78HOYA78
Bulldog (over 250 posts)
Posts: 398
|
Post by 78HOYA78 on May 6, 2024 9:21:56 GMT -5
Also, could be "divine intervention" thinking due to his relationship with Big John and the events of 2001.
|
|
|
Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 6, 2024 9:54:58 GMT -5
You don't think Cooley has taken at least a slight hit on his rep for leaving PC and being no better than Ewing last year? I am honestly a big fan of Cooley, but I can't deny it's been a tough twelve months for him. I still think he is capable of turning this around, but at the same time can be a little let down by the start of his tenure now. I think this is the only reasonable take. I expected more in year one. Better D, more improvement in season. That is about my only gripe. I would have liked more retention but the only two I see as being misses (especially with the current roster as of today) are styles & brumbaugh. Both could contribute next year although I understand smaller roles probably weren't wanted by them and that is what would happen. Going into the Summer, if we don't land a few bigs I think we are looking at the bottom third of the conference for sure. It's just unreasonable to expect a first & second year big (Fielder/Sorber) to somehow anchor the inside against 5th & 6th year bigs. If we get a body or two, I think we can get to the middle of the pack. If we see more turnover of the roster next offseason without making huge strides, I might just punt on season tickets. It's hard to stay this loyal for this long without any good seasons to look to.
|
|
jwp91
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 6,040
|
Post by jwp91 on May 6, 2024 10:23:26 GMT -5
NBA announces early entry candidates for NBA Draft 2024 A total of 195 players have filed as early entry candidates for NBA Draft 2024… Players who have applied for early entry have the right to withdraw their names from consideration for the Draft by notifying the NBA of their decision in writing no later than 5 p.m. ET on Sunday, June 16. Under NCAA rules, in order to retain college basketball eligibility, college players who have entered NBA Draft 2024 must withdraw by Wednesday, May 29. www.nba.com/news/nba-draft-2024-early-entry-candidates#Originally, I didn't want to wait for a player that was testing the NBA waters. But this might work out for us. Our continued lack of success finding a big might have us still looking by the time these players try to come back.
|
|
smokeyjack
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,300
|
Post by smokeyjack on May 6, 2024 10:28:26 GMT -5
Alabama has football money to help with paying basketball recruits, that why we need more alumni donations to help Georgetown get these guys. Actually, Alabama has a very modest fanbase compared to several SEC Schools (Texas, Tennessee, GA). That's one of several reasons Saban shut it down. The Tide's fball dynasty is over.
|
|
smokeyjack
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,300
|
Post by smokeyjack on May 6, 2024 10:33:50 GMT -5
Not saying I agree with all the sentiment out there, but detractors can point to: 1.) The poor handling of his move to leave his hometown school to go to a conference rival 2.) The on-court product last year was no better than it was under Ewing 3.) The internet noise around the Divine Providence documentary, Goodman doing his bidding, etc. Honestly, #2 might be the bigger indictment as I think everyone expected a more competitive team last year, and we really needed to be trending up to convince kids that this year we had a chance to be relevant again. The fact we didn't made the sell very hard this offseason IMO. Terrible take. Totally agree. Anyone who expected an immediate reversal after the Ewing debacle is a boob. The only smoke surrounding Cools is his alleged affair - not some nonsense suggesting he suddenly forgot how to coach. If you didn't look at last season's roster and KNOW a ton of beatings were incoming, I can't help you. Also, if you didn't see a totally different vibe than under Ewing, I can't help you. Pat's teams played horrible basketball. Ed's first team was mostly just horrible. I get the argument that he's the one who assembled the roster, but I think that's short-sighted when a guy has half a cycle to cobble together a product. If we don't see marked defensive and cultural improvement this season and we're still scrambling with a single-digit roster next spring, then I'll buy that Cooley has disappointed.
|
|
EtomicB
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 14,962
|
Post by EtomicB on May 6, 2024 10:34:05 GMT -5
I am about as negative as anyone, which is why I largely stay away from commenting, but I am surprised anyone expected NIL $ was going to fix everything. The money has gotten GU into recruiting conversations, that frankly, we have no business being in. Cooley still has a top 20 transfer class, and honestly, that is damn good for one of the bottom 5 high major programs in the country. I think the best way to use the NIL money going forward is to retain players. No one Cooley wants to stay should ever leave GU because of money. That makes it a slower build, but probably more stable and sustainable. I used to be in the camp, and preferred the program building, long-game approach. But it has become so apparent this offseason I'm not sure if that will work anymore in college basketball if the rules stay the same. The NIL and transfer action has grown at an exponential pace the last two years, where I think what may have worked even in 2022 will not today. The number of transfers will drop by a lot next season since this is the last year of the COVID-19 exemption. The retention approach can work if the staff is willing to stick with it, I see no reason why Gtown couldn't have recruited Mack & still kept RB. The same can be said for Styles, if he wanted more money then give it to him, continuity & the appearance of loyalty are important building blocks & selling tools for a program.
