cooley don’t read the comments on that post 😞
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 7, 2024 19:06:11 GMT -5
I don't understand the "run it back" scenario you're referencing SF. With the frosh plus DM coming aboard running it back was never going to happen. Plus the program had multiple slots open that didn't include Bristol or Ryan leaving to recruit out of the portal without any obstacles. Gtown keeping RB, Styles & Cook didn't automatically mean that it was going to be the same team as last season. I think we've all got to be realistic about the NIL era. Whether it's playing time or reduced NIL (because that is as constrained as PT), bringing in a better guy often means a player leaves. Rowan was the #2 ballhandler last year, #1 stayed, we pulled in a PG, pulled in a SG and also have a couple of freshmen who can play guard. I don't know why Rowan left but I think that the vast majority of players in that position are moving on. I'm not one of those folks that think Roward couldn't play here, but Mack is a better player, and I'm not sure why there's so much drama about a rotational player on a bad team. Running it back would be largely sitting still in the transfer market and just relying on returnees and the freshmen. If we paid Styles to stay, Rowan stayed, etc. but we add the freshmen, I'm not sure how that's a winning plan. That's my opinion anyway. I find there's not a lot of consistency for some posters between the idea of upgrading via transfer or not. That's all.
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on May 7, 2024 20:09:02 GMT -5
Don’t know what this guy's all about, but he says he's a UK insider. Certainly tracks with other noise.
Would like the add. Get him, a 5/4, and another guard and call it a day.
I could live with Burks, McKenna, Fielder, Sorber, and XFER at the 4/5. Peavy & Caleb could get a few minutes at the 4 here and there as needed.
There would be few guard rails on that kind of squad. Lots of talent, but not much experience, and likely a ton of ups & downs.
Nothing like last year, though.
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Post by bluegray79 on May 7, 2024 20:43:28 GMT -5
Burks has a 100% crystal ball to go to Arkansas. How do we know he has heavy interest in our program?
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Post by vv83 on May 7, 2024 21:00:55 GMT -5
Burks has a 100% crystal ball to go to Arkansas. How do we know he has heavy interest in our program? The two crystal ball predictions for Arkansas are from 4/19-20. Given that he seems to have visited the Georgetown campus recently - maybe some aspect of his recruitment has changed in the last 2+ weeks. Perhaps a bigger NIL offer, perhaps some other factors? Burks certainly looks interesting in his high school highlight clips. Tall, very long, shooting mechanics look fine (but everyone hits all their 3s on highlight videos!). Seems to be able to handle the ball well for his height. Very thin. I read somewhere that he played for OT Elite for his last year of high school, and led that program in scoring at something like 27 points a game. But he could not get much time at Kentucky last year, and was a 3 star recruit on some services (a 4 star on some as well) He doesn't solve our lack of a big, physical 5. But he does look like a guy who at least has some interesting potential.
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on May 7, 2024 21:04:40 GMT -5
Burks has a 100% crystal ball to go to Arkansas. How do we know he has heavy interest in our program? Those CBs are old, and according to some insiders they're not linked anymore. Burks visited campus two days ago and is connected to a bunch of Hoyas on socials. Nothing concrete yet, but a decent amount of smoke -- and no other schools considered favorites.
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Post by kghoya on May 7, 2024 21:36:31 GMT -5
Burks - Not necessarily a position of need but then when you step back for a second you realize that every position is a position of need at Georgetown right now.
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 7, 2024 21:49:25 GMT -5
A review of Georgetown and Villanova in the portal did not fare well on the Field of 68.
