HoyaNyr320
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Feb 8, 2023 10:35:16 GMT -5
Providence - 13.5; O/U 147.5 We'll probably cover... and lose. Same familiar story.
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CTHoya08
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Post by CTHoya08 on Feb 8, 2023 10:36:39 GMT -5
Scheyer? Neptune? That wasn’t your bar for first-year Patrick Ewing. You’ve given him a pass for five years and are still defending him in the historic, record-breaking worst season of Hoya basketball. Why not give a 5-year pass to Scheyer and Neptune? Neptune ha destroyed an elite program in six months. We can go back To the archives and where you said that Villanova would not miss a beat with Neptune, that Villanova is a blue blood, that Jay Wright is still helping out, that Chris Arcidiacano is a good point guard, that Neptune is doing a great job and they will make the tourney. All which were not true. You’ve become the biggest Villanova and Kyle Neptune apologist which is weird because over on the Villanova board Villanova fans are calling for Neptunes head and calling this catastrophe a critical moment in Villanova’s program. Nobody over there is defending Neptune and the mess he has made. Hoyaboya and I told you that Neptune was mediocre. You should just pull back on the Villanova support because Kyle Neptune is a losing battle. Villanova is 10-13 (4-8). Seton Hall is 15-9 (8-5). The Hall is clearly having a better season, but I think that 60% into conference play in their first seasons is still a little early to declare Holloway a success and Neptune a failure. Regarding the "stepping stone" point, you named like five programs that are not stepping stones. So it's not 100%. Fair enough. But we're never going to turn ourselves into UNC. I'd rather have a good coach who might be looking to upgrade someday than settle for a bad one because we don't have to worry about him leaving. Finally, to bring it back to your point about looking for a coach that goes on an NCAA run with a smaller program. This isn't a novel concept. It's something that happens every cycle. Big-conference programs chase the "hot" coach that took some mid-major team to the S16. Some of these guys, like the ones you named, are successes. Lots of them are flops. Moreover, I can just as easily name a bunch of top coaches that did not parlay an NCAA run at a small school into a big job, but rather got there by some other means. Billy Donovan. Jay Wright. Tony Bennett. John Beilein. Roy Williams. I'd much rather hire a guy who has shown that he can regularly finish at the top of his conference (i.e., succeeds against schools that likely have similar resources and floors/ceilings) than one who happened to have a single good postseason. (Keep in mind that a "run" in the NCAA tournament still isn't very many games. Going to the S16 requires two wins. That's it. Not exactly the sample size dreams are made of.)
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 8, 2023 10:51:36 GMT -5
Neptune ha destroyed an elite program in six months. We can go back To the archives and where you said that Villanova would not miss a beat with Neptune, that Villanova is a blue blood, that Jay Wright is still helping out, that Chris Arcidiacano is a good point guard, that Neptune is doing a great job and they will make the tourney. All which were not true. You’ve become the biggest Villanova and Kyle Neptune apologist which is weird because over on the Villanova board Villanova fans are calling for Neptunes head and calling this catastrophe a critical moment in Villanova’s program. Nobody over there is defending Neptune and the mess he has made. Hoyaboya and I told you that Neptune was mediocre. You should just pull back on the Villanova support because Kyle Neptune is a losing battle. Villanova is 10-13 (4-8). Seton Hall is 15-9 (8-5). The Hall is clearly having a better season, but I think that 60% into conference play in their first seasons is still a little early to declare Holloway a success and Neptune a failure. Regarding the "stepping stone" point, you named like five programs that are not stepping stones. So it's not 100%. Fair enough. But we're never going to turn ourselves into UNC. I'd rather have a good coach who might be looking to upgrade someday than settle for a bad one because we don't have to worry about him leaving. Finally, to bring it back to your point about looking for a coach that goes on an NCAA run with a smaller program. This isn't a novel concept. It's something that happens every cycle. Big-conference programs chase the "hot" coach that took some mid-major team to the S16. Some of these guys, like the ones you named, are successes. Lots of them are flops. Moreover, I can just as easily name a bunch of top coaches that did not parlay an NCAA run at a small school into a big job, but rather got there by some other means. Billy Donovan. Jay Wright. Tony Bennett. John Beilein. Roy Williams. I'd much rather hire a guy who has shown that he can regularly finish at the top of his conference (i.e., succeeds against schools that likely have similar resources and floors/ceilings) than one who happened to have a single good postseason. (Keep in mind that a "run" in the NCAA tournament still isn't very many games. Going to the S16 requires two wins. That's it. Not exactly the sample size dreams are made of.) I specifically said Elite 8 or more. You aren’t reading what is being discussed.
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TC
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Post by TC on Feb 8, 2023 11:02:28 GMT -5
Neptune ha destroyed an elite program in six months. This is like listening to Georgetown fans in 2015 or 2017 complaining about JT3 and comparing Georgetown to Duke and UNC and Kentucky. Villanova has never been a blueblood program (Kansas, UNC, Duke, Kentucky, UCLA), and having a bad record for one year is not "destroying a program".
