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Post by KenteKrazies on Oct 9, 2023 16:21:28 GMT -5
The comparisons to Pitino are really unrealistic. There was no way in hell Georgetown was going to hire a white guy with a sketchy character record. While I personally think Pitino was the best coach available and I would have been excited to have him, that was never a real possibility at this university. Cooley seems to me to have a lot of positives going for him, including his candor IMO. I'm rooting for him. This is my sentiment as well. Once we knew Ewing was out, my opinion was always “If we somehow pull off either Pitino or Cooley, I will commend the administration” and they did just that.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 9, 2023 18:17:53 GMT -5
The comparisons to Pitino are really unrealistic. There was no way in hell Georgetown was going to hire a white guy with a sketchy character record. While I personally think Pitino was the best coach available and I would have been excited to have him, that was never a real possibility at this university. Cooley seems to me to have a lot of positives going for him, including his candor IMO. I'm rooting for him. This is my sentiment as well. Once we knew Ewing was out, my opinion was always “If we somehow pull off either Pitino or Cooley, I will commend the administration” and they did just that. I do think the angst of losing out on Pitino does cause some people to disregard that getting Cooley was not something that happened by chance. It likely did require some measure of aggression/outreach on Georgetown's part. So, I will get them some credit there. Once you got past Pitino, Cooley was really the next best option when looking at things rationally (meaning, if you're someone who thinks Cooley is a bad coach to begin with, then obviously you're going to come to a different conclusion--but I don't think the facts bear that out). I really do think most fans/alumni will get behind Cooley if he shows improvement from last year (almost a given), if we win some games, and if Cooley puts out a product that we can all be proud of and builds on that after this year. He's a walking advertisement for the school, he's accomplished one of the things all of us wanted but were afraid would not happen (eliminating the Ronny Thompson influence and getting rid of much of the antiquated approach pushed by John Thompson/JT3/Ewing), he's an accomplished coach, and he could easily have a higher ceiling at Georgetown than he had at Providence. I really do think we can be a good bit better than people are predicting this season. That doesn't mean we will be NCAA quality, but I think we could win some games against some good teams, and maybe even threaten for an NIT bid IF things come together and the key guys don't get hurt. As I've said before, I want to see a team in the 75-100ish range (preferably the higher part) that can easily transition into an NCAA threat next year.
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Post by SSHoya on Oct 9, 2023 19:39:06 GMT -5
If I bring my Cooley autographed basketball to Cap One does anyone think security would let me get a picture with the coach?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 9, 2023 22:32:51 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaguy on Oct 10, 2023 15:09:50 GMT -5
The comparisons to Pitino are really unrealistic. There was no way in hell Georgetown was going to hire a white guy with a sketchy character record. While I personally think Pitino was the best coach available and I would have been excited to have him, that was never a real possibility at this university. Cooley seems to me to have a lot of positives going for him, including his candor IMO. I'm rooting for him. This is my sentiment as well. Once we knew Ewing was out, my opinion was always “If we somehow pull off either Pitino or Cooley, I will commend the administration” and they did just that. I was at a point where I would have been shocked that the administration didn't accidentally shutdown the program somehow. That is how low the competency bar was. And while I am satisfied with Cooley, I won't forget Dennis Gates in 2022.
