Ranking Season Underway....

[WilsonBlvdHoya]

anddddd - GU does extremely well on the Niche site for its 2024 ranking. So well that it's #12, ahead of places like Duke, Cornell, Pomona, Northwestern and others!! Consider Niche the SBUX of college rankings in releasing its Pumpkin Spice offerings so early.....

Nice to see this instead of USNWR's usual punishment of GU's comparatively smaller endowment....Hoya Saxa!!

www.niche.com/colleges/search/best-colleges/?lid=iny95wsjsrhu&utm_source=lifecycle&utm_medium=email&utm_content=announcement_alumni&utm_campaign=collegerankings

[Bigs"R"Us]

Aug 28, 2023 15:23:58 GMT -5 WilsonBlvdHoya said:

anddddd - GU does extremely well on the Niche site for its 2024 ranking. So well that it's #12, ahead of places like Duke, Cornell, Pomona, Northwestern and others!! Consider Niche the SBUX of college rankings in releasing its Pumpkin Spice offerings so early.....

Nice to see this instead of USNWR's usual punishment of GU's comparatively smaller endowment....Hoya Saxa!!

www.niche.com/colleges/search/best-colleges/?lid=iny95wsjsrhu&utm_source=lifecycle&utm_medium=email&utm_content=announcement_alumni&utm_campaign=collegerankings

Not sure any sane list has GU ahead of Duke or Northwestern today. As a GU grad it’s fun to see though.

[RusskyHoya]

Forbes has Georgetown at 15: www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2023/08/28/harvard-harvey-mudd-top-washington-monthlys-2023-college-rankings/

[RusskyHoya]

Aug 28, 2023 22:58:28 GMT -5 Bigs"R"Us said:

Not sure any sane list has GU ahead of Duke or Northwestern today. As a GU grad it’s fun to see though.

Depends what you prioritize. Duke is not need-blind for internationals, which dings their reputation among many, as well as hindering their diversity (to give just one example that I know especially well).

Northwestern, meanwhile, has been shooting itself in the Nixon repeatedly over the last few years.

[Bigs"R"Us]

Aug 29, 2023 7:57:49 GMT -5 RusskyHoya said:

Forbes has Georgetown at 15: www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2023/08/28/harvard-harvey-mudd-top-washington-monthlys-2023-college-rankings/

No Dartmouth or Brown in the top-25? 🤪

[RusskyHoya]

Aug 29, 2023 8:43:12 GMT -5 Bigs"R"Us said:

Aug 29, 2023 7:57:49 GMT -5 RusskyHoya said:

Forbes has Georgetown at 15: www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2023/08/28/harvard-harvey-mudd-top-washington-monthlys-2023-college-rankings/

No Dartmouth or Brown in the top-25? 🤪

Like I said - depends what you prioritize. Credit to Forbes for making their methodology transparent - and sticking with it when it does things like place FIU in the Top 25. The equation of any and all rankings with some nebulous concept of "prestige" has done tremendous harm to popular understandings of academia.

[Bigs"R"Us]

Aug 29, 2023 9:20:03 GMT -5 RusskyHoya said:

Aug 29, 2023 8:43:12 GMT -5 Bigs"R"Us said:

No Dartmouth or Brown in the top-25? 🤪

Like I said - depends what you prioritize. Credit to Forbes for making their methodology transparent - and sticking with it when it does things like place FIU in the Top 25. The equation of any and all rankings with some nebulous concept of "prestige" has done tremendous harm to popular understandings of academia.

That is not the Forbes ranking. In Forbes Duke 17, Northwestern 18 and Georgetown 20.

[RusskyHoya]

Aug 29, 2023 12:22:57 GMT -5 Bigs"R"Us said:

Aug 29, 2023 9:20:03 GMT -5 RusskyHoya said:

Like I said - depends what you prioritize. Credit to Forbes for making their methodology transparent - and sticking with it when it does things like place FIU in the Top 25. The equation of any and all rankings with some nebulous concept of "prestige" has done tremendous harm to popular understandings of academia.

That is not the Forbes ranking. In Forbes Duke 17, Northwestern 18 and Georgetown 20.

Yes, you're right - Forbes wrote the piece I linked, but it's the Washington Monthly rankings. Fingers operating faster than my brain.

[Bigs"R"Us]

The Forbes list isn’t bad. It basically punishes the schools I find way overrated in the USN&WR rankings:

Notre Dame 38
Wash U 40
NYU 46
Carnegie Mellon 59
Emory 66

This list includes colleges.

[RusskyHoya]

Aug 29, 2023 15:41:42 GMT -5 Bigs"R"Us said:

The Forbes list isn’t bad. It basically punishes the schools I find way overrated in the USN&WR rankings:

Notre Dame 38
Wash U 40
NYU 46
Carnegie Mellon 59
Emory 66

This list includes colleges.

