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Post by guru on Jan 26, 2024 12:33:51 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 26, 2024 12:34:20 GMT -5
Imho Pierre would have been more effective than playing Bacote, he's a better player than RB right now as well. Bacote is here for 1 year and barely plays. Pierre would be a 3 year commitment and would want minutes. I think the chances are pretty good that he would earn those minutes
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 26, 2024 12:40:56 GMT -5
You have to admit that for the great majority of programs being a top 25 team for 2 months late in the year means you have a "great" team. I'll easily cop to thinking the Sophomore Otto team was a great one
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Post by SDHoya on Jan 26, 2024 12:46:25 GMT -5
Bacote is here for 1 year and barely plays. Pierre would be a 3 year commitment and would want minutes. I think the chances are pretty good that he would earn those minutes I’m sure that it Pierre wanted to come to GU he’d be here. It’s also likely that after Hopkins and Carter didn’t (couldn’t) go with Cooley, Providence was more attractive an option than the GU complete rebuild. (Also English beat him in a game of horse or something…) In any event, he’s not a Hoya so silly to rehash. Let’s win tomorrow.
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Post by raleighfriar on Jan 26, 2024 12:49:59 GMT -5
It's that he was negotiating during the season, recruiting for gtown while coaching PC, put his house on the market during the season....and it went from PC looking at a possible 4 seed, to an 11 seed. And the downfall coincides with when he knew he was leaving. That's my problem with him. That's my opinion as a PC fan. Others are mad that he went to a big east school. As opposed to a different conference. But for me, it's more that he sabotaged what was shsoing up to be a really good tourney run Yeah, maybe get over it. The team wasn't all that great. I know I’m not going to change many minds, and I’m not trying to, just telling you how I feel. But to be honest, Guru, by saying the team wasn’t that great, with multiple players your board has admitted they’d have wanted on the team, are you just saying that Ed wasn’t getting enough out of them or wasn’t a good coach? You can’t really have one without the other. If our teams weren’t good, then isn’t that on Cooley?
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 26, 2024 13:08:33 GMT -5
Yeah, maybe get over it. The team wasn't all that great. I know I’m not going to change many minds, and I’m not trying to, just telling you how I feel. But to be honest, Guru, by saying the team wasn’t that great, with multiple players your board has admitted they’d have wanted on the team, are you just saying that Ed wasn’t getting enough out of them or wasn’t a good coach? You can’t really have one without the other. If our teams weren’t good, then isn’t that on Cooley? Hoyaboya has been saying Cooley sucks for the last 10 years. In fact since day 1 at Georgetown Hoyaboya has been doing everything possible to get rid of Cooley.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 26, 2024 13:17:19 GMT -5
Will he get a standing "O" upon introduction. More likely to involve a "U"
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 26, 2024 13:18:54 GMT -5
Never in my GU fandom has a meaningless game been this exhausting. This game isn't meaningless to the PC team, a loss to Gtown will be a blow to a possible at-large bid.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 26, 2024 13:33:49 GMT -5
Never in my GU fandom has a meaningless game been this exhausting. This game isn't meaningless to the PC team, a loss to Gtown will be a blow to a possible at-large bid. Their season is pretty much over if they lose to us as their NET ranking will be decimated.
