NC / ACC Rivalry

[nbhoya]

I want to explore something a bit and ask a question. Beyond the catholic connection, why do you think Georgetown has never established a rivalry with the North Carolina ACC schools + UVA (more consistently)?

They’re in closer proximity than most all of our current “rivals”, most storied programs in college basketball, and we have history with them (ie. vs UNC in ‘82).

It just makes too much sense in my eyes.

[Bigs"R"Us]

Mar 21, 2023 23:02:40 GMT -5 nbhoya said:

I want to explore something a bit and ask a question. Beyond the catholic connection, why do you think Georgetown has never established a rivalry with the North Carolina ACC schools + UVA (more consistently)?

They’re in closer proximity than most all of our current “rivals”, most storied programs in college basketball, and we have history with them (ie. vs UNC in ‘82).

It just makes too much sense in my eyes.

Our conference rival was Syracuse. Our geographic rival should be Maryland, but there’s history there. UNC has a rival in Duke.

[professorhoya]

Mar 21, 2023 23:02:40 GMT -5 nbhoya said:

I want to explore something a bit and ask a question. Beyond the catholic connection, why do you think Georgetown has never established a rivalry with the North Carolina ACC schools + UVA (more consistently)?

They’re in closer proximity than most all of our current “rivals”, most storied programs in college basketball, and we have history with them (ie. vs UNC in ‘82).

It just makes too much sense in my eyes.

Think it has more to do with how the big east etc was developed through national tv contacts (big east espn) and tv national superstations (wgn DePaul Notre Dame network), acc Jefferson pilot (was more regional).

The whole idea was to keep the other conferences and teams off tv because tv coverage allowed for a bigger recruiting area (since player families could watch all their kids games even if they couldn’t travel to the games,

This was one of the advantages that Boyas other team DePaul had which they gradually lost as more and more schools had all their games televised on national tv.
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[DFW HOYA]

Mar 21, 2023 23:02:40 GMT -5 nbhoya said:

I want to explore something a bit and ask a question. Beyond the catholic connection, why do you think Georgetown has never established a rivalry with the North Carolina ACC schools + UVA (more consistently)? They’re in closer proximity than most all of our current “rivals”, most storied programs in college basketball, and we have history with them (ie. vs UNC in ‘82). It just makes too much sense in my eyes.

In the early 1900s, these were regular rivals on the Georgetown football calendar: UNC, NC State, VPI (Virginia Tech), and Virginia, with Maryland and West Virginia following later. The loss of major college football and Georgetown's subsequent attempt to position itself as more "northeastern" and less of a "southern" school each played a role.

[nbhoya]

Is it too late to start?

[professorhoya]

Mar 22, 2023 7:59:56 GMT -5 nbhoya said:

Is it too late to start?

ACC wouldn’t do it. They risk leaking their inflated top 25 ranking out of their league.

Both ACC and Big Ten get artificially high preseason rankings and then just keep that ranking in conference by beating up on each other. Then they get exposed in the tournament when they have to play real teams.

Their whole scheme falls apart if they play too many OCC games (which they will lose)

[Loyal Hoya]

It would be great if we consistently played Syracuse (historic rival) and Maryland (geographic rival). It would be nice if we also occasionally scheduled Virginia (geographic/academic rival).

Then, we should try to mix in teams from the SEC, Big 12, Pac 12, and West Coast Conference (Gonzaga, Saint Mary's, San Fran).

[nbhoya]

Mar 22, 2023 10:56:42 GMT -5 Loyal Hoya said:

It would be great if we consistently played Syracuse (historic rival) and Maryland (geographic rival). It would be nice if we also occasionally scheduled Virginia (geographic/academic rival).

Then, we should try to mix in teams from the SEC, Big 12, Pac 12, and West Coast Conference (Gonzaga, Saint Mary's, San Fran).

I’d add in Duke

[saxagael]

Mar 22, 2023 10:56:42 GMT -5 Loyal Hoya said:

It would be great if we consistently played Syracuse (historic rival) and Maryland (geographic rival). It would be nice if we also occasionally scheduled Virginia (geographic/academic rival).

Then, we should try to mix in teams from the SEC, Big 12, Pac 12, and West Coast Conference (Gonzaga, Saint Mary's, San Fran).

I'd really like to see games with SMC Gaels. I've pestered them about it in the past.

A Syracuse and Maryland regular round of games would also be great.

