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Post by TC on Feb 27, 2023 10:53:57 GMT -5
The first hurdle to me is that when we move on that Nickleberry isn’t announced as taking over. Nickelberry will never coach the Hoyas. Pretty much with Duval here : This 2022-2023 gig was always going to fail ugly and people with common sense like Broadus knew to avoid it. Imagine having to explain this year in an interview.
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Post by hoyaguy on Feb 27, 2023 10:54:51 GMT -5
I suspect what will actually happen is that, instead of a celebration when the clock hits 0, the actual departure will not come right away and we will all feel very angry and anxious until it's actually announced (several days later). Hope I'm wrong, but I feel like it should have happened months ago and our leadership has clearly prioritized the coach's feelings over a sense of urgency. My guess is the clock strikes 0, then they BEGIN negotiating the ending of this, and then 5-7 days later it's announced. The first hurdle to me is that when we move on that Nickleberry isn’t announced as taking over. Once we clear that there are of course many other hurdles (Jones, Brey, etc) but that is the big one. I think the biggest sign that Nick won’t take over is that Ewing has stayed the whole season when he could’ve taken over
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Post by 617hoya on Feb 27, 2023 11:10:05 GMT -5
How will we be celebrating when the clock hits 0? There's no celebration, anymore than you would celebrate when a great corporation announces it's going into bankruptcy. Patrick Ewing is the most visible symbol of a program that has run itself off the road, but he's neither the cause, nor his successor as the cure. It remains to be seen if the University is willing to take on the hard work to tear it down to the studs or simply follow the lead of St. John's and put a new coat of paint on it. That’s only your opinion. I’ll be celebrating Georgetown finally moving away from the HC who should have been gone after last season. I will be celebrating the renewed hope of having a leader of this program who both can develop basketball players and restore this program back to some level of respect and prominence. There is much to celebrate, in my opinion.
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Post by Massholya on Feb 27, 2023 11:12:59 GMT -5
It’s strange to me that the administration thinks the best way to put a bow on this mess is to wait for Ewing to lose in front of 5000 opposing fans (because no one else will be there) on a Wednesday afternoon at MSG. How is that going to be special for anyone?
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Post by hoya9797 on Feb 27, 2023 11:14:59 GMT -5
The first hurdle to me is that when we move on that Nickleberry isn’t announced as taking over. Nickelberry will never coach the Hoyas. Pretty much with Duval here : This 2022-2023 gig was always going to fail ugly and people with common sense like Broadus knew to avoid it. Imagine having to explain this year in an interview. These guys were already struggling to get a job. Nobody with any prospects or sense would agree to work for Pat Ewing at any time and definitely not this season. Taking this job was an act of desperation and a hope for a million to one turn around that could salvage their careers.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 27, 2023 11:17:11 GMT -5
Nickelberry will never coach the Hoyas. Pretty much with Duval here : This 2022-2023 gig was always going to fail ugly and people with common sense like Broadus knew to avoid it. Imagine having to explain this year in an interview. These guys were already struggling to get a job. Nobody with any prospects or sense would agree to work for Pat Ewing at any time and definitely not this season. Taking this job was an act of desperation and a hope for a million to one turn around that could salvage their careers. And to top it off, Duval is a nut job! The guy said Q was in Scotland or some junk like that. Am I mixing up handlers or do I have that right?
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 27, 2023 11:25:07 GMT -5
These guys were already struggling to get a job. Nobody with any prospects or sense would agree to work for Pat Ewing at any time and definitely not this season. Taking this job was an act of desperation and a hope for a million to one turn around that could salvage their careers. And to top it off, Duval is a nut job! The guy said Q was in Scotland or some junk like that. Am I mixing up handlers or do I have that right? When was Q in Scotland
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Feb 27, 2023 11:31:31 GMT -5
And to top it off, Duval is a nut job! The guy said Q was in Scotland or some junk like that. Am I mixing up handlers or do I have that right? When was Q in Scotland I believe that was the Duval rumor when Q didn't dress those two games. Unless Duval is Aminu's handler in which case strike everything I have just said.