|
|
royski
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,296
|
Post by royski on May 6, 2024 13:33:22 GMT -5
Looks to me like we’re probably going to have another horrible season this year, something with under 5 BE wins. Really disappointing for the 15 fans we have left.
|
|
thedragon
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Enter your message here...
Posts: 2,332
|
Post by thedragon on May 6, 2024 13:36:15 GMT -5
Looks to me like we’re probably going to have another horrible season this year, something with under 5 BE wins. Really disappointing for the 15 fans we have left. This seems extremely premature.
|
|
hoyariv71
Century (over 100 posts)
Posts: 125
|
Post by hoyariv71 on May 6, 2024 13:53:18 GMT -5
Exactly, we are young but upgraded at every position, I think if we play defense somewhere in the 100s we are gonna be fine.
|
|
kghoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 4,997
|
Post by kghoya on May 6, 2024 14:12:52 GMT -5
Looks to me like we’re probably going to have another horrible season this year, something with under 5 BE wins. Really disappointing for the 15 fans we have left. Being swept by UCONN, Marquette and Creighton leaves 14 remaining games. Going 5-9 the rest of the way wouldn't be horrible I guess.
|
|
SDHoya
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,339
|
Post by SDHoya on May 6, 2024 14:43:06 GMT -5
Jeez, this is dreary. To say the transfer portal has been a disappointment ignores that we brought in two A level transfers in Mack and Peavey, as well as an interesting pick up in Williams. If we had brought in Omoruyi people would be getting frothy making (way too early) predictions about returning to the top-25. No doubt its disappointing that the transfer portal has not (yet) provided us with a solid defensive C/PF. Cooley missed on a few big names who each chose big state schools--all which likely had as much or more NIL at their disposal than Georgetown. Even if the rumors of GU having a 4-5 million NIL pot are true--you really don't think the Alabamas and Arizonas and UNCs of the world don't have supporters who will find at least that much should they have a shot at top level talent? Rumor of Omoruyi turning down $2m from UNC (and Omoruyi didn't even choose them!) means Georgetown at best isn't alone in the pool of big NIL purses.
There is still time, and hopefully Cooley is able to find one or two more guys who will address the need for rim protection and interior defensive presence. Don't know much about the former Kentucky guy who was supposedly on campus, but its clear they are working hard to figure this out. Let's wait for the dust to settle a bit maybe?
|
|
hoyas315
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,102
|
Post by hoyas315 on May 6, 2024 17:55:47 GMT -5
|
|
prhoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 23,358
|
Post by prhoya on May 6, 2024 18:05:55 GMT -5
Good for him! GU with the pipeline to Tulane... Looking forward to Rowan rejoining the Hoyas for his fourth year of eligibility...
|
|
hoyaboya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 12,489
|
Post by hoyaboya on May 6, 2024 18:06:17 GMT -5
Jeez, this is dreary. To say the transfer portal has been a disappointment ignores that we brought in two A level transfers in Mack and Peavey, as well as an interesting pick up in Williams. If we had brought in Omoruyi people would be getting frothy making (way too early) predictions about returning to the top-25. No doubt its disappointing that the transfer portal has not (yet) provided us with a solid defensive C/PF. Cooley missed on a few big names who each chose big state schools--all which likely had as much or more NIL at their disposal than Georgetown. Even if the rumors of GU having a 4-5 million NIL pot are true--you really don't think the Alabamas and Arizonas and UNCs of the world don't have supporters who will find at least that much should they have a shot at top level talent? Rumor of Omoruyi turning down $2m from UNC (and Omoruyi didn't even choose them!) means Georgetown at best isn't alone in the pool of big NIL purses. There is still time, and hopefully Cooley is able to find one or two more guys who will address the need for rim protection and interior defensive presence. Don't know much about the former Kentucky guy who was supposedly on campus, but its clear they are working hard to figure this out. Let's wait for the dust to settle a bit maybe? What evidence do you have that the $2M rumor was from UNC and not Georgetown? Seems a lot more likely that Georgetown was desprate enough to offer that much, not UNC. Also, it's pretty obvious you don't know much about Jordan Burks, the former UK player who was rumored (by an unreliable Tweeter) to have visited Georgetown. He's a 6'8", 202 pound small forward, not somebody "who will address the need for rim protection and interior defensive presence". He'd be the 4th guy on the team with the exact same build as Peavy, McKenna and Williams. Not sure why we would be going after him unless we're just planning to stockpile athletes with similar playing styles. ukathletics.com/sports/mbball/roster/player/burks-jordan/
|
|
thedragon
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Enter your message here...
