Hoyas Rising

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[miracles87]

May 23, 2023 11:30:30 GMT -5 DanMcQ said:

Do those numbers refer to dollars contributed, or words written on HoyaTalk?

[HometownHoya]

May 23, 2023 13:49:09 GMT -5 miracles87 said:

May 23, 2023 11:30:30 GMT -5 DanMcQ said:

Do those numbers refer to dollars contributed, or words written on HoyaTalk?

You mean my pointless posting will finally has purpose!?

[hoyaguy]

Always getting further entrenched...

[DanMcQ]

May 23, 2023 14:22:50 GMT -5 hoyaguy said:

Always getting further entrenched...

Snide remarks aside, Mr. Brosnan has wuite a bit of sports business experience.

[hoyaguy]

May 23, 2023 14:26:50 GMT -5 DanMcQ said:

May 23, 2023 14:22:50 GMT -5 hoyaguy said:

Always getting further entrenched...

Snide remarks aside, Mr. Brosnan has wuite a bit of sports business experience.

Agreed that he seems qualified instead of a bunch of crazed fickle boosters that are always a hair trigger from firing the coach at places like some large state schools. And regarding my not so subtle comment, I think it is fair to dislike the continued strategic placement of allies by the man who led the program into this crater in the first place, who still insists on retaining a powerful position in it despite obvious incompetence. 

[EtomicB]

May 23, 2023 11:15:28 GMT -5 DanMcQ said:

How is this different from The Blueprint?

[hoopsmccan]

May 23, 2023 14:35:20 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

May 23, 2023 11:15:28 GMT -5 DanMcQ said:

How is this different from The Blueprint?

They are actually promoting it, for starters.

hm

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[daveg023]

For what’s it worth, I’ve heard Cooley has impressed several large donors that had previously stopped supporting the school over the last few years.

Though it’s been said before on here, I’ve also heard that our NIL budget was among the smallest in the BE last year. Getting the annual pool to $2MM is apparently the baseline goal, with the aspirational goal of getting it to $4-5MM.

[DFW HOYA]

May 23, 2023 14:35:05 GMT -5 hoyaguy said:

Agreed that he seems qualified instead of a bunch of crazed fickle boosters that are always a hair trigger from firing the coach at places like some large state schools. And regarding my not so subtle comment, I think it is fair to dislike the continued strategic placement of allies by the man who led the program into this crater in the first place, who still insists on retaining a powerful position in it despite obvious incompetence. 

You've thrown around the competence claim before with no real argument other than you don't approve of him hiring or retaining Patrick Ewing. In this case, it's less about Jack strategically placing talent and more likely that real business talent went to Georgetown and saying, "We can do this"; otherwise, Georgetown is still selling the Blueprint that netted almost no NIL activity.

Yes, we talk a lot of basketball around here but, as difficulty as it may be for a blogger and occasional Twitter feeds to remind themselves, it's a very small part of the 2023 ecosystem, and certainly not as visible as it once was as a driver of institutional policy. Men's basketball spending makes up roughly 1% of overall spend, and roughly 1% of alumni are season ticket holders. More than half of degree recipients last weekend never took a class on the main campus, and most of these "Hoyas" know its campus as a office building at 640 Mass Ave. A University President is a CEO and if he does not manage his time to drive the depth and breadth of the enterprise, it breaks down. You don't have to agree with someone to recognize that after 22 years there is an implied competence that the University is doing its job and has not gone into receivership during his tenure.

As to "status quo" and impatience over rankings, that's a fair conversation. Georgetown is not a groundswell for rapid innovation and higher education is preternaturally opposed to it. When a college president comes out for change, he or she pays a price. Take Thomas LeBlanc at GW, who proposed reducing the size of the undergraduate population by 20 percent (which would reduce fixed costs, improve acceptance rates, and drive US News ratings as a byproduct) and redirect that into STEM. Sound plausible, so how did that go? He was forced out within 18 months. A cadre of faculty whose six figure incomes are guaranteed for life are not looking for change and USN&WR rankings are of passing interest to them.

Managing the Venn diagram of faculty, parents, donors, alumni, and public perceptions is more than a full time job and a lot of college presidents spend far less time worrying about basketball than does Georgetown. The selection of Ed Cooley was a tacit admission that the House of Thompson had run its course, and it was a fairly visible decision from the President's office. But then, too, so was committing hundreds of millions of dollars on a downtown campus, a big play in public health, not committing to matching the no-loan tuition offers of its peers, or simply to choose which myriad of priorities in a six year, $3 billion campaign rise up and which lay fallow.

Competency goes both ways. In the present campaign, over 250 university departments, organizations, and entities submitted requests for funding on the link below. Absent from that list? Men's and women's basketball.

calledtobe.georgetown.edu/opportunities/

[hoya9797]

If retaining (or even hiring) Pat Ewing for the most prominent job at the University isn’t incompetence, then what is?

[guru]

May 24, 2023 6:56:49 GMT -5 hoya9797 said:

If retaining (or even hiring) Pat Ewing for the most prominent job at the University isn’t incompetence, then what is?

You’re still here?

[hoyasaxa2003]

May 23, 2023 19:09:26 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

May 23, 2023 14:35:05 GMT -5 hoyaguy said:

Agreed that he seems qualified instead of a bunch of crazed fickle boosters that are always a hair trigger from firing the coach at places like some large state schools. And regarding my not so subtle comment, I think it is fair to dislike the continued strategic placement of allies by the man who led the program into this crater in the first place, who still insists on retaining a powerful position in it despite obvious incompetence. 

