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Post by suicideslushpuppie on May 5, 2024 21:28:23 GMT -5
Not surprising at all. We just seem to have no sense of urgency.
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 5, 2024 21:40:12 GMT -5
Hey, they tried! All you can do is try. We fire sales reps who come back with that answer.
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Post by 3xhoya on May 5, 2024 22:03:31 GMT -5
So at what point do we question the huge NIL war chest we have?
Tough to view the portal season so far as an overall upgrade.
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Post by daveg023 on May 6, 2024 5:49:01 GMT -5
So at what point do we question the huge NIL war chest we have? Tough to view the portal season so far as an overall upgrade. Things haven’t worked out much better for St John’s w/ their HOF coach and Vitamin Water NIL funds… Bottom line is it’s not always the money (assuming it’s close). The deterioration of the program and potentially the hit Cooley’s reputation has taken, can’t be solved with money alone. Now it’s up to the staff to earn their $ by developing the kids on the roster and getting the whole to be more than the sum of the parts.
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Post by 78HOYA78 on May 6, 2024 7:04:29 GMT -5
Well said - develop what you have, create a positive culture and if the coaching staff is up to par there should be some signs of development game by game. Only time will tell. Oh by the way - Time waits for no one.
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Post by Elvado on May 6, 2024 7:09:58 GMT -5
So at what point do we question the huge NIL war chest we have? Tough to view the portal season so far as an overall upgrade. Things haven’t worked out much better for St John’s w/ their HOF coach and Vitamin Water NIL funds… Bottom line is it’s not always the money (assuming it’s close). The deterioration of the program and potentially the hit Cooley’s reputation has taken, can’t be solved with money alone. Now it’s up to the staff to earn their $ by developing the kids on the roster and getting the whole to be more than the sum of the parts. Well said. Unless the money is orders of magnitude more, why does any big time talent looking for exposure join GU? We are, as currently constituted, a punchline and cautionary tale. I am willing to watch Ed Cooley rebuild us to something more and do not expect it overnight.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on May 6, 2024 7:10:39 GMT -5
We fire sales reps who come back with that answer. Yes, that’s because everybody is always looking for a fall guy and not appreciating the completion and the level of greed out there.
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Post by EtomicB on May 6, 2024 7:30:58 GMT -5
So at what point do we question the huge NIL war chest we have? Tough to view the portal season so far as an overall upgrade. Things haven’t worked out much better for St John’s w/ their HOF coach and Vitamin Water NIL funds… Bottom line is it’s not always the money (assuming it’s close). The deterioration of the program and potentially the hit Cooley’s reputation has taken, can’t be solved with money alone. Now it’s up to the staff to earn their $ by developing the kids on the roster and getting the whole to be more than the sum of the parts. Welcome aboard Dave! Welcome aboard..
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Post by prhoya on May 6, 2024 7:58:53 GMT -5
Even DePaul is using the portal wisely. Do they have a bigger NIL$ than GU? Is it a better school and place to play? Has DePaul done more or less losing than GU? Are we falling behind DePaul under their new administration? “Winner: DePaul's reboot has strong start Former Ohio State coach Chris Holtmann is hitting the ground running at what is arguably the worst job in a major college basketball conference. DePaul hasn't been to an NCAA Tournament since 2004 and is coming off a 3-29 season. But with the transfer class Holtmann is putting together, don't be surprised if the Blue Demons make strides in his first season. Backcourt players Conor Enright (Drake), Jacob Meyer (Coastal Carolina), Isaiah Rivera (Illinois-Chicago) and David Thomas (Mercer) each shot 40% or better from 3-point range at their last stops. Many of the frontcourt additions have perimeter shooting acumen as well. Holtmann faces a long road to making DePaul relevant in the Big East, but he's off to a good start. – Cobb“ www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/winners-and-losers-from-college-basketballs-2024-transfer-portal-cycle-kansas-indiana-land-stars/amp/Also, BE-related: Winners: Marquette and Xavier Losers: Seton Hall and Ivy L (mentioned transfers like Mack)
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Post by TC on May 6, 2024 8:21:45 GMT -5
Disappointing, but not a shock. Competing with Alabama and UNC is like Temple competing for a QB with Auburn and Clemson-- Temple finished last in its conference and averaged 13,446 a game, so it is not going to be a destination for a major transfer when they can play at larger programs. That said, he's not the future for Alabama, either. Here are the 2023-24 stats for three centers. Who is the game changer here? A. 10.6 points, 7.0 rebounds B. 10.4 points, 8.3 rebounds C. 9.8 points, 7.8 rebounds FWIW, (A) is Eddie Lampkin, off to Syracuse, (B) is Omoruyi, and (C) is Qudus Wahab, so about a half point and a half rebound per game separated Omoruyi and Wahab last season. Here's the 2023-2024 stats for three centers - who is the game changer : A) 0.5% block percentage, 106.1 DRTG B) 12.8% block percentage (1st in Big 10, 3rd in NCAA), 90.1 DRTG C) 6.3% block percentage, 100.3 DRTG Points and rebounds are not the stat that anyone is looking at when trying to figure out why people were bidding on Cliff Omoruyi. It's the elite-level defense and rim-protection, which we were sorely lacking last year.
