Would board be open to sacking Jack?

[smokeyjack]

He seems like a massive part of our problem. What can we do to hasten his exit?

[nbhoya]

I would support it. He should not have full autonomy over vetoing or setting parameters for the coach candidate. He is clearly set on hiring only a black coach with at least tangential ties to the familia. I don’t know if it’s 80s glory days mindset, DEI goals, or white guilt.

[tjm62]

I tend to think sports decisions should be left to sports professionals, but I also don’t think a coaching search should dictate who’s fit to run the university!

[hoyaguy]

He freely makes decisions when it’s obvious his judgement is compromised costing the university millions of dollars but still insists he gets full power here. If we had a real board I would’ve expected them to dump him by now since he is 20+ years in

[TC]

Mar 11, 2023 12:21:08 GMT -5 tjm62 said:

I tend to think sports decisions should be left to sports professionals, but I also don’t think a coaching search should dictate who’s fit to run the university!

How do you practically enforce the first part of the sentence (let Lee Reed run things) when the guy running the University keeps getting in the way?

[bearsandbulls]

Not a grad but having had two family members play sports and graduate G'town leading to highly successful lives, Georgetown is known as two things: vert good academics just below Ivy level making it very difficult to enter, and its legendary basketball program.

Jack is so protective of the one that he cannot deal with BB objectively. I think he is misguided in decision making in athletics, and has also been on the job many more years than most all college presidents. So, if he cannot see the big picture, he should move on.

He should at least entertain the energy of the passionate hoops fans, as they not only donate to sports, but also academics as a rule on all campuses. Wake up Jack. You screwed it up with your loyalty to the T family, now get us the golden goose.

[the_way]

sacking smokeyjack?

yes.

[smokeyjack]

Mar 11, 2023 12:28:15 GMT -5 the_way said:

sacking smokeyjack?

yes.

How could anyone defend JDG at this point? deleted


Re-read the board rules, especially this part:

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[Elvado]

With extreme prejudice….

[hoyaroc]

Mar 11, 2023 12:18:23 GMT -5 nbhoya said:

I would support it. He should not have full autonomy over vetoing or setting parameters for the coach candidate. He is clearly set on hiring only a black coach with at least tangential ties to the familia. I don’t know if it’s 80s glory days mindset, DEI goals, or white guilt.

What’s wrong with hiring a black coach?

[astrohoya]

Nothing is wrong with hiring a black coach. What is wrong is the idea that we can only hire a black coach (or only hire a coach of any race) without considering people from all races.

[Elvado]

Mar 11, 2023 13:03:07 GMT -5 hoyaroc said:

Mar 11, 2023 12:18:23 GMT -5 nbhoya said:

I would support it. He should not have full autonomy over vetoing or setting parameters for the coach candidate. He is clearly set on hiring only a black coach with at least tangential ties to the familia. I don’t know if it’s 80s glory days mindset, DEI goals, or white guilt.

What’s wrong with hiring a black coach?

Nothing.

Except considering race in hiring decisions is, what’s the word, illegal.

[hoyaroc]

Mar 11, 2023 13:07:21 GMT -5 Elvado said:

Mar 11, 2023 13:03:07 GMT -5 hoyaroc said:

What’s wrong with hiring a black coach?

Nothing.

Except considering race in hiring decisions is, what’s the word, illegal.

Is there proof that Georgetown University is hiring based on race?

[Elvado]

Mar 11, 2023 13:11:21 GMT -5 hoyaroc said:

Mar 11, 2023 13:07:21 GMT -5 Elvado said:

Nothing.

Except considering race in hiring decisions is, what’s the word, illegal.

Is there proof that Georgetown University is hiring based on race?

No of course.

But to limit one’s search by race or some other immutable characteristic would be abhorrent.

[hoyaroc]

Mar 11, 2023 13:15:13 GMT -5 Elvado said:

Mar 11, 2023 13:11:21 GMT -5 hoyaroc said:

Is there proof that Georgetown University is hiring based on race?

No of course.

But to limit one’s search by race or some other immutable characteristic would be abhorrent.

Oh okay case closed. 😂

[hoyaguy]

Mar 11, 2023 13:15:13 GMT -5 Elvado said:

Mar 11, 2023 13:11:21 GMT -5 hoyaroc said:

Is there proof that Georgetown University is hiring based on race?

No of course.

But to limit one’s search by race or some other immutable characteristic would be abhorrent.

Couldn’t prove in court that Beard beat his wife either so no wrong doing there either

[practice]

Mar 11, 2023 13:11:21 GMT -5 hoyaroc said:

Mar 11, 2023 13:07:21 GMT -5 Elvado said:

Nothing.

Except considering race in hiring decisions is, what’s the word, illegal.

Is there proof that Georgetown University is hiring based on race?

I'm all for more African American coaches.  I thought that six years ago, Georgetown should have hired a young black coach ... rolled the dice on someone with an upside.   Looking back, almost anyone would have been a much better hire.  Instead, the search stalled because of JT2's meddling and then JT2 ordered DeGioia to hire Ewing.   Flashforward ... we've had basically 9 terrible seasons in a row.    We have one candidate in Pitino who is -- in my opinion -- so far better than all other candidates.   I see DeGioia disqualifying Pitino because he (JDG) might take a little heat given allegations about Pitino and the color of Pitino's skin.   If Ed Cooley or Shrewsbury or whoever was even in the same universe of accomplishment as Pitino, then I think this would be a no brainer.   But, given where the program is, it's malpractice to disqualify Pitino and to only float -- and likely consider - black candidates.   

It's ironic given the title of Big John's autobiography, but it appears to me that Jack DeGioia lives under the shadow of JT2.  

Of course, I've now jinxed the situation and DeGioia will make the worst possible hire in Mike Brey!  

[hoyaguy]

If Jack doesn’t even offer Pitino then the list coaches he has ignored the existence of at crossroad moments in the program: Hurley, Smart, Gates (who finished his first mizzou reg season ranked), and Pitino

His unwavering confidence is incredible

[Elvado]

Mar 11, 2023 13:26:24 GMT -5 hoyaguy said:

If Jack doesn’t even offer Pitino then the list coaches he has ignored the existence of at crossroad moments in the program: Hurley, Smart, Gates (who finished his first mizzou reg season ranked), and Pitino

His unwavering confidence is incredible

That’s what happens when you never leave the comfy confines of 37th and O.

Jack has never, ever, competed in the real world and operates in a consequence free environment where he can indulge his fetish for all things Thompson and all things woke.

As long as he calls the shots, we are doomed.

[AltoSaxa]

Yes. He has changed Georgetown into his own DEI playground, has abandoned Catholicism and the Jesuit tradition. At last years freshman convocation he celebrated a senior who promoted her entry into this country illegally. This goes beyond basketball which is but one example of his incompetence and self-absorption. 20+ years for one President is criminal.