Posts: 2,332
|
Post by thedragon on May 6, 2024 18:09:07 GMT -5
I was told Rowan was def headed to a HM. Lol
|
|
kettlehill
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,149
|
Post by kettlehill on May 6, 2024 18:18:41 GMT -5
I was hoping- if he went mid major- it would be Vermont. Beckers player development ( esp D ) is up there with Jay Wright.
|
|
|
Post by hoyasaxaphone on May 6, 2024 19:21:18 GMT -5
KenPom Last Season: Tulane #136 > Georgetown #192. Mid-major or not, perhaps an upgrade. I have a lot of respect for Rowan and I am sure that he made a considered decision. I hope he rocks it at Tulane.
|
|
|
Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 6, 2024 21:43:41 GMT -5
Jeez, this is dreary. To say the transfer portal has been a disappointment ignores that we brought in two A level transfers in Mack and Peavey, as well as an interesting pick up in Williams. If we had brought in Omoruyi people would be getting frothy making (way too early) predictions about returning to the top-25. No doubt its disappointing that the transfer portal has not (yet) provided us with a solid defensive C/PF. Cooley missed on a few big names who each chose big state schools--all which likely had as much or more NIL at their disposal than Georgetown. Even if the rumors of GU having a 4-5 million NIL pot are true--you really don't think the Alabamas and Arizonas and UNCs of the world don't have supporters who will find at least that much should they have a shot at top level talent? Rumor of Omoruyi turning down $2m from UNC (and Omoruyi didn't even choose them!) means Georgetown at best isn't alone in the pool of big NIL purses. There is still time, and hopefully Cooley is able to find one or two more guys who will address the need for rim protection and interior defensive presence. Don't know much about the former Kentucky guy who was supposedly on campus, but its clear they are working hard to figure this out. Let's wait for the dust to settle a bit maybe? What evidence do you have that the $2M rumor was from UNC and not Georgetown? Seems a lot more likely that Georgetown was desprate enough to offer that much, not UNC. Also, it's pretty obvious you don't know much about Jordan Burks, the former UK player who was rumored (by an unreliable Tweeter) to have visited Georgetown. He's a 6'8", 202 pound small forward, not somebody "who will address the need for rim protection and interior defensive presence". He'd be the 4th guy on the team with the exact same build as Peavy, McKenna and Williams. Not sure why we would be going after him unless we're just planning to stockpile athletes with similar playing styles. ukathletics.com/sports/mbball/roster/player/burks-jordan/UNC likely has way more sports money floating around too. How do you know it wasn’t UNC? There were rumors that we didn’t give Omoruyi the number he wanted when he visited so it seems like a big stretch from that to $2 million. But it could have been. I’m willing to acknowledge we don’t know which one it was.
|
|
|
Post by professorhoya on May 6, 2024 22:44:17 GMT -5
What evidence do you have that the $2M rumor was from UNC and not Georgetown? Seems a lot more likely that Georgetown was desprate enough to offer that much, not UNC. Also, it's pretty obvious you don't know much about Jordan Burks, the former UK player who was rumored (by an unreliable Tweeter) to have visited Georgetown. He's a 6'8", 202 pound small forward, not somebody "who will address the need for rim protection and interior defensive presence". He'd be the 4th guy on the team with the exact same build as Peavy, McKenna and Williams. Not sure why we would be going after him unless we're just planning to stockpile athletes with similar playing styles. ukathletics.com/sports/mbball/roster/player/burks-jordan/UNC likely has way more sports money floating around too. How do you know it wasn’t UNC? There were rumors that we didn’t give Omoruyi the number he wanted when he visited so it seems like a big stretch from that to $2 million. But it could have been. I’m willing to acknowledge we don’t know which one it was. Supposedly Johnell Davis (FAU wing) wanted $2 million. Couldn’t meet Michigans academic requirements but ended up with Calipari at Arkansas.
|
|
|
Post by professorhoya on May 6, 2024 22:45:50 GMT -5
I was told Rowan was def headed to a HM. Lol Power six probably saw him as a backup.
|
|