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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Sept 17, 2023 22:15:39 GMT -5
State schools fared well, I wonder if they tweaked the formula. Don’t particularly agree with UNC in the top-25. My overrated schools got deservedly dinged- Emory, Wash U, Carnegie Mellon, Notre Dame, NYU, USC.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Sept 17, 2023 22:28:06 GMT -5
Some of these schools should not be ahead of us. Are we satisfied with this? That’s a pretty solid list above us. We should not be tied with UNC, but the state schools all made a jump upwards. I see Berkeley above GU, but could make a case that we should be above UCLA and Michigan. Through my Blue & Gray lenses we could be above Rice, Vanderbilt and Note Dame. It’s a tough call. Which schools should be below GU?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 17, 2023 23:04:37 GMT -5
That’s a pretty solid list above us. We should not be tied with UNC, but the state schools all made a jump upwards. I see Berkeley above GU, but could make a case that we should be above UCLA and Michigan. Through my Blue & Gray lenses we could be above Rice, Vanderbilt and Note Dame. It’s a tough call. Which schools should be below GU? It's a great question, and it depends on what end of the spectrum you want to evaluate Georgetown versus major research universities. For years, a valid criticism by the state schools is that US News rewarded admissions selectivity over academic output, which is what kept Washington-STL, Emory, and Carnegie Mellon in the top tier and shut out the likes of larger schools Florida, UT-Austin, and the UC schools at San Diego, Davis, and Irvine. (Edited) This year's list has elevated the California schools and the "public Ivies" (Berkeley, Michigan, UNC) as a sign that these metrics will get more attention going forward. Georgetown ranks 92nd in research expenditures but scores much better on the "soft" metrics of these surveys in selectivity and student perception, much less so on PhD's granted or expenditures per student. But the operative question is to what degree Georgetown can (or would) align its programs to get to #20 or above. Relative to private schools, Vanderbilt is a peer within reach, Notre Dame maybe, but it's difficult to see GU as being in a competitive circle with Rice, Chicago, or Hopkins without a serious commitment to the applied sciences. In reality, maybe Georgetown is quite content being at #22, and nothing in the capital campaign represents an aspirant effort to materially change that position. Public policy isn't a mover, the DC focus of the School of Health is, at least at the start, limited, and the loose nature of the "Earth Commons" project are not game changers.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 18, 2023 8:56:53 GMT -5
For years, a valid criticism by the state schools is that US News rewarded admissions selectivity over academic output, which is what kept Washington-STL, Emory, and Carnegie Mellon in the top tier and shut out the likes of larger schools Florida, UT-Austin, and the Cal branches of UCSD, UCD, and UCSF. This year's list has elevated the California schools and the "public Ivies" (Berkeley, Michigan, UNC) as a sign that these metrics will get more attention going forward. UCSF does not have any undergraduates, so it's not going to show up on the main rankings regardless.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 18, 2023 9:08:36 GMT -5
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 18, 2023 13:53:32 GMT -5
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Sept 18, 2023 14:36:37 GMT -5
The Big East is a conference of academic misfits.
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Post by hoyaguy on Sept 18, 2023 22:01:14 GMT -5
The Big East is a conference of academic misfits. I see with the different methodology Villanova took a big hit and not BE related but I’m surprised how low Fordham is (perhaps it’s my northeastern upbringing warping my perception but 89?) Again, I don’t think academic rankings in a conference matter unless we start inviting unaccredited places or university of Phoenix online. That way of thinking at least had a hand in killing the PAC 12 who were arbitrarily snobby. The idea of ranking entire complex universities down to one list is already an absurd thing considering the hundreds of programs within each school but using that as a tool to judge schools’ and relate it to membership of an athletic conference makes even less sense. The only way it would ever “matter” (in heavy quotes there) is if there was a conference like: Georgetown (if we actually did scholarhip football), ND, Duke, Stanford, Rice, Army, Navy, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Cal, Michigan, UVA, UNC, UCLA, Texas, then maybe Wisconsin or Georgia tech idk. Which would never happen and again a lot of those picks are just based on marketing and public perception. To be fair that would be an insane conference with national powers and decent rivalries in basically every sport. So do you have a solution to our conference of misfits? Edit: And in a way I think we do fit in with the BE schools in some ways such as not throwing our student athletes under the bus for the sake of tv money and having them fly more hours each week than being in the classroom. I personally think that’s a positive quality to share.
