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Post by suicideslushpuppie on Jul 15, 2023 15:51:05 GMT -5
Anybody know why he's so adamant about visiting Georgetown first?
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Post by Omega on Jul 15, 2023 15:53:47 GMT -5
Anybody know why he's so adamant about visiting Georgetown first? Because it's Big Man U! Now I'm gonna sit back and listen to the naysayers...
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 15, 2023 18:11:53 GMT -5
Anybody know why he's so adamant about visiting Georgetown first? Because it's Big Man U! Now I'm gonna sit back and listen to the naysayers... It's not naysaying but it's an anachronism, along the lines of Penn State as "Linebacker U". It's been 15 years since a major center prospect signed with Georgetown (Greg Monroe, 2008) and the position has changed to the point where it's become a mobile PF, not the post players more associated with Georgetown of the past. In a sense, and it's admittedly a limited sample, Ryan Mutombo may be the last of that era, given that he's not mobile, hasn't shown an outside shot or the ability to set up assists, and hasn't shown consistent perimeter play.
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Post by Omega on Jul 15, 2023 18:48:32 GMT -5
Because it's Big Man U! Now I'm gonna sit back and listen to the naysayers... It's not naysaying but it's an anachronism, along the lines of Penn State as "Linebacker U". It's been 15 years since a major center prospect signed with Georgetown (Greg Monroe, 2008) and the position has changed to the point where it's become a mobile PF, not the post players more associated with Georgetown of the past. In a sense, and it's admittedly a limited sample, Ryan Mutombo may be the last of that era, given that he's not mobile, hasn't shown an outside shot or the ability to set up assists, and hasn't shown consistent perimeter play. It is naysaying. If he was a point guard then I can see the moniker of Big Man U not mattering. If Penn State is recruiting a linebacker, wouldn't they market themselves as linebacker U? Folks on this board are so ready to dismiss the past that is is getting crazy around here. A lot of the recruits are talking about restoring, not ignoring the past and starting over... I would suggest some of you get on board...
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 15, 2023 20:30:54 GMT -5
Folks on this board are so ready to dismiss the past that is is getting crazy around here. A lot of the recruits are talking about restoring, not ignoring the past and starting over... I would suggest some of you get on board... Agree to disagree. Restoring a brand identity for Georgetown basketball is not to summarily ignore the past. No one is expecting Georgetown to suddenly take down John Thompson's statue and go back to recruiting from Catholic high schools in northern New Jersey. Lee Reed said as much. "We knew we needed a leader, someone who understood our identity and could reimagine Georgetown basketball to fit today's unique basketball landscape." Georgetown needs to be "reimagined", as they say, with an appreciation for its past and a plan towards its future. In some ways, Ed Cooley has to start over because of what he was left with. But he is also respectful of what was built before him and knows what it takes to be a successful program of the mid-2020s and not just a legacy program. This is also the mandate for Rick Pitino.
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Post by conshyhoya on Jul 16, 2023 0:30:22 GMT -5
Because it's Big Man U! Now I'm gonna sit back and listen to the naysayers... It's not naysaying but it's an anachronism, along the lines of Penn State as "Linebacker U". It's been 15 years since a major center prospect signed with Georgetown (Greg Monroe, 2008) and the position has changed to the point where it's become a mobile PF, not the post players more associated with Georgetown of the past. In a sense, and it's admittedly a limited sample, Ryan Mutombo may be the last of that era, given that he's not mobile, hasn't shown an outside shot or the ability to set up assists, and hasn't shown consistent perimeter play. To be fair to Ryan he has hardly had a chance like you said and outside Govan who was a leftover from previous coaching Ewing hardly let Yurt7 deploy his outside game who we know does have that skillset yet alone any of his other centers. From the small sample size he may not but the coaching and schemes certainly didn't help him out at all.
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Post by Omega on Jul 16, 2023 12:27:19 GMT -5
It's not naysaying but it's an anachronism, along the lines of Penn State as "Linebacker U". It's been 15 years since a major center prospect signed with Georgetown (Greg Monroe, 2008) and the position has changed to the point where it's become a mobile PF, not the post players more associated with Georgetown of the past. In a sense, and it's admittedly a limited sample, Ryan Mutombo may be the last of that era, given that he's not mobile, hasn't shown an outside shot or the ability to set up assists, and hasn't shown consistent perimeter play. To be fair to Ryan he has hardly had a chance like you said and outside Govan who was a leftover from previous coaching Ewing hardly let Yurt7 deploy his outside game who we know does have that skillset yet alone any of his other centers. From the small sample size he may not but the coaching and schemes certainly didn't help him out at all. Just because yurt had that skill set doesn't mean it was best for the team... Say what u will that may have been Ewing's best team. They beat Smart and Texas, and was in the game against Duke until careless turnovers .. The sports landscape is littered with players who did not display a skill set at the college level because it was not in the best interest of the team. Who know Ewing had a jump shot during his playing days at GU. As the rumor goes, Dean Smith was the only person to hold Jordan under 20 points.