You've thrown around the competence claim before with no real argument other than you don't approve of him hiring or retaining Patrick Ewing. In this case, it's less about Jack strategically placing talent and more likely that real business talent went to Georgetown and saying, "We can do this"; otherwise, Georgetown is still selling the Blueprint that netted almost no NIL activity.

Yes, we talk a lot of basketball around here but, as difficulty as it may be for a blogger and occasional Twitter feeds to remind themselves, it's a very small part of the 2023 ecosystem, and certainly not as visible as it once was as a driver of institutional policy. Men's basketball spending makes up roughly 1% of overall spend, and roughly 1% of alumni are season ticket holders. More than half of degree recipients last weekend never took a class on the main campus, and most of these "Hoyas" know its campus as a office building at 640 Mass Ave. A University President is a CEO and if he does not manage his time to drive the depth and breadth of the enterprise, it breaks down. You don't have to agree with someone to recognize that after 22 years there is an implied competence that the University is doing its job and has not gone into receivership during his tenure.

As to "status quo" and impatience over rankings, that's a fair conversation. Georgetown is not a groundswell for rapid innovation and higher education is preternaturally opposed to it. When a college president comes out for change, he or she pays a price. Take Thomas LeBlanc at GW, who proposed reducing the size of the undergraduate population by 20 percent (which would reduce fixed costs, improve acceptance rates, and drive US News ratings as a byproduct) and redirect that into STEM. Sound plausible, so how did that go? He was forced out within 18 months. A cadre of faculty whose six figure incomes are guaranteed for life are not looking for change and USN&WR rankings are of passing interest to them.

Managing the Venn diagram of faculty, parents, donors, alumni, and public perceptions is more than a full time job and a lot of college presidents spend far less time worrying about basketball than does Georgetown. The selection of Ed Cooley was a tacit admission that the House of Thompson had run its course, and it was a fairly visible decision from the President's office. But then, too, so was committing hundreds of millions of dollars on a downtown campus, a big play in public health, not committing to matching the no-loan tuition offers of its peers, or simply to choose which myriad of priorities in a six year, $3 billion campaign rise up and which lay fallow.

Competency goes both ways. In the present campaign, over 250 university departments, organizations, and entities submitted requests for funding on the link below. Absent from that list? Men's and women's basketball.

calledtobe.georgetown.edu/opportunities/

You make some valid points, but I do think it ignores the most egregious of all actions taken with respect to Ewing. I think all or most of us can agree that even if one thought the initial hiring of Ewing was a bad idea in 2017, there was a case to be made. In retrospect, it's obviously easy to pile onto DeGioia for that, though I think that John Thompson bears a lot of responsibility for that too. As for "retaining" Ewing, I do think that retaining someone who is 0-20 in his fifth season for another season is mostly, if not entirely unprecedented, and highly questionable. Still, I think at most those decisions are essentially just bad decisions.

Where I have a problem is that DeGioia agreed to extend Ewing after 2021 without a buyout, even though he had 2 years left on his original contract and other than the BET win, Ewing had struggled. This decision is even more egregious because I truly think that no outside observer or decision maker, faced with the same facts in 2021, would have given Ewing an extension like that with no buyout.

Frankly, I don't care if men's basketball is 1% of the overall budget. DeGioia made a negligent and arguably reckless decision to extend Ewing in 2021, which will now result in the university paying him an additional several years. We are paying an entire Ewing extension over which time he will (thankfully) not be coaching. That DeGioia allowed that to happen is not only negligent but a high degree of mismanagement.

[DFW HOYA]

May 24, 2023 23:15:19 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

You make some valid points, but I do think it ignores the most egregious of all actions taken with respect to Ewing. I think all or most of us can agree that even if one thought the initial hiring of Ewing was a bad idea in 2017, there was a case to be made. In retrospect, it's obviously easy to pile onto DeGioia for that, though I think that John Thompson bears a lot of responsibility for that too. As for "retaining" Ewing, I do think that retaining someone who is 0-20 in his fifth season for another season is mostly, if not entirely unprecedented, and highly questionable. Still, I think at most those decisions are essentially just bad decisions.

Where I have a problem is that DeGioia agreed to extend Ewing after 2021 without a buyout, even though he had 2 years left on his original contract and other than the BET win, Ewing had struggled. This decision is even more egregious because I truly think that no outside observer or decision maker, faced with the same facts in 2021, would have given Ewing an extension like that with no buyout.

Frankly, I don't care if men's basketball is 1% of the overall budget. DeGioia made a negligent and arguably reckless decision to extend Ewing in 2021, which will now result in the university paying him an additional several years. We are paying an entire Ewing extension over which time he will (thankfully) not be coaching. That DeGioia allowed that to happen is not only negligent but a high degree of mismanagement.

Two thoughts:

1. The size and substance of the contract remains opaque, and Georgetown wants it to remain so. Blogs aside, there is no confirmation on any sums until the IRS Form 990's are released, usually a couple years after the fact (the last current report is the 2020-21 season). The confluence of name recognition, personal friendships, the presence of the House of Thompson, and Ewing's relationship as a major donor/high wealth prospect (and former member of the Board of Directors) was a bad mix for all this. Notwithstanding, even the worst pessimist in 2021 would have looked at a 62-59 record and first round NCAA bid after four seasons and could have predicted what followed.

2. It's speculative that "we" are paying any buyout. JT III's buyout hit the University P&L because no donors came forward to cover it and he was a "highly compensated employee" for the next two seasons. 100% opinion only, but I would not be surprised if private money came forward to close the deal, which would also take the sum off the books.