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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on Jul 7, 2023 8:38:19 GMT -5
Providence played them twice over the last four years, so Cooley seems to have a relationship there.
And hey - they have the nation's longest active winning streak - 11 games!
And they beat FDU in their last game! 300+ juggernaut.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 7, 2023 9:45:34 GMT -5
I don't love the Merrimack scheduling, but a post-Thanksgiving easier game isn't the end of the world. If Jackson State and Merrimack are the only two 300-levels we get, I am fine with that, but I really don't want more.
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Post by conshyhoya on Jul 7, 2023 10:29:48 GMT -5
I don't love the Merrimack scheduling, but a post-Thanksgiving easier game isn't the end of the world. If Jackson State and Merrimack are the only two 300-levels we get, I am fine with that, but I really don't want more. I would prefer someone better like Maryland so hopefully that takes the place next year but they would have been in the NCAA tournament 2 out of the 4 years they have been in D1 if it wasn't for the reclassification rule. That is more than we can say.
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Jul 13, 2023 12:12:32 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 13, 2023 12:13:20 GMT -5
First game with Holy Cross since 1979.
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on Jul 13, 2023 12:30:06 GMT -5
LeMoyne: NR (Northeast conference was the worst in D-I this year. Only 1 team - FDU - in top 300) Holy Cross: 342 Rutgers: 39 MtStMarys: 279 American: 274 Jackson St: 304 Merrimack: 309 TCU: 25 Syracuse: 118 Coppin State: 338 Notre Dame: 166
KP 2022-23 rankings. Woof. It's not unlike the schedule Cooley had last year (#352 in the country).
4 300+ teams, 1 likely 300+ team (LeMoyne), and 2 more possibles. That could be 7 total. No matter which side of that line they end up on... all of those games are must wins -- even for this squad.
So that basically whittles down the pre-season to 4 games: Rutgers, TCU, Syracuse, and Notre Dame.
I'd be fine with 1-3 there, giddy over 2-2, and completely delusional about our regular season chances with 3 or 4 wins.
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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on Jul 13, 2023 12:47:56 GMT -5
LeMoyne: NR (Northeast conference was the worst in D-I this year. Only 1 team - FDU - in top 300) Holy Cross: 342 Rutgers: 39 MtStMarys: 279 American: 274 Jackson St: 304 Merrimack: 309 TCU: 25 Syracuse: 118 Coppin State: 338 Notre Dame: 166 KP 2022-23 rankings. Woof. It's not unlike the schedule Cooley had last year (#352 in the country). 4 300+ teams, 1 likely 300+ team (LeMoyne), and 2 more possibles. That could be 7 total. No matter which side of that line they end up on... all of those games are must wins -- even for this squad. So that basically whittles down the pre-season to 4 games: Rutgers, TCU, Syracuse, and Notre Dame. I'd be fine with 1-3 there, giddy over 2-2, and completely delusional about our regular season chances with 3 or 4 wins. Split Cuse and TCU and 10-1 is my bare minimum expectation if we are going to be competitive. That’s also 4 Quad 1-2 OOC games and given that all BE games barring 1-2 will be Quad 1/2 then we have 20+/- Quad 1 + 2 games this year. 10/10 in conference gets you in the tournament if you go 3-1 OOC
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Post by BeantownHoya on Jul 13, 2023 13:02:20 GMT -5
Cooley is getting a pass from me on everything in year 1 recognizing what these last 2 years have looked like...but that is one awful schedule outside the Big 4...
There is no reason you can't find numerous beatable teams in the 200-250 range and not kill your OCC schedule ranking...yes I realize the BE schedule typically will be enough most years to find quality wins...but c'mon...
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Post by dariantownesvanzandt on Jul 13, 2023 13:02:26 GMT -5
LeMoyne: NR (Northeast conference was the worst in D-I this year. Only 1 team - FDU - in top 300) Holy Cross: 342 Rutgers: 39 MtStMarys: 279 American: 274 Jackson St: 304 Merrimack: 309 TCU: 25 Syracuse: 118 Coppin State: 338 Notre Dame: 166 KP 2022-23 rankings. Woof. It's not unlike the schedule Cooley had last year (#352 in the country). 4 300+ teams, 1 likely 300+ team (LeMoyne), and 2 more possibles. That could be 7 total. No matter which side of that line they end up on... all of those games are must wins -- even for this squad. So that basically whittles down the pre-season to 4 games: Rutgers, TCU, Syracuse, and Notre Dame. I'd be fine with 1-3 there, giddy over 2-2, and completely delusional about our regular season chances with 3 or 4 wins. Split Cuse and TCU and 10-1 is my bare minimum expectation if we are going to be competitive. That’s also 4 Quad 1-2 OOC games and given that all BE games barring 1-2 will be Quad 1/2 then we have 20+/- Quad 1 + 2 games this year. 10/10 in conference gets you in the tournament if you go 3-1 OOC Competitive (this team/this season) for me is: being in nearly every game, winning some we "shouldn't", having a bright future. I'm not really considering a top half of the conference position or a tournament spot this year. If we're close to that, something has gone exceedingly right. My guess is we still finish somewhere in the 8-11 range, where we'll almost certainly be picked pre-season. If we finish between 5-7, maybe we'll lament this soft-as-Charmin OOC... but I don't think that's gonna happen.