For what it's worth, here's the Forbes methodology:
www.forbes.com/sites/emmawhitford/2023/08/29/how-we-rank-americas-best-colleges/

[Bigs"R"Us]

ACC vs. Big East in USN&WR University Rankings:

3- Stanford
10- Duke
18- Notre Dame
20- California
22- Georgetown (BE)
25- Virginia
29- North Carolina
29- Wake Forest
36- Boston College
44- Georgia Tech
51- Villanova (BE)
55- Florida State
55- Miami
62- Syracuse
62- Pittsburg
62- Virginia Tech
67- Connecticut (BE)
72- NC State
72- SMU
77- Clemson
83- Marquette (BE)
115- Creighton (BE)
137- DePaul (BE)
166- St. John’s (BE)
166- Xavier (BE)

We are not in a conference with our peers. We belong in the ACC.

[CTHoya08]

Oh cool let’s just join the ACC then. I’m sure they’ll take us as soon as we point out our USN&WR ranking.

[DFW HOYA]

Sept 6, 2023 16:20:44 GMT -5 Bigs"R"Us said:

We are not in a conference with our peers. We belong in the ACC.

Who are our "peers"?

When the ACC was created in 1953, it was a group of seven Southern Conference schools who wanted a league of their own amidst smaller teams like VMI, The Citadel, Washington & Lee, and even George Washington. The ACC was the early 1950s version of college realignment: Clemson, Duke, Maryland, UNC, NC State, South Carolina, and Wake Forest. An eighth team was added in Virginia after Penn allegedly turned it down because of segregation for athletic teams in those states. But Georgetown was never a peer of these schools as it had moved away from those opponents 30 years earlier and had dropped football just before the ACC was founded.

Fast forward to 2023. Georgetown really isn't a peer to ACC or Big East schools. Brand-wise, it orbits with a group of national, Division I private research universities (Stanford, Duke, Northwestern, Rice, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, USC), but without the applied sciences and the research dollars these schools enjoy, and of course, the endowments. Georgetown is an academic outlier in the aforementioned group (e.g., no applied sciences) and an athletic outlier as well: a hodge-podge of very high-budget basketball, very low-budget football (one of just two Eastern non-scholarship football programs left outside the Ivy) and a variety of other sports that are variously funded and supported.

Outside of Duke and maybe BC, I don't see a lot of peer attraction to the other ACC schools, nor do I suspect Miami and SMU see Georgetown as an aspirant program.

[Bigs"R"Us]

Part of creating rivalries is having friends at opposing schools. I had friends at Duke, UVA, UNC, etc. I didn’t have one friend that went to any current BE school, including Villanova. Maybe, I’m just old.

[RusskyHoya]

[Bigs"R"Us]

Sept 6, 2023 20:40:05 GMT -5 RusskyHoya said:

The WSJ rankings are a joke. Here are a few head scratchers:

67- Brown
84- Virginia
99- Hopkins
287- Tufts

Poor Jumbos. Such disrespect.

[DallasHoya]

We’re #4!!! From the bottom.

College Free Speech Rankings

rankings.thefire.org/rank

[RusskyHoya]

Sept 6, 2023 21:44:02 GMT -5 DallasHoya said:

We’re #4!!! From the bottom.

College Free Speech Rankings

rankings.thefire.org/rank

I'm not reflexively anti-FIRE the way many folks in academia are, but their rankings are beyond silly:

The rankings rely heavily on student responses and on how schools responded to deplatforming attempts, which seek to prevent speakers from expressing themselves. Each school’s speech code rating also factored into the scoring. Most schools without any policies that imperil free speech rose in the rankings, while those with restrictive speech codes fell.

[DFW HOYA]

US News: #22, unchanged from 2022. Lots of change elsewhere, as noted on the front page.

Change from 2022's list:
1. Princeton (--)
2. MIT (--)
3. Harvard (--)
3. Stanford (--)
5. Yale (-2)
6. Penn (+1)
7. Cal Tech (+3)
7. Duke (+3)
9. Brown (-4)
9. Johns Hopkins (-2)
9. Northwestern (+1)
12. Columbia (+6)
12. Cornell (+5)
12. Chicago (-6)
15. California (+5)
15. UCLA (+5)
17. Rice (-2)
18. Dartmouth (-6)
18. Vanderbilt (-5)
20. Notre Dame (-2)
21. Michigan (+4)
22. Georgetown (--)
22. North Carolina (+7)
24. Carnegie Mellon (-2)
24. Emory (-2)
24. Virginia (+1)
24. Washington, MO (-9)

www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

[nbhoya]

Some of these schools should not be ahead of us. Are we satisfied with this?