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Post by TC on Feb 27, 2023 11:37:33 GMT -5
And to top it off, Duval is a nut job! The guy said Q was in Scotland or some junk like that. Am I mixing up handlers or do I have that right? Best I can tell, there was a rumor from Ron's Rivals site that Q had left the program and quit school. Q was not there for that game, and a whole bunch of fans got big mad and started yelling about how we should never have let him transfer back blah blah blah - just a bunch of absolute nonsense from the same people complaining about his play all year. A tweet then appeared that said he hadn't left school and that you would see him in a Hoyas uniform again soon. Q played the next game. I have no idea whether he was in Scotland or not, there's no tweet on Duval's timeline claiming he was in Scotland so I have no idea why these people are mad at Duval, so unless someone wants to show us some receipts I kind of chalk it up to some BS rumor on Ron's site.
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Post by guru on Feb 27, 2023 14:18:24 GMT -5
There's no celebration, anymore than you would celebrate when a great corporation announces it's going into bankruptcy. Patrick Ewing is the most visible symbol of a program that has run itself off the road, but he's neither the cause, nor his successor as the cure. It remains to be seen if the University is willing to take on the hard work to tear it down to the studs or simply follow the lead of St. John's and put a new coat of paint on it. That’s only your opinion. I’ll be celebrating Georgetown finally moving away from the HC who should have been gone after last season. I will be celebrating the renewed hope of having a leader of this program who both can develop basketball players and restore this program back to some level of respect and prominence. There is much to celebrate, in my opinion. I don't think there's anything to celebrate at all. This entire experience has been depressing. I don't mean to fan-shame, but I honestly think that if you love Georgetown basketball, you should have been rooting for Ewing to succeed, and hung on to that hope for as long as you possibly could. I didn't love the hire when it happened - fearing pretty much the exact scenario that has come to pass (though reality has been far worse than my worst forecast) - but I truly hate the way it's all ending. As necessary as it is to turn the page unequivocally from Coach Patrick Ewing, and from the entire half-century-long Thompson Era of Georgetown basketball, it's also profoundly sad. Especially under these circumstances.
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Post by SDHoya on Feb 27, 2023 14:21:47 GMT -5
It’s strange to me that the administration thinks the best way to put a bow on this mess is to wait for Ewing to lose in front of 5000 opposing fans (because no one else will be there) on a Wednesday afternoon at MSG. How is that going to be special for anyone? Very possible that weeks ago admin gave Ewing the option of stepping away immediately, announcing a farewell tour and letting Ewing play it out, or no announcement and just being fired after the BET--and Ewing chose the third option. To be fair, interim coach Nickelberry was not going to salvage the season either.
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Post by 617hoya on Feb 27, 2023 14:22:25 GMT -5
That’s only your opinion. I’ll be celebrating Georgetown finally moving away from the HC who should have been gone after last season. I will be celebrating the renewed hope of having a leader of this program who both can develop basketball players and restore this program back to some level of respect and prominence. There is much to celebrate, in my opinion. I don't think there's anything to celebrate at all. This entire experience has been depressing. I don't mean to fan-shame, but I honestly think that if you love Georgetown basketball, you should have been rooting for Ewing to succeed, and hung on to that hope for as long as you possibly could. I didn't love the hire when it happened - fearing pretty much the exact scenario that has come to pass (though reality has been far worse than my worst forecast) - but I truly hate the way it's all ending. As necessary as it is to turn the page unequivocally from Coach Patrick Ewing, and from the entire half-century-long Thompson Era of Georgetown basketball, it's also profoundly sad. Especially under these circumstances. I’m not gonna get into this whole gatekeeping over what a fan should and shouldn’t do. There is no one approach to being a fan that everyone must adhere to. I truly rooted for Ewing to succeed for 5 years. Doesn’t mean you have to root for him forever if the results don’t follow.