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Post by hoyaboya on May 6, 2024 8:28:31 GMT -5
Great call-out by a national writer of Hilltop Hoops being wrong on just about everything.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 6, 2024 8:30:50 GMT -5
So at what point do we question the huge NIL war chest we have? Tough to view the portal season so far as an overall upgrade. Things haven’t worked out much better for St John’s w/ their HOF coach and Vitamin Water NIL funds… Bottom line is it’s not always the money (assuming it’s close). The deterioration of the program and potentially the hit Cooley’s reputation has taken, can’t be solved with money alone. Now it’s up to the staff to earn their $ by developing the kids on the roster and getting the whole to be more than the sum of the parts. What hits have happened to Cooley's rep?
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Post by prhoya on May 6, 2024 8:43:22 GMT -5
NBA announces early entry candidates for NBA Draft 2024 A total of 195 players have filed as early entry candidates for NBA Draft 2024… Players who have applied for early entry have the right to withdraw their names from consideration for the Draft by notifying the NBA of their decision in writing no later than 5 p.m. ET on Sunday, June 16. Under NCAA rules, in order to retain college basketball eligibility, college players who have entered NBA Draft 2024 must withdraw by Wednesday, May 29. www.nba.com/news/nba-draft-2024-early-entry-candidates#
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Post by daveg023 on May 6, 2024 8:46:07 GMT -5
Things haven’t worked out much better for St John’s w/ their HOF coach and Vitamin Water NIL funds… Bottom line is it’s not always the money (assuming it’s close). The deterioration of the program and potentially the hit Cooley’s reputation has taken, can’t be solved with money alone. Now it’s up to the staff to earn their $ by developing the kids on the roster and getting the whole to be more than the sum of the parts. What hits have happened to Cooley's rep? Not saying I agree with all the sentiment out there, but detractors can point to: 1.) The poor handling of his move to leave his hometown school to go to a conference rival 2.) The on-court product last year was no better than it was under Ewing 3.) The internet noise around the Divine Providence documentary, Goodman doing his bidding, etc. Honestly, #2 might be the bigger indictment as I think everyone expected a more competitive team last year, and we really needed to be trending up to convince kids that this year we had a chance to be relevant again. The fact we didn't made the sell very hard this offseason IMO.
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Post by NCHoya on May 6, 2024 8:51:12 GMT -5
I am about as negative as anyone, which is why I largely stay away from commenting, but I am surprised anyone expected NIL $ was going to fix everything. The money has gotten GU into recruiting conversations, that frankly, we have no business being in. Cooley still has a top 20 transfer class, and honestly, that is damn good for one of the bottom 5 high major programs in the country. I think the best way to use the NIL money going forward is to retain players. No one Cooley wants to stay should ever leave GU because of money. That makes it a slower build, but probably more stable and sustainable.
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Post by madgesiq92 on May 6, 2024 8:56:48 GMT -5
What hits have happened to Cooley's rep? Not saying I agree with all the sentiment out there, but detractors can point to: 1.) The poor handling of his move to leave his hometown school to go to a conference rival 2.) The on-court product last year was no better than it was under Ewing 3.) The internet noise around the Divine Providence documentary, Goodman doing his bidding, etc. Honestly, #2 might be the bigger indictment as I think everyone expected a more competitive team last year, and we really needed to be trending up to convince kids that this year we had a chance to be relevant again. The fact we didn't made the sell very hard this offseason IMO. Terrible take.