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CTHoya08
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Post by CTHoya08 on Feb 8, 2023 11:25:45 GMT -5
If it's a James Jones or someone similar and I give up my season tix after 42 years . . . 😒 The best predictor of Success (though still not a guarantee, see Andy Endield at uSc) for a young, unknown coach is a successful run in the NCAA tournament, Shaheen Holloway, Calipari at UMASS, Pitino at Providence, Bill Self (Tulsa/Illinois), Shaka smart VCU, Brad Stevens Butler, Izzy at MsU. Other than that it’s a crap shoot. Lineage, school etc all out the window. Matt Doherty unc fail. Jon Scheyer crashing at Dook. Mediocre Kyle Neptune flopping at Nova. Coach K has a ton of guys coaching but they are all mediocre. The guy who actually may have the most elite coaches is Bobby Knight who has Coach K and Chris Beard under him. Jury still out on Mike Woodson but iU finally seems to be headed in the right direction. Where are the words “Elite Eight” in this post? And if no mid-major makes the E8 this year, or somebody else scoops up the coach, then what? Keep Ewing? And my point about all of top-tier coaches that did not take the “NCAA run at small school” path to big jobs still stands.
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 8, 2023 11:46:46 GMT -5
Back to the game tonight; I will be there along with another Hoyas classmate. Hoping for an entertaining game, not gonna sweat the existential noise about current and future coaches.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 8, 2023 11:57:00 GMT -5
Back to the game tonight; I will be there along with another Hoyas classmate. Hoping for an entertaining game, not gonna sweat the existential noise about current and future coaches. Nice Dan! Should be a good crowd, PC fans love to hate on the Hoyas.. Silly question but has there been any word on Primo? He was hobbling at the end of the last game..
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 8, 2023 11:58:57 GMT -5
The best predictor of Success (though still not a guarantee, see Andy Endield at uSc) for a young, unknown coach is a successful run in the NCAA tournament, Shaheen Holloway, Calipari at UMASS, Pitino at Providence, Bill Self (Tulsa/Illinois), Shaka smart VCU, Brad Stevens Butler, Izzy at MsU. Other than that it’s a crap shoot. Lineage, school etc all out the window. Matt Doherty unc fail. Jon Scheyer crashing at Dook. Mediocre Kyle Neptune flopping at Nova. Coach K has a ton of guys coaching but they are all mediocre. The guy who actually may have the most elite coaches is Bobby Knight who has Coach K and Chris Beard under him. Jury still out on Mike Woodson but iU finally seems to be headed in the right direction. Where are the words “Elite Eight” in this post? And if no mid-major makes the E8 this year, or somebody else scoops up the coach, then what? Keep Ewing? And my point about all of top-tier coaches that did not take the “NCAA run at small school” path to big jobs still stands. Check mate. “From observation the success rate is high when an unknown, young coach at a small school or mid major goes on a deep run in the tourney (elite 8 or higher) If it’s someone like Kevin Ollie or potentially Hubert Davis who are doing it at a blue blood or elite level program and inherited their guys from the previous legend then there’s still a good chance they are mediocre. So really as a distinguishing factor the success of the unknown coach has to be at a small school or mid major. Those guys will be much more successful than a mediocre coach from a small school who hasn’t made a significant NCAA tournament run. Feel free to search the internet for data”
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hoyajmw
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Post by hoyajmw on Feb 8, 2023 12:00:22 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 8, 2023 12:06:43 GMT -5
This is a trap game for Providence. A win by us would severely damage their NET rankings and NCAA seeding so alot of pressure on them.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 8, 2023 12:13:11 GMT -5
This is a trap game for Providence. A win by us would severely damage their NET rankings and NCAA seeding so alot of pressure on them. I mean, in that sense, every game remaining on the schedule is a trap game for our opponent. If we beat any team in the running for an NCAA at large team it will harm their resume.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 8, 2023 12:16:17 GMT -5
This is a trap game for Providence. A win by us would severely damage their NET rankings and NCAA seeding so alot of pressure on them. I mean, in that sense, every game remaining on the schedule is a trap game for our opponent. If we beat any team in the running for an NCAA at large team it will harm their resume. Just imagine if we upset them. Hoyaboya and I will go to town on Ed Cooley.
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 8, 2023 12:28:54 GMT -5
Back to the game tonight; I will be there along with another Hoyas classmate. Hoping for an entertaining game, not gonna sweat the existential noise about current and future coaches. Nice Dan! Should be a good crowd, PC fans love to hate on the Hoyas.. Silly question but has there been any word on Primo? He was hobbling at the end of the last game.. I have not heard anything about Primo but keep your eyes and ears peeled to Bobby Bancroft and HoyaRon twitter feeds.
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Feb 8, 2023 19:28:01 GMT -5
It's quiet here. Too quiet. . .
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 8, 2023 19:46:19 GMT -5
Primo out for warmups.
Late arriving crowd.
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This Just In
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Post by This Just In on Feb 8, 2023 20:06:11 GMT -5
CBS Sports announcers talking in the pre show how it's a shame to see a proud program like Georgetown from the 80's in such a bad shape
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astrohoya
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Post by astrohoya on Feb 8, 2023 20:08:48 GMT -5
Ewing says “we have been in every game it’s just one of those years.”
Like last year, I guess. The delusion is disgusting.
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This Just In
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Post by This Just In on Feb 8, 2023 20:09:51 GMT -5
I got Georgetown and the 13pts, the team has covered for 5 straight games now.
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 8, 2023 20:11:03 GMT -5
Cooley fist pumping fans and hugging his players right before tipoff - that is awesome.
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 8, 2023 20:15:18 GMT -5
What’s up with Providence’s colors tonight? Kind of cool uniforms but have they ever worn yellow before?
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