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Post by seaweed on May 7, 2024 21:53:45 GMT -5
The players look great, but come on Coach. Would it hurt to tuck in the shirt and wear a decent pair of shoes? OK Boomer
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Post by EtomicB on May 8, 2024 5:32:23 GMT -5
I don't understand the "run it back" scenario you're referencing SF. With the frosh plus DM coming aboard running it back was never going to happen. Plus the program had multiple slots open that didn't include Bristol or Ryan leaving to recruit out of the portal without any obstacles. Gtown keeping RB, Styles & Cook didn't automatically mean that it was going to be the same team as last season. I think we've all got to be realistic about the NIL era. Whether it's playing time or reduced NIL (because that is as constrained as PT), bringing in a better guy often means a player leaves. Rowan was the #2 ballhandler last year, #1 stayed, we pulled in a PG, pulled in a SG and also have a couple of freshmen who can play guard. I don't know why Rowan left but I think that the vast majority of players in that position are moving on. I'm not one of those folks that think Roward couldn't play here, but Mack is a better player, and I'm not sure why there's so much drama about a rotational player on a bad team. Running it back would be largely sitting still in the transfer market and just relying on returnees and the freshmen. If we paid Styles to stay, Rowan stayed, etc. but we add the freshmen, I'm not sure how that's a winning plan. That's my opinion anyway. I find there's not a lot of consistency for some posters between the idea of upgrading via transfer or not. That's all. I'd feel differently if RB left due to Mack joining the program but the truth is he left on 3/20 which more than likely means he & Cooley didn't see eye to eye on his future with the program. As I've stated many times Cooley's success has come by way of acclimating kids to his style or culture, that takes more than a year to accomplish & only bringing back two players from last season feels like starting over. I think we'd all agree that rotation players are important parts of teams and yes the team was terrible last season and upgrades in talent needed to happen but considering the team had 4 walk ons last season those upgrades didn't necessarily have to come from rotation players in my view. I can't help but to point out that both Pitino & English were able to keep their 2ndary players in the fold while they improved their teams through the portal.
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Post by CTHoya08 on May 8, 2024 6:11:09 GMT -5
The difficulty was always going to be that the guys we wanted to bring back as secondary players were our primary players last year. Not saying it was impossible, but I’m also not surprised we’re losing some of them. We had enough guys who were going be gone (Mutombo, Bristol, Ish) that we had enough open roster slots that we theoretically could have upgraded through the portal while sliding guys like Brumbaugh and Styles down the depth chart and into secondary roles. That would have been the true coup, but it’s hard to pull that off in a losing program when there’s money and PT elsewhere. It’s frustrating that we aren’t just upgrading our top talent (which is encouraging!), but also have to spend time and resources backfilling the rest of the roster with guys who are probably on the same level as the guys who left.
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Post by professorhoya on May 8, 2024 6:52:51 GMT -5
I think we've all got to be realistic about the NIL era. Whether it's playing time or reduced NIL (because that is as constrained as PT), bringing in a better guy often means a player leaves. Rowan was the #2 ballhandler last year, #1 stayed, we pulled in a PG, pulled in a SG and also have a couple of freshmen who can play guard. I don't know why Rowan left but I think that the vast majority of players in that position are moving on. I'm not one of those folks that think Roward couldn't play here, but Mack is a better player, and I'm not sure why there's so much drama about a rotational player on a bad team. Running it back would be largely sitting still in the transfer market and just relying on returnees and the freshmen. If we paid Styles to stay, Rowan stayed, etc. but we add the freshmen, I'm not sure how that's a winning plan. That's my opinion anyway. I find there's not a lot of consistency for some posters between the idea of upgrading via transfer or not. That's all. I'd feel differently if RB left due to Mack joining the program but the truth is he left on 3/20 which more than likely means he & Cooley didn't see eye to eye on his future with the program. As I've stated many times Cooley's success has come by way of acclimating kids to his style or culture, that takes more than a year to accomplish & only bringing back two players from last season feels like starting over. I think we'd all agree that rotation players are important parts of teams and yes the team was terrible last season and upgrades in talent needed to happen but considering the team had 4 walk ons last season those upgrades didn't necessarily have to come from rotation players in my view. I can't help but to point out that both Pitino & English were able to keep their 2ndary players in the fold while they improved their teams through the portal. Brumbaugh continued to overdribble 10-15 times to start a possession. Wouldnt listen to instruction. It just wasn’t a good fit with Cooley and Georgetown and so they went in a different direction just like Chris Beard did in not retaining Brumbaugh after Rowan’s first year.
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Post by EtomicB on May 8, 2024 6:55:07 GMT -5
The difficulty was always going to be that the guys we wanted to bring back as secondary players were our primary players last year. Not saying it was impossible, but I’m also not surprised we’re losing some of them. We had enough guys who were going be gone (Mutombo, Bristol, Ish) that we had enough open roster slots that we theoretically could have upgraded through the portal while sliding guys like Brumbaugh and Styles down the depth chart and into secondary roles. That would have been the true coup, but it’s hard to pull that off in a losing program when there’s money and PT elsewhere. It’s frustrating that we aren’t just upgrading our top talent (which is encouraging!), but also have to spend time and resources backfilling the rest of the roster with guys who are probably on the same level as the guys who left.This is exactly my point in this discussion.
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