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Post by suicideslushpuppie on Jul 17, 2023 13:40:13 GMT -5
Allow myself to retort
Anybody know why he's so adamant about visiting Georgetown first?
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Post by dense on Jul 17, 2023 13:56:41 GMT -5
Allow myself to retort Anybody know why he's so adamant about visiting Georgetown first? Seems like he might be interested in staying near home. I think Tony Skinn leaving Maryland may effect this recruitment but he has stayed on the UA circuit so Maryland and the MD insiders havent changed their crystal balls.
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Post by Omega on Jul 17, 2023 16:45:39 GMT -5
Allow myself to retort Anybody know why he's so adamant about visiting Georgetown first? Retort again, maybe u will get a different answer...
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 17, 2023 17:56:48 GMT -5
Allow myself to retort Anybody know why he's so adamant about visiting Georgetown first? Start the bidding high before he goes to Maryland and Kansas, just like Hunter Dickinson did?
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Post by thedragon on Jul 17, 2023 20:55:47 GMT -5
Allow myself to retort Anybody know why he's so adamant about visiting Georgetown first? Start the bidding high before he goes to Maryland and Kansas, just like Hunter Dickinson did? 🤡
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Post by hoyasaxa18 on Jul 18, 2023 8:33:53 GMT -5
Allow myself to retort Anybody know why he's so adamant about visiting Georgetown first? Start the bidding high before he goes to Maryland and Kansas, just like Hunter Dickinson did? Boya, I do sometimes appreciate your recruiting updates, but this is pretty low. You've had a one-man thread going about how obvious it is that Cooley should be recruiting a top-10 caliber local talent like Queen, and then the moment he starts recruiting him, it's a waste of time? Should we or should we not be recruiting Queen?
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 18, 2023 8:45:52 GMT -5
Start the bidding high before he goes to Maryland and Kansas, just like Hunter Dickinson did? Boya, I do sometimes appreciate your recruiting updates, but this is pretty low. You've had a one-man thread going about how obvious it is that Cooley should be recruiting a top-10 caliber local talent like Queen, and then the moment he starts recruiting him, it's a waste of time? Should we or should we not be recruiting Queen? We absolutely should be recruiting Queen, just like we absolutely should have recruited Dickinson when it looked like we had a chance at him. I don't think it's a waste of time recruiting Queen at all. The poster was asking why Queen might want to visit Georgetown first? I was putting a guess out there, go ahead and ignore it if you'd like. If I was in Queen's camp, I'd do exactly what Hunter Dickinson did. That doesn't mean Queen will end up at Kansas. Heck, by the time Queen gets around to visiting Lawrence, Bidunga might be a Jayhawk. If you're Georgetown and when you have recruits of this caliber interested, you absolutely recruit them hard.
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Post by xpathoya on Jul 18, 2023 9:50:22 GMT -5
Start the bidding high before he goes to Maryland and Kansas, just like Hunter Dickinson did? Boya, I do sometimes appreciate your recruiting updates, but this is pretty low. You've had a one-man thread going about how obvious it is that Cooley should be recruiting a top-10 caliber local talent like Queen, and then the moment he starts recruiting him, it's a waste of time? Should we or should we not be recruiting Queen? Absolutely par for the course for boya. Constantly polluting this board with snide remarks and petty backhanded comments trying to sabotage the program from the inside out with his jilted-lover, obsessive, passive-aggressive negative publicity campaign not to mention the relentless firehose of DMV-area recruiting spam on "missed opportunities" and completely unrelated drivel just to point fingers, misdirect, and sow discontent and a general feeling of malaise. Dude would be permabanned in an instant on any other serious P6 team forum for all the shade he's thrown at our high school student commits (and family members) but alas here we are. Just the fact that this character is allowed to run willy nilly day in day out like a vandal on this board is an absolute disgrace that not only reflects poorly on this program but is god awful optics from the standpoint of any potential recruits even entertaining the thought of taking a chance on a ground-zero rebuild. Please banish this ghoul to Red Storm Nation or whatever the company he deserves.
