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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 15, 2023 9:11:28 GMT -5
I am at a loss for what Pat is seeing out there. Murray/Primo/Heath is not a good combo and yet that is part of his starting line-up. Here are Murray/Primo shots in the last 5:
8-32 last night 0-11 from 3
5-22 1-4
11-30 4-7
8-19 2-5
9-32 1-5
That is 25% from 3 and 30% from 2.
You don't need to be an analytical wizard to figure out that is garbage. If you dissected those further, I am sure a gang of them are the longest of long 2's with multiple defenders in your face. That can't be happening in game 27 of the season. Anglin hasn't shot well at all this year but I'll bet if you left him in and gave him the green light, he would give you more then that. Same thing for Riley or Heath. Murray shouldn't even be starting at this point. Send the kid a message. At some point, pull the high school coach move and start a brand new 5. Give me something, anything, for the love of god make it stop.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 15, 2023 18:19:15 GMT -5
57.5% of Primo Spears' shots are two point jumpers. In modern basketball, that is insane.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 15, 2023 18:27:26 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaguy on Feb 15, 2023 19:08:04 GMT -5
Did someone tell Primo that being able to hit long 2s will get him in the NBA?
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 15, 2023 20:00:22 GMT -5
It's just a shooting slump. They'll get over it. Shooters gotta shoot. Or maybe in our case it's whomever has the ball has to shoot, damn the consequences.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 15, 2023 20:05:08 GMT -5
At Duquesne, 46.9% of his shots were two point jump shots. Still high, but he's taken it to an entirely new level this year. And neither team he's been on has had success. The funny thing is that I think Spears has talent, it's just masked significantly be poor decision making. With good coaching, I think Spears could be much more effective. Same with Murray. Of course, they'd have to listen too. After a year of doing whatever they want, I'm not sure how easy that will come to either of them. But, a good coach would give them no choice.
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Post by astrohoya on Feb 15, 2023 22:06:56 GMT -5
A good coach would bench both Spears and Murray until they changed their game to be more efficient.
Ewing is aggressively incompetent, and there is no evidence that he even understands all these contested long twos are an issue. Either that, or he does get it and he does nothing while his players do not listen.
Sadly, every conversation here ends up in the same place. Pat is tragically inept, and nothing matters until he goes.
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Post by kettlehill on Feb 16, 2023 9:28:55 GMT -5
I congratulate you on the best description of our current coach that I have heard: " Ewing is aggressively incompetent...." Says it all.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 16, 2023 9:46:34 GMT -5
The thing is I don't think Patrick was always that way. I am thinking of the Derrickson "Do you practice that shot" clip. He has just phoned it in. He challenged Akinjo after he waived off his end of game play against Marquette I think and Patrick got after him. Not long after, Akinjo was gone.
Maybe Pat thought the hell with it, if I coach them hard they want to leave so I'll just let them do what they want and try to out talent the other team. I am fishing for answers here because it just seems so off these past two years.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 16, 2023 9:49:59 GMT -5
The thing is I don't think Patrick was always that way. I am thinking of the Derrickson "Do you practice that shot" clip. He has just phoned it in. He challenged Akinjo after he waived off his end of game play against Marquette I think and Patrick got after him. Not long after, Akinjo was gone. He even benched Akinjo in that instance (though he didn't a previous time where Akinjo waved Ewing off and we won). He hasn't done anything like that in years.
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Post by Highsmith on Feb 16, 2023 18:40:04 GMT -5
I congratulate you on the best description of our current coach that I have heard: " Ewing is aggressively incompetent...." Says it all. And whatever that doesn't cover....."tragically inept" fills in the blanks! Well done astrohoya!
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 16, 2023 19:17:24 GMT -5
At Duquesne, 46.9% of his shots were two point jump shots. Still high, but he's taken it to an entirely new level this year. And neither team he's been on has had success. The funny thing is that I think Spears has talent, it's just masked significantly be poor decision making. With good coaching, I think Spears could be much more effective. Same with Murray. Of course, they'd have to listen too. After a year of doing whatever they want, I'm not sure how easy that will come to either of them. But, a good coach would give them no choice. I believe it's been 2yrs of doing what he wants from Spears and I feel like BM is okay being on a bad team as long as he gets his minutes. If only we could get UCONN Primo with a few more shots. Most nights the team would be better off with Primo shooting <10 shots.