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Post by hoyarooter on Oct 10, 2023 17:39:10 GMT -5
If I bring my Cooley autographed basketball to Cap One does anyone think security would let me get a picture with the coach? Doubtful, since you're an obvious security risk.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 26, 2024 15:45:00 GMT -5
This stuff about health is really out of bounds and pathetic. Both Pitino and Cooley are plenty healthy. I don't think either St. John's or Georgetown have to worry about the health of their coach at the moment. It's just an effort to heap more scorn on a coach that certain posters will never like. Even for HoyaTalk, this is sub-basement stuff. I'll accept apologies whenever people feel like giving them... "Then there were issues with Cooley himself. Almost every year in his tenure the coach dealt with some serious health issues. After his second season in town (2013), the coach felt, and looked, awful. He tipped the scales at 344 pounds and knew that weight, plus the stress of reviving a Big East program, was a deadly duo. That summer he underwent weight reduction surgery and would go on to drop nearly 100 pounds. The process wasn’t easy and came with assorted complications that still dog him today, but Cooley came out on the other side a much healthier person. Other health issues persisted, however. One that lingers is a painful back ailment that’s required multiple procedures and caused him to miss games during his years at Providence." www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/why-did-ed-cooley-leave-pc-it-was-time-but-why-georgetown/ar-BB1hjtqQ
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Post by TC on Jan 26, 2024 16:00:57 GMT -5
This stuff about health is really out of bounds and pathetic. I'll accept apologies whenever people feel like giving them... "Then there were issues with Cooley himself. Almost every year in his tenure the coach dealt with some serious health issues. After his second season in town (2013), the coach felt, and looked, awful. He tipped the scales at 344 pounds and knew that weight, plus the stress of reviving a Big East program, was a deadly duo. That summer he underwent weight reduction surgery and would go on to drop nearly 100 pounds. The process wasn’t easy and came with assorted complications that still dog him today, but Cooley came out on the other side a much healthier person. Other health issues persisted, however. One that lingers is a painful back ailment that’s required multiple procedures and caused him to miss games during his years at Providence." www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/why-did-ed-cooley-leave-pc-it-was-time-but-why-georgetown/ar-BB1hjtqQNo one's apologizing.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 26, 2024 16:14:38 GMT -5
I'll accept apologies whenever people feel like giving them... "Then there were issues with Cooley himself. Almost every year in his tenure the coach dealt with some serious health issues. After his second season in town (2013), the coach felt, and looked, awful. He tipped the scales at 344 pounds and knew that weight, plus the stress of reviving a Big East program, was a deadly duo. That summer he underwent weight reduction surgery and would go on to drop nearly 100 pounds. The process wasn’t easy and came with assorted complications that still dog him today, but Cooley came out on the other side a much healthier person. Other health issues persisted, however. One that lingers is a painful back ailment that’s required multiple procedures and caused him to miss games during his years at Providence." www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/why-did-ed-cooley-leave-pc-it-was-time-but-why-georgetown/ar-BB1hjtqQNo one's apologizing. As context, as I'm sure you'll recall from the posts in this thread TC, people were saying Pitino looked like a cadaver and using his age against him, saying he'd only be at St. John's for a few years. However, in the last week leading into Cooley's return to Providence, we've gotten published clarity on two items: 1) Cooley was telling Big East media members that he would only be coaching for 4-5 more years; and 2) Cooley had/has serious health problems that literally weigh on his ability to coach Why is it OK to use Pitino's health and age against him on this board, but you want to stifle any discussion of a similar nature about Cooley? This is a WARNING: Do not speculate on a player's or coach's health--this is completely out of bounds. Your membership on this board will be promptly revoked if it is pursued or cited further.--Admin
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Post by guru on Jan 26, 2024 16:16:55 GMT -5
As context, as I'm sure you'll recall from the posts in this thread TC, people were saying Pitino looked like a cadaver and using his age against him, saying he'd only be at St. John's for a few years. However, in the last week leading into Cooley's return to Providence, we've gotten published clarity on two items: 1) Cooley was telling Big East media members that he would only be coaching for 4-5 years; and 2) Cooley had/has serious health problems that literally weigh on his ability to coach Why is it OK to use Pitino's health and age against him on this board, but you want to stifle any discussion of a similar nature about Cooley? This conversation is a waste of time and valuable Internet space.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 26, 2024 17:33:57 GMT -5
As context, as I'm sure you'll recall from the posts in this thread TC, people were saying Pitino looked like a cadaver and using his age against him, saying he'd only be at St. John's for a few years. However, in the last week leading into Cooley's return to Providence, we've gotten published clarity on two items: 1) Cooley was telling Big East media members that he would only be coaching for 4-5 years; and 2) Cooley had/has serious health problems that literally weigh on his ability to coach Why is it OK to use Pitino's health and age against him on this board, but you want to stifle any discussion of a similar nature about Cooley? This conversation is a waste of time and valuable Internet space. For once, I agree with guru. Cooley is our coach, barring something crazy, he's going to be our coach for at least 4-5 years (and very possibly longer), and nothing you say will change that. I realize some members of our community cannot accept that, but it's the reality. As for hoyaboya's "question" above, this is mostly a straw man and you're trying to relitigate an issue that is finished, and that was really never much of an issue to begin with. Most of the negative criticism of Pitino had nothing to do with his age. You know that.
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Post by Admin on Jan 26, 2024 18:20:45 GMT -5
This thread is closed following the comments above.
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