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 19, 2023 7:03:19 GMT -5
WaPo manages to publish article on USNWR rankings without mentioning Georgetown. While it may be argued that the article was about shifts in rankings and Georgetown remained unchanged, all it takes is one sentence mentioning that fact if you are mentioning the DMV universities. U.S. News college rankings are scrambled as its formula changes But in Maryland, Virginia and the District of Columbia, the new ranking formula produced several larger shifts. Among them, the University of Maryland, a public flagship, cracked the top 50, rising nine steps to 46th. American University, previously 72nd, fell to 105th, and Howard University, previously 89th, fell to 115th. Both of those D.C. universities are private. George Mason University, the largest public university in Virginia, rose from 137th to 105th. www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/09/18/us-news-college-rankings-methodology-changes/
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 19, 2023 10:02:28 GMT -5
The Big East is a conference of academic misfits. It’s an athletic arrangement so who the F cares?
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Post by happyhoya1979 on Sept 19, 2023 14:48:13 GMT -5
WaPo manages to publish article on USNWR rankings without mentioning Georgetown. While it may be argued that the article was about shifts in rankings and Georgetown remained unchanged, all it takes is one sentence mentioning that fact if you are mentioning the DMV universities. U.S. News college rankings are scrambled as its formula changes But in Maryland, Virginia and the District of Columbia, the new ranking formula produced several larger shifts. Among them, the University of Maryland, a public flagship, cracked the top 50, rising nine steps to 46th. American University, previously 72nd, fell to 105th, and Howard University, previously 89th, fell to 115th. Both of those D.C. universities are private. George Mason University, the largest public university in Virginia, rose from 137th to 105th. www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/09/18/us-news-college-rankings-methodology-changes/The shift that is really noteworthy among the local schools is the rise of Virginia Tech to #47 overall, #20 among public universities and #13 among engineering schools offering a doctorate. Virginia Tech now outranks William & Mary which fell to #52. VT's civil engineering program even cracked the top 10 of the major ratings at #6.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Sept 19, 2023 19:09:37 GMT -5
The Big East is a conference of academic misfits. It’s an athletic arrangement so who the F cares? You don’t have a Georgetown degree, so you wouldn’t understand. 😉
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 19, 2023 21:31:06 GMT -5
It’s an athletic arrangement so who the F cares? You don’t have a Georgetown degree, so you wouldn’t understand. 😉 Wrong on every count.
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 20, 2023 5:37:55 GMT -5
WaPo manages to publish article on USNWR rankings without mentioning Georgetown. While it may be argued that the article was about shifts in rankings and Georgetown remained unchanged, all it takes is one sentence mentioning that fact if you are mentioning the DMV universities. U.S. News college rankings are scrambled as its formula changes But in Maryland, Virginia and the District of Columbia, the new ranking formula produced several larger shifts. Among them, the University of Maryland, a public flagship, cracked the top 50, rising nine steps to 46th. American University, previously 72nd, fell to 105th, and Howard University, previously 89th, fell to 115th. Both of those D.C. universities are private. George Mason University, the largest public university in Virginia, rose from 137th to 105th. www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/09/18/us-news-college-rankings-methodology-changes/The shift that is really noteworthy among the local schools is the rise of Virginia Tech to #47 overall, #20 among public universities and #13 among engineering schools offering a doctorate. Virginia Tech now outranks William & Mary which fell to #52. VT's civil engineering program even cracked the top 10 of the major ratings at #6. VT's architecture program is also nationally ranked. aad.vt.edu/about/rankings.html
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Post by guru on Sept 20, 2023 17:26:43 GMT -5
You don’t have a Georgetown degree, so you wouldn’t understand. 😉 Wrong on every count. It was really nice around here when you weren’t posting
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Sept 20, 2023 20:34:27 GMT -5
I always think Penn and NW are ranked too high. I had interviewed two gentlemen, who either got wait-listed or denied at Georgetown, yet one got into (and went to) Penn, the other into NW. Probably Wharton brings Penn up in the list. I can't complain about Cornell, my grad school.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Sept 20, 2023 21:43:54 GMT -5
I always think Penn and NW are ranked too high. I had interviewed two gentlemen, who either got wait-listed or denied at Georgetown, yet one got into (and went to) Penn, the other into NW. Probably Wharton brings Penn up in the list. I can't complain about Cornell, my grad school. I am guilty of factoring in the prestige of a university’s business & law schools when ranking an undergraduate institution. Therefore, NW & Penn are high in my book.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 25, 2023 9:23:16 GMT -5
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Sept 25, 2023 11:46:14 GMT -5
The public universities are pounding their chests right now with the boost in rankings. You’re always going to have winners and losers. In my opinion, Vanderbilt is overrated, not a top-15 university.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Sept 25, 2023 13:56:25 GMT -5
As someone who went to the law school there, I can say with firsthand experience that Vandy fans excel at complaining about officiating.
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