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Post by lda05816 on Jan 26, 2024 13:34:05 GMT -5
Yeah, maybe get over it. The team wasn't all that great. I know I’m not going to change many minds, and I’m not trying to, just telling you how I feel. But to be honest, Guru, by saying the team wasn’t that great, with multiple players your board has admitted they’d have wanted on the team, are you just saying that Ed wasn’t getting enough out of them or wasn’t a good coach? You can’t really have one without the other. If our teams weren’t good, then isn’t that on Cooley? The fact that we wanted some of the players after going 13-50 the last 2 years doesn't make that team any better. The analytics have never loved Ed's teams, partly due to his poor OOC scheduling. He never had a team finish in the top 25 and typically was in the 40-60 range. He obviously can build up a struggling program, which we need. I personally never really liked most of his Providence teams. Maybe the NIL money and the fertile recruiting base will help him breakthrough but I'm skeptical he's going to all of sudden churn out top 15-20 teams each year.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 26, 2024 14:00:03 GMT -5
I know I’m not going to change many minds, and I’m not trying to, just telling you how I feel. But to be honest, Guru, by saying the team wasn’t that great, with multiple players your board has admitted they’d have wanted on the team, are you just saying that Ed wasn’t getting enough out of them or wasn’t a good coach? You can’t really have one without the other. If our teams weren’t good, then isn’t that on Cooley? The fact that we wanted some of the players after going 13-50 the last 2 years doesn't make that team any better. The analytics have never loved Ed's teams, partly due to his poor OOC scheduling. He never had a team finish in the top 25 and typically was in the 40-60 range. He obviously can build up a struggling program, which we need. I personally never really liked most of his Providence teams. Maybe the NIL money and the fertile recruiting base will help him breakthrough but I'm skeptical he's going to all of sudden churn out top 15-20 teams each year. For accuracy purposes, PC did finish 13th in the 21-22 season. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/coaches/ed-cooley-1.html
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Post by lda05816 on Jan 26, 2024 14:03:56 GMT -5
The fact that we wanted some of the players after going 13-50 the last 2 years doesn't make that team any better. The analytics have never loved Ed's teams, partly due to his poor OOC scheduling. He never had a team finish in the top 25 and typically was in the 40-60 range. He obviously can build up a struggling program, which we need. I personally never really liked most of his Providence teams. Maybe the NIL money and the fertile recruiting base will help him breakthrough but I'm skeptical he's going to all of sudden churn out top 15-20 teams each year. For accuracy purposes, PC did finish 13th in the 21-22 season. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/coaches/ed-cooley-1.htmlI was referencing his analtyical (KenPom) rankings
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Post by guru on Jan 26, 2024 14:08:07 GMT -5
You have to admit that for the great majority of programs being a top 25 team for 2 months late in the year means you have a "great" team. I'll easily cop to thinking the Sophomore Otto team was a great one I don’t agree. A top 25 team in a given season is simply not a great team. The Otto team was fun, but always seemed to be playing on a razors edge. Never thought they were great. Certainly not among our greatest teams.
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Post by guru on Jan 26, 2024 14:09:53 GMT -5
Yeah, maybe get over it. The team wasn't all that great. I know I’m not going to change many minds, and I’m not trying to, just telling you how I feel. But to be honest, Guru, by saying the team wasn’t that great, with multiple players your board has admitted they’d have wanted on the team, are you just saying that Ed wasn’t getting enough out of them or wasn’t a good coach? You can’t really have one without the other. If our teams weren’t good, then isn’t that on Cooley? I didn’t say none of Cooley’s PC teams weren’t good. I simply stated my opinion that last year‘s team would not qualify as great. They were a good team. He did a good job coaching them.