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 16, 2023 19:22:43 GMT -5
The thing is I don't think Patrick was always that way. I am thinking of the Derrickson "Do you practice that shot" clip. He has just phoned it in. He challenged Akinjo after he waived off his end of game play against Marquette I think and Patrick got after him. Not long after, Akinjo was gone. He even benched Akinjo in that instance (though he didn't a previous time where Akinjo waved Ewing off and we won). He hasn't done anything like that in years. I agree with this because it does appear that Pat has thrown in the towel. The thing is that Primo and even Brandon aren't Akinjo. They aren't as talented and don't have the bball IQ. Akinjo probably waved Pat off because he called a play to get Mac a shot🤷🏾♂️
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 16, 2023 20:35:37 GMT -5
The thing is I don't think Patrick was always that way. I am thinking of the Derrickson "Do you practice that shot" clip. He has just phoned it in. He challenged Akinjo after he waived off his end of game play against Marquette I think and Patrick got after him. Not long after, Akinjo was gone. Maybe Pat thought the hell with it, if I coach them hard they want to leave so I'll just let them do what they want and try to out talent the other team. I am fishing for answers here because it just seems so off these past two years. He’s realized that todays kids won’t listen and are all about me. NIL payments and free transfers has made it worse since kids can dictate to coaches to not hurt their feelings. But this is a problem across the board which is why old school guys like Coach K, Roy Williams and Jay Wright have all High tailed it out of NCAA coaching. With the kids now a days it’s all about their brand and me. And then they further handcuffed Ewing by bringing in Nickleberry to challenge his authority and instructions. So Ewing has just given up in terms of establishing discipline and accountability and being a task master. *you did see it payoff with Pickett who became a complete player, elite big east level defender and rebounder (boxing out) But without being vocal or yelling at people, concepts like boxing out don’t sink in. Took JaMorko 2 seasons to box out but he became a monster. You look at this current team any nobody boxes out which leads to other team getting offensive boards or easy slam dunk put backs. Ewing has even stopped saying Rebound or Move cause these kids don’t listen.
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Post by hoya9797 on Feb 16, 2023 20:49:44 GMT -5
He even benched Akinjo in that instance (though he didn't a previous time where Akinjo waved Ewing off and we won). He hasn't done anything like that in years. Akinjo probably waved Pat off because he called a play to get Mac a shot🤷🏾♂️ He probably waved him off because he knew that whatever nonsense Ewing instructed him to do was likely to fail.
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Post by hoya9797 on Feb 16, 2023 20:53:43 GMT -5
And then they further handcuffed Ewing by bringing in Nickleberry to challenge his authority and instructions. This is an amazing revision of history. Ewing has even stopped saying Rebound or Move cause these kids don’t listen. Once again, it’s the players fault Ewing is a miserable failure, not his fault.
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Post by Highsmith on Feb 17, 2023 6:40:43 GMT -5
Seems strange that it's always only Ewing's kids who don't listen. Shaka's kids seem to listen well....Cooley's kids seem to listen......Matta's kids listened pretty well when they beat us by 30.....even in other conferences, there are multiple examples of kids who listen. If only the person in charge of bringing in players to Georgetown could get guys that would listen to Ewing. Maybe that's the person who needs to go!
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 17, 2023 7:09:22 GMT -5
Seems strange that it's always only Ewing's kids who don't listen. Shaka's kids seem to listen well....Cooley's kids seem to listen......Matta's kids listened pretty well when they beat us by 30.....even in other conferences, there are multiple examples of kids who listen. If only the person in charge of bringing in players to Georgetown could get guys that would listen to Ewing. Maybe that's the person who needs to go! Even worse is that these same kids seem to listen when they go to other places. I believe that Akinjo was a great listener in Arizona and Baylor
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Post by AltoSaxa on Feb 17, 2023 7:30:45 GMT -5
Yes, as defined by the Ewing supporters it’s the players. Perhaps they do not listen because there is nothing of value to listen to.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 17, 2023 10:26:30 GMT -5
He’s realized that todays kids won’t listen to Patrick Ewing and are all about me. Fixed this for you. In all seriousness, every older generation complains that the younger generations are some combination of (a) lazy, (b) selfish, (c) don't listen, (d) not as good as previous generations. Maybe some of it is true (though I am skeptical), but I think in many instances this is just older people complaining bceause they cannot get through to younger people. It's very clear that the kids will not listen to Patrick Ewing, but kids listen to plenty of other coaches. One of my best friends coaches a school program (not a sport, but very competitive) and is excellent at what he does, and the kids listen to him. Of course, they don't always listen, they sometimes give resistance, there is drama, etc. But that is not surprising. When you're dealing with a group of highly competitive teenagers and young people, what else do you expect? That's why it requires a special type of talent to effectively coach basketball, and why parachuting in someone who has never done the job (Ewing) is not a good idea. As to your point about about Ewing shouting "Move!" and "Rebound!" repeatedly, I have actually always viewed this as a great indication that Ewing cannot teach effectively. If you do not instill in your players the concept of movement and rebounding in practice, so much so that they react based on muscle memory/training, then you aren't going to have success by shouting constantly. And after years and years of shouting "Move!" and "Rebound!" I am sure the players don't even hear it anymore and tune it out.
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