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Post by guru on Feb 27, 2023 14:25:49 GMT -5
I don't think there's anything to celebrate at all. This entire experience has been depressing. I don't mean to fan-shame, but I honestly think that if you love Georgetown basketball, you should have been rooting for Ewing to succeed, and hung on to that hope for as long as you possibly could. I didn't love the hire when it happened - fearing pretty much the exact scenario that has come to pass (though reality has been far worse than my worst forecast) - but I truly hate the way it's all ending. As necessary as it is to turn the page unequivocally from Coach Patrick Ewing, and from the entire half-century-long Thompson Era of Georgetown basketball, it's also profoundly sad. Especially under these circumstances. I’m not gonna get into this whole gatekeeping over what a fan should and shouldn’t do. There is no one approach to being a fan that everyone must adhere to. I truly rooted for Ewing to succeed for 5 years. Doesn’t mean you have to root for him forever if the results don’t follow. Right. That's not at all what I wrote. But happy to move on.
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Post by 617hoya on Feb 27, 2023 14:28:30 GMT -5
I’m not gonna get into this whole gatekeeping over what a fan should and shouldn’t do. There is no one approach to being a fan that everyone must adhere to. I truly rooted for Ewing to succeed for 5 years. Doesn’t mean you have to root for him forever if the results don’t follow. Right. That's not at all what I wrote. But happy to move on. Cool sounds good!
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Post by Highsmith on Feb 27, 2023 17:31:17 GMT -5
How will we be celebrating when the clock hits 0? There's no celebration, anymore than you would celebrate when a great corporation announces it's going into bankruptcy. Patrick Ewing is the most visible symbol of a program that has run itself off the road, but he's neither the cause, nor his successor as the cure. It remains to be seen if the University is willing to take on the hard work to tear it down to the studs or simply follow the lead of St. John's and put a new coat of paint on it. Totally disagree. Using your corporation analogy, I see it as we are already in bankruptcy. The announcement that is coming has the possibility of turning our bankrupt company over to the equivalent of a financial genius who knows how to turn bankrupt companies into successful money makers. How is that not something to celebrate? Also, while I won't go so far as to say Ewing is the only cause, he is certainly a huge part of what has happened to the program over his tenure. It started before he came and there were certainly others who contributed....some maybe more than we know. So, I agree he is not "the" cause, but he is certainly "a" cause. And the right successor can be the cure. I've been a Ewing fan since his freshman year. He was the reason I became a Hoya fan. I was skeptical of him being hired, but always thought if he could pull it off, it would be the absolute best thing for the program. All that said, and based on what I said above....I will definitely celebrate when he is gone as the coach.....and hopefully again when his successor is named. Otherwise, why be a fan? How can anyone root for a team for which they have no hope? We are in pretty short supply right now, but the one thing we can have hope for is a new start....and if it happens, we all should be able to celebrate it.
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 27, 2023 19:50:20 GMT -5
How will we be celebrating when the clock hits 0? I’ll probably woo a few times then wait for the real announcement when I get properly excited Woo as in Ric Flair?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 27, 2023 21:15:27 GMT -5
How will we be celebrating when the clock hits 0? Patrick Ewing is the most visible symbol of a program that has run itself off the road, but he's neither the cause, nor his successor as the cure. It remains to be seen if the University is willing to take on the hard work to tear it down to the studs or simply follow the lead of St. John's and put a new coat of paint on it. I completely agree that Ewing is not the ONLY cause, but I think said he’s “neither the cause” is letting him off too easily. Ewing was presented with a program that was struggling but was still not all that far off the bubble and that was squarely a top 75 team. In his first few seasons, Ewing declined from that level but wasn’t abysmal. But not good either. Then he won a miracle BET which was fun and made some think we could maybe turn a corner. Except it went totally in the opposite direction and went well lower than I ever thought I would see a Georgetown team go. So is Ewing a significant cause? Yes, absolutely. Others who share blame are John Thompson (for keeping it in the family despite Ewing not really being qualified), DeGioia (for going along with it, not running a real search in 2017, and giving Ewing the negligent extension after the BET) and Ronny (for being utterly incompetent—in other words, being himself). And I’m sure there are others too. But make no mistake. The main reason we are at these depths is Patrick Ewing and his horrible coaching ability, his inability to get guys to go to class and stay at the university, and his poor leadership of young men.