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Post by royski on Jul 13, 2023 13:05:23 GMT -5
Can we have a larger conversation about expectations? We've gone 2-38 the past two years. We've brought in (and shipped out) some talent, but I haven't seen national commentators raving about our moves or anything. People seriously think this is a tournament team?
I want to look like a real basketball team again, and win 5-6 games in conference. That would be serious progress.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jul 13, 2023 13:25:16 GMT -5
Amen
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Post by guru on Jul 13, 2023 13:48:19 GMT -5
Can we have a larger conversation about expectations? We've gone 2-38 the past two years. We've brought in (and shipped out) some talent, but I haven't seen national commentators raving about our moves or anything. People seriously think this is a tournament team? I want to look like a real basketball team again, and win 5-6 games in conference. That would be serious progress. I'm not sure how anyone could think this is a tournament team. We are presently at rock bottom. Nowhere to go but up, however slowly.
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Post by prhoya on Jul 13, 2023 14:18:54 GMT -5
Can we have a larger conversation about expectations? We've gone 2-38 the past two years. We've brought in (and shipped out) some talent, but I haven't seen national commentators raving about our moves or anything. People seriously think this is a tournament team? I want to look like a real basketball team again, and win 5-6 games in conference. That would be serious progress. I'm not sure how anyone could think this is a tournament team. We are presently at rock bottom. Nowhere to go but up, however slowly. Not as is. But, the roster is not full. Who knows what surprises Cooley has in store for us. In my opinion, we’re a sharpshooter and starting-caliber center away from a tournament team. Would a 18 ppg Ludlum, who is not a sharpshooter or center, tip the scales?
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Post by daveg023 on Jul 13, 2023 14:27:08 GMT -5
Caring about the OOC schedule, put together on the fly, in a year where we aren’t a bubble team, is foolish. I like the ND add and remember the Rutgers and TCU games are given to us because of our conference standing. Those could improve in subsequent years. Also we are holding back a home/home with Maryland for next season, so we couldn't make that promise to another team for this year, even if a game was out there to be made.
Now next year, we should be worried if we have a similar schedule and/or aren’t in a bigger MTE. Then it will come back to haunt Cooley come NCAA time.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jul 13, 2023 14:33:33 GMT -5
Next year Maryland will likely be on the schedule.
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Post by jpj on Jul 13, 2023 15:01:29 GMT -5
1) if the season opener is a 300-level cupcake - i'd prefer to see that game on campus and in front of the student body 2) prefer to play Howard vs Coppin State and Norfolk State vs Jackson State
it is a start on the road back
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Post by seaweed on Jul 13, 2023 15:26:52 GMT -5
First game with Holy Cross since 1979. See you all November 7! This has to be a Hoya record for schedule release. Life is good
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Jul 13, 2023 16:07:12 GMT -5
This schedule stinks
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Post by kbones17 on Jul 13, 2023 16:17:48 GMT -5
Schedule is a bit of a reality check on expectations. I think it shows Cooley expects this team to be a work in progress and that the cupcakes are 300+ rather than midmajor types. It’s not going to happen overnight folks.
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Post by hoyaguy on Jul 13, 2023 17:33:59 GMT -5
I don’t mind the schedule for the simple fact that this is year one and the future is looking really bright and there is obviously a real plan to return to doing well. And I don’t see the benefit of signing up for more potential Ls in nonconf with a young team that is unlikely to make the tournament. This schedule means we don’t have to do great in the BE to be around .500 overall which is important for showing recruits, current young players (aka retaining players and maintaining morale), and fans that there is progress.
The ND scheduling is good imo (also kind of bold considering Micah was also a candidate for this job) and adding Maryland instead of a 300+ next year along with a good/decent MTE would make this much more tolerable. And i agree in the future if there has to be a 200+ team on the schedule then make it Howard, GW, or another DMV team as it can at least get more people in the building. Ideally less 300+ teams. But I’ll also add that looking at Kenpom nonconference SOS, a lot of teams that got seeds ahead of providence last year had rankings in the 200s and 300s, not an excuse but was just a bit surprised
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