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Post by hoyasaxa18 on Jul 18, 2023 9:57:26 GMT -5
Boya, I do sometimes appreciate your recruiting updates, but this is pretty low. You've had a one-man thread going about how obvious it is that Cooley should be recruiting a top-10 caliber local talent like Queen, and then the moment he starts recruiting him, it's a waste of time? Should we or should we not be recruiting Queen? We absolutely should be recruiting Queen, just like we absolutely should have recruited Dickinson when it looked like we had a chance at him. I don't think it's a waste of time recruiting Queen at all. The poster was asking why Queen might want to visit Georgetown first? I was putting a guess out there, go ahead and ignore it if you'd like. If I was in Queen's camp, I'd do exactly what Hunter Dickinson did. That doesn't mean Queen will end up at Kansas. Heck, by the time Queen gets around to visiting Lawrence, Bidunga might be a Jayhawk. If you're Georgetown and when you have recruits of this caliber interested, you absolutely recruit them hard. Gotcha - that makes more sense, thanks for clarifying. I personally think it's much more likely that we are trying to recruit Queen as a 2023 recruit, and are trying to differentiate ourselves from the pack by offering something the others can't or don't want to in reclassification. A summer visit would be necessary to pursue that avenue, so I think that could be why both parties might be interested in an early visit.
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Post by prhoya on Jul 18, 2023 10:07:08 GMT -5
Boya, I do sometimes appreciate your recruiting updates, but this is pretty low. You've had a one-man thread going about how obvious it is that Cooley should be recruiting a top-10 caliber local talent like Queen, and then the moment he starts recruiting him, it's a waste of time? Should we or should we not be recruiting Queen? Absolutely par for the course for boya. Constantly polluting this board with snide remarks and petty backhanded comments trying to sabotage the program from the inside out with his jilted-lover, obsessive, passive-aggressive negative publicity campaign not to mention the relentless firehose of DMV-area recruiting spam on "missed opportunities" and completely unrelated drivel just to point fingers, misdirect, and sow discontent and a general feeling of malaise. Dude would be permabanned in an instant on any other serious P6 team forum for all the shade he's thrown at our high school student commits (and family members) but alas here we are. Just the fact that this character is allowed to run willy nilly day in day out like a vandal on this board is an absolute disgrace that not only reflects poorly on this program but is god awful optics from the standpoint of any potential recruits even entertaining the thought of taking a chance on a ground-zero rebuild. Please banish this ghoul to Red Storm Nation or whatever the company he deserves. Respectfully disagree. Yes, he takes subtle shots from time to time, but he’s the only poster providing recruiting information about DMV players, Top 25 players, etc… in contact with GU. Pat Ewing taught me not to follow recruiting closely (because he missed on most of his targets and the recruits were going to come from left field). Now, this is the only site I check for GU recruiting news. That said, you’re correct in that he shouldn’t take shots at our new staff, who are very busy trying to rebuild the program, and recruits.
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Post by TC on Jul 18, 2023 10:11:43 GMT -5
Respectfully disagree. Yes, he takes subtle shots from time to time, but he’s the only poster providing recruiting information about DMV players, Top 25 players, etc… in contact with GU. That'd be a great argument if they were germane to Georgetown (here's 1,500 Patrick Ngongba updates after we already got a Sorber commitment because ? ? ?)
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Post by gojeffgoroyunder7 on Jul 18, 2023 11:02:57 GMT -5
Boya, I do sometimes appreciate your recruiting updates, but this is pretty low. You've had a one-man thread going about how obvious it is that Cooley should be recruiting a top-10 caliber local talent like Queen, and then the moment he starts recruiting him, it's a waste of time? Should we or should we not be recruiting Queen? Absolutely par for the course for boya. Constantly polluting this board with snide remarks and petty backhanded comments trying to sabotage the program from the inside out with his jilted-lover, obsessive, passive-aggressive negative publicity campaign not to mention the relentless firehose of DMV-area recruiting spam on "missed opportunities" and completely unrelated drivel just to point fingers, misdirect, and sow discontent and a general feeling of malaise. Dude would be permabanned in an instant on any other serious P6 team forum for all the shade he's thrown at our high school student commits (and family members) but alas here we are. Just the fact that this character is allowed to run willy nilly day in day out like a vandal on this board is an absolute disgrace that not only reflects poorly on this program but is god awful optics from the standpoint of any potential recruits even entertaining the thought of taking a chance on a ground-zero rebuild. Please banish this ghoul to Red Storm Nation or whatever the company he deserves. Post of the year.
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Post by prhoya on Jul 18, 2023 11:18:46 GMT -5
Respectfully disagree. Yes, he takes subtle shots from time to time, but he’s the only poster providing recruiting information about DMV players, Top 25 players, etc… in contact with GU. That'd be a great argument if they were germane to Georgetown (here's 1,500 Patrick Ngongba updates after we already got a Sorber commitment because ? ? ?) I guess he covers DMV and Top 25-50 talent. At least when we asked him to not start a new thread on every prospect, he complied.
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