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Post by hsaxon on Feb 27, 2023 21:24:33 GMT -5
It’s strange to me that the administration thinks the best way to put a bow on this mess is to wait for Ewing to lose in front of 5000 opposing fans (because no one else will be there) on a Wednesday afternoon at MSG. How is that going to be special for anyone? Very possible that weeks ago admin gave Ewing the option of stepping away immediately, announcing a farewell tour and letting Ewing play it out, or no announcement and just being fired after the BET--and Ewing chose the third option. To be fair, interim coach Nickelberry was not going to salvage the season either. Yes, very possible indeed. The termination, resignation or mutual agreement should be announced within 48 hours of GU losing in BET. Within 48 hours and preferably within 24 hours.
Get the best possible coach and do it quickly. "Be quick but don't hurry."
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Post by hsaxon on Feb 27, 2023 21:26:56 GMT -5
Patrick Ewing is the most visible symbol of a program that has run itself off the road, but he's neither the cause, nor his successor as the cure. It remains to be seen if the University is willing to take on the hard work to tear it down to the studs or simply follow the lead of St. John's and put a new coat of paint on it. I completely agree that Ewing is not the ONLY cause, but I think said he’s “neither the cause” is letting him off too easily. Ewing was presented with a program that was struggling but was still not all that far off the bubble and that was squarely a top 75 team. In his first few seasons, Ewing declined from that level but wasn’t abysmal. But not good either. Then he won a miracle BET which was fun and made some think we could maybe turn a corner. Except it went totally in the opposite direction and went well lower than I ever thought I would see a Georgetown team go. So is Ewing a significant cause? Yes, absolutely. Others who share blame are John Thompson (for keeping it in the family despite Ewing not really being qualified), DeGioia (for going along with it, not running a real search in 2017, and giving Ewing the negligent extension after the BET) and Ronny (for being utterly incompetent—in other words, being himself). And I’m sure there are others too. But make no mistake. The main reason we are at these depths is Patrick Ewing and his horrible coaching ability, his inability to get guys to go to class and stay at the university, and his poor leadership of young men. The comment about "inability to get guys to go to class" is probably an inaccurate and cheap shot.
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Feb 27, 2023 22:48:50 GMT -5
Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 27, 2023 22:48:50 GMT -5
I completely agree that Ewing is not the ONLY cause, but I think said he’s “neither the cause” is letting him off too easily. Ewing was presented with a program that was struggling but was still not all that far off the bubble and that was squarely a top 75 team. In his first few seasons, Ewing declined from that level but wasn’t abysmal. But not good either. Then he won a miracle BET which was fun and made some think we could maybe turn a corner. Except it went totally in the opposite direction and went well lower than I ever thought I would see a Georgetown team go. So is Ewing a significant cause? Yes, absolutely. Others who share blame are John Thompson (for keeping it in the family despite Ewing not really being qualified), DeGioia (for going along with it, not running a real search in 2017, and giving Ewing the negligent extension after the BET) and Ronny (for being utterly incompetent—in other words, being himself). And I’m sure there are others too. But make no mistake. The main reason we are at these depths is Patrick Ewing and his horrible coaching ability, his inability to get guys to go to class and stay at the university, and his poor leadership of young men. The comment about "inability to get guys to go to class" is probably an inaccurate and cheap shot. The APR ratings say otherwise.
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