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Post by bostonfan on Jan 26, 2024 14:20:32 GMT -5
Bacote is here for 1 year and barely plays. Pierre would be a 3 year commitment and would want minutes. I think the chances are pretty good that he would earn those minutes I don't think Pierre is a great player, but he would have been playing significant minutes for the Hoya this year, and helping them. He does an Ok job controlling pace and makes open shots and is a better on ball defender than Rowan at this point.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 26, 2024 14:50:05 GMT -5
You have to admit that for the great majority of programs being a top 25 team for 2 months late in the year means you have a "great" team. I'll easily cop to thinking the Sophomore Otto team was a great one I don’t agree. A top 25 team in a given season is simply not a great team. The Otto team was fun, but always seemed to be playing on a razors edge. Never thought they were great. Certainly not among our greatest teams. You've won me over, you're right that PC team wasn't "great" but it was a good team... The Otto team was a lot of fun, I loved that team. That team was very similar to the Reggie & the Miracles team.(regular season wise of course)
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Post by pjomega on Jan 26, 2024 14:51:14 GMT -5
It's that he was negotiating during the season, recruiting for gtown while coaching PC, put his house on the market during the season....and it went from PC looking at a possible 4 seed, to an 11 seed. And the downfall coincides with when he knew he was leaving. That's my problem with him. That's my opinion as a PC fan. Others are mad that he went to a big east school. As opposed to a different conference. But for me, it's more that he sabotaged what was shsoing up to be a really good tourney run Yeah, maybe get over it. The team wasn't all that great. Ok
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Post by thedragon on Jan 26, 2024 14:56:15 GMT -5
He led them to unprecedented heights for their program. No matter how many times you tell yourself this team or that team wasn't all that great - the fact remains pretty simplistic. If they didn't think he was a GREAT coach who had led their program to levels the program hadent seen in decades and reinvigorated a fanbase - then they wouldn't be this upset. That's true. I'm just saying this PC team last season that they always reference? It wasn't that great. Fair. But the two players we'd likely be most interested in are their best. At end of the day maybe we get 1 PC transfer but I don't think it will be the centerpiece of the portal for the Hoyas.
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Post by thedragon on Jan 26, 2024 14:58:46 GMT -5
I know I’m not going to change many minds, and I’m not trying to, just telling you how I feel. But to be honest, Guru, by saying the team wasn’t that great, with multiple players your board has admitted they’d have wanted on the team, are you just saying that Ed wasn’t getting enough out of them or wasn’t a good coach? You can’t really have one without the other. If our teams weren’t good, then isn’t that on Cooley? The fact that we wanted some of the players after going 13-50 the last 2 years doesn't make that team any better. The analytics have never loved Ed's teams, partly due to his poor OOC scheduling. He never had a team finish in the top 25 and typically was in the 40-60 range. He obviously can build up a struggling program, which we need. I personally never really liked most of his Providence teams. Maybe the NIL money and the fertile recruiting base will help him breakthrough but I'm skeptical he's going to all of sudden churn out top 15-20 teams each year. I can't fault the skepticism as your data is well stated. But I'd also argue that exactly why he came to Georgetown. Ancillary issues aside - he told many in the CBB community that at PC their was a ceiling. On the level of talent he could bring in. Recruits he could get. And that he felt like that ceiling was reached. That he was turning 100 Net teams into top 50 NET teams. He truly believes that Georgetown offers him the ability to compete with the upper echelon of CBB. Whether he's right - time will tell.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 26, 2024 15:01:47 GMT -5
"Why? That’s the lingering question. Cooley’s public answer has been consistent — change. For himself, for his family, for his professional growth — he felt compelled to start over in a different place. Cooley traded the perceived security of a long-term contract with Providence for the risk that comes with beginning anew in a different city. It's never made much sense on the surface. The Friars reached seven NCAA Tournaments and modernized their program under Cooley. The support he received from the school’s administration was unprecedented. The next step could have involved something more — playing deeper into March, targeting superior recruits, continuing to add roster firepower via the transfer portal and new name, image and likeness revenue streams. Georgetown was in ruins by the end of Patrick Ewing’s six seasons in charge — a 2-37 conference record over the last two, a lone March Madness berth since 2014-15. Fan support has dwindled to a fraction of the capacity at Capital One Arena. DePaul is the only program keeping the Hoyas out of the conference basement — that's no consolation for anyone. And still, with all that said, Cooley was enticed by Georgetown athletic director Lee Reed and his naked ambition. There wasn’t anything collegial or collaborative about his approach. Providence counterpart Steve Napolillo has admirably kept his cool in public settings, but you might imagine he’d have a harsh word or two for Reed in a private moment." www.providencejournal.com/story/sports/college/2024/01/26/georgetown-basketball-coach-ed-cooley-returns-to-providence-to-face-ex-team/72344465007/
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