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Post by daveg023 on May 6, 2024 8:57:22 GMT -5
I am about as negative as anyone, which is why I largely stay away from commenting, but I am surprised anyone expected NIL $ was going to fix everything. The money has gotten GU into recruiting conversations, that frankly, we have no business being in. Cooley still has a top 20 transfer class, and honestly, that is damn good for one of the bottom 5 high major programs in the country. I think the best way to use the NIL money going forward is to retain players. No one Cooley wants to stay should ever leave GU because of money. That makes it a slower build, but probably more stable and sustainable. I used to be in the camp, and preferred the program building, long-game approach. But it has become so apparent this offseason I'm not sure if that will work anymore in college basketball if the rules stay the same. The NIL and transfer action has grown at an exponential pace the last two years, where I think what may have worked even in 2022 will not today.
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Post by daveg023 on May 6, 2024 8:59:40 GMT -5
Not saying I agree with all the sentiment out there, but detractors can point to: 1.) The poor handling of his move to leave his hometown school to go to a conference rival 2.) The on-court product last year was no better than it was under Ewing 3.) The internet noise around the Divine Providence documentary, Goodman doing his bidding, etc. Honestly, #2 might be the bigger indictment as I think everyone expected a more competitive team last year, and we really needed to be trending up to convince kids that this year we had a chance to be relevant again. The fact we didn't made the sell very hard this offseason IMO. Terrible take. You don't think Cooley has taken at least a slight hit on his rep for leaving PC and being no better than Ewing last year? I am honestly a big fan of Cooley, but I can't deny it's been a tough twelve months for him. I still think he is capable of turning this around, but at the same time can be a little let down by the start of his tenure now.
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Post by NCHoya on May 6, 2024 9:15:07 GMT -5
Even DePaul is using the portal wisely. Do they have a bigger NIL$ than GU? Is it a better school and place to play? Has DePaul done more or less losing than GU? Are we falling behind DePaul under their new administration? “Winner: DePaul's reboot has strong start Former Ohio State coach Chris Holtmann is hitting the ground running at what is arguably the worst job in a major college basketball conference. DePaul hasn't been to an NCAA Tournament since 2004 and is coming off a 3-29 season. But with the transfer class Holtmann is putting together, don't be surprised if the Blue Demons make strides in his first season. Backcourt players Conor Enright (Drake), Jacob Meyer (Coastal Carolina), Isaiah Rivera (Illinois-Chicago) and David Thomas (Mercer) each shot 40% or better from 3-point range at their last stops. Many of the frontcourt additions have perimeter shooting acumen as well. Holtmann faces a long road to making DePaul relevant in the Big East, but he's off to a good start. – Cobb“ www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/winners-and-losers-from-college-basketballs-2024-transfer-portal-cycle-kansas-indiana-land-stars/amp/Also, BE-related: Winners: Marquette and Xavier Losers: Seton Hall and Ivy L (mentioned transfers like Mack) Wait, why would we think Depaul is using the portal better than GU? Because of volume? Depaul has taken on 9 transfers and yet 247 still has their transfer class ranked #49, that is hard to do. Other sites may disagree on the margins, but it is safe to assume none of these players are expected to be high impact. It is great they can all shoot the 3 in the Missouri Valley, or wherever, but we have seen for ourselves how that does not always translate to the BE or to other parts of the game. So I am not giving Depaul more credit than us when using the portal. Cooley is taking swings at impactful transfers because he has the NIL versus signing a ton of transfers and hoping one or two are BE ready. Cooley can always come back to that level of player after he shoots his shot on the bigger names. Holtzman is a good coach, but he is making sure he can form a team next season, he only has two freshman coming in with 8 transferring out.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on May 6, 2024 9:19:36 GMT -5
Yes, that’s because everybody is always looking for a fall guy and not appreciating the completion and the level of greed out there. Furthermore, do you know how easy it is to say, “You’re fired!”
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