1427hoya
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Post by 1427hoya on Jan 17, 2023 15:04:03 GMT -5
We've lost 28 Big East games in a row and you are amazed that people are negative? There are always things you can bring up that were positive in a game.....Primo scored a lot of points, Murray had a huge dunk, Akok blocked some nice shots, Riley showed a lot of energy, etc. That's an awfully low bar. Name a team in the country that doesn't have something positive happen at some point during their games. Everyone does....that doesn't mean the situation of their program is positive. I agree that the negativity sucks....but in our current situation, that's literally all we have. Until Ewing is gone, negativity is going to be the overwhelming feeling around here and pretty much any other place where Hoya hoops is discussed....and for good reason. Not sure how that is "amazing"? What if Ewing is not gone? The negativity should continue until he’s finally gone which may not happen until contract has expired. If Ewing is not gone, it gets worse. Not with negativity, but with just more people checking out completely and not caring, and never coming back. I couldn't blame them. You might not realize this, but the negativity is a good thing. In fact, there's not enough of it because too many people have already checked out. The negativity is good because people care. People shouldn't be happy that Ewing and Ronny are still there. They are failures who are unemployable anywhere else but G-town. They are a joke. If Ewing and Ronny are back next year, I am done for good and I am not alone. Why should I care when the University doesn't care? At that point, they would only care about employing unqualified friends and not winning. They can play in front of 500 people, losing game after game, renting players from the portal who are barely attached to the university, no media left covering them, opposing fans mocking the sorry state of the program - I'm done. But hey, good for you.. you have your guy and it's still in the family. I just keep coming back for now because I think Ewing is done after this year.
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miracles87
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Post by miracles87 on Jan 17, 2023 15:12:07 GMT -5
I know this losing streak is freakin' brutal, but these are Georgetown students who are out there giving their all, and they deserve support and respect for the effort. A lot of people around here seem to think that they are the ones whose feelings and experiences should be highlighted, as if they are the ones going to practice, and being collectively mocked and dismissed by a bunch of lunatics online every day. At the end of the day, we all enjoy watching basketball, I suppose, though it is really hard to tell from many around here, and though it was another loss, the Hoyas played well throughout the game and do seemed poised for a breakthrough. One really has to indulge their hurt e-feelings to suggest yesterday's game was not entertaining As has been mentioned ad nauseum, the criticism of the kids is far less than it used to be. All the negativity is 100% on Ewing, Ronny, and Jack. This isn't a slump. This isn't a losing streak. This is a program that has been driven into the ground through crony behavior - hiring unqualified friends who are unemployable anywhere else. The only thing that can save this program is negative energy by fans who want it to be better (more than the administration itself). The negative energy is what is going to bring about change because the negative energy is what is going to pull the board and JD's head out of the sand and force them to take appropriate actions. It sucks, but its true. It's not just in basketball, it's in politics, society, anything... people get fed up with corruption and eventually act. The "lunatics online" as you put it, are extremely valuable to Gtown basketball because they're a portion of a rapidly declining number of people that still actually care about the Hoyas anymore because of the crony system that has been in place way too long. If you're not really angry at the current situation (not the losing streak - but the deeper way things are run), you are doing detriment to the program. Georgetown basketball is not normal. Can I infer that the players themselves, as they continue to work to get better, are also "doing detriment" to the program? It's funny that folks like yourself think that your unreasoning zealotry is something that would be taken seriously by serious people like Jack DeGioia.
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hoyaroc
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Post by hoyaroc on Jan 17, 2023 15:13:42 GMT -5
I've watched pretty much every game through this streak of futility and I wouldn't call any of them "entertaining". Can't understand how someone can be entertained by watching a team they are supposedly fans of lose 28 league games in a row. To each their own, but expecting someone else to feel the same as you is pretty unrealistic. I know this losing streak is freakin' brutal, but these are Georgetown students who are out there giving their all, and they deserve support and respect for the effort. A lot of people around here seem to think that they are the ones whose feelings and experiences should be highlighted, as if they are the ones going to practice, and being collectively mocked and dismissed by a bunch of