[hoyaguy]

Ideally we will see a North Carolina or Virginia team in a good mini tournament in November in the future as the commitment to Syracuse should remain strong as the prime normal non conf ACC game. Maryland would be a good match up regularly, but also hope the gavitt games continue since beating a big 10 could get us in on that overinflated big 10 value

[reformation]

They would gladly schedule Gtwn--all of the schools

Hopefully Cooley engages in more rational scheduling out of conference

[hoyasaxa2003]

Mar 22, 2023 12:10:58 GMT -5 reformation said:

They would gladly schedule Gtwn--all of the schools

Hopefully Cooley engages in more rational scheduling out of conference

Cooley said today that scheduling was the most important thing when you first take over a program like ours. Paraphrasing here, but he essentially said he'd be open to playing Maryland and he'd likely talk to Willard about it, but Georgetown would only do it if it was right for the program.

[drquigley]

Back in the day, I arrived at GU in 1964, DC was really a southern city. Remember first time I had grits was at Tehan's. The Redskins drew fans from Va and points south and the Senators did also. Both owners were avowed racists and Clark Griffith took the Senators to Minnesota to get away from Chocolate city. Amazing how things change in 60 years.

[reformation]

Hopefully scheduling will take the fans into account as well-.

Most fans would rather see Gtwn vs UVA Duke UNC than pretty much any other programs--STJohns Vill Syr are similar if they are good.

I remember back in the day Jt2 scheduled Indiana (maybe @ 1980) when they were on top--to give some more visibility to the program We need to upgrade the OOC to bring attention and fans back.

Other than the ACC other ideas include Princeton(or whoever other Ivy is good) maybe a couple of Big Ten, e.g., Indiana Mich Oh ST etc

[FromTheBeginning]

Sleepy tore IU up that day!

[nbhoya]

Mar 22, 2023 13:06:52 GMT -5 drquigley said:

Back in the day, I arrived at GU in 1964, DC was really a southern city. Remember first time I had grits was at Tehan's. The Redskins drew fans from Va and points south and the Senators did also. Both owners were avowed racists and Clark Griffith took the Senators to Minnesota to get away from Chocolate city. Amazing how things change in 60 years.

The city still has plenty of southern characteristics I’d argue. It’s not really northeast industrial.

[the_way]

ACC stinks. Media darling conference. Couldn't stand them back in the day, glad to see they are still weak and overrated now.

The Big East was always better. Objectively speaking, of course. Better brand of basketball. More interesting programs.


Basketball-wise, NYC,Philly, DC, Baltimore, etc. identifies more with the Northeast than down south. Basketball is king in those areas. The more south you go,the more football becomes the priority.

[nbhoya]

Mar 22, 2023 19:21:35 GMT -5 the_way said:

ACC stinks. Media darling conference. Couldn't stand them back in the day, glad to see they are still weak and overrated now.

The Big East was always better. Objectively speaking, of course. Better brand of basketball. More interesting programs.


Basketball-wise, NYC,Philly, DC, Baltimore, etc. identifies more with the Northeast than down south. Basketball is king in those areas. The more south you go,the more football becomes the priority.

Eh… I’d say the state of NC would argue about king of basketball, and which sport is more important

[the_way]

Mar 22, 2023 22:51:16 GMT -5 nbhoya said:

Mar 22, 2023 19:21:35 GMT -5 the_way said:

ACC stinks. Media darling conference. Couldn't stand them back in the day, glad to see they are still weak and overrated now.

The Big East was always better. Objectively speaking, of course. Better brand of basketball. More interesting programs.


Basketball-wise, NYC,Philly, DC, Baltimore, etc. identifies more with the Northeast than down south. Basketball is king in those areas. The more south you go,the more football becomes the priority.

Eh… I’d say the state of NC would argue about king of basketball, and which sport is more important

They can argue all they want. There is no comparison.

There is no comparison between NYC, NJ, DC, Northern VA, Baltimore vs NC when it comes to basketball.

Coach K and Roy Williams would recruit in this area for a reason. They weren't getting all homegrown talent.

Part of the reason the Big East was born was because the Northeast region would lose their homegrown talent. Not any longer once the Big East was born. Too much talent.

Rivalry comes from relationships. Basketball wise, there is no connection like that to Carolina schools. We aren't the Terps. They have/had those rivalries. Why? History. Year in and year out they played each other. Historically, Maryland felt left out in the cold because they were a founding member of the ACC but everything was geared toward the Carolina schools. The ACC tournament was held in Carolina. That perceived slight fueled the rivalry.

History and relationships trumps proximity. Had we been in the ACC, it would have been a different story.

[tashoya]

I used to like the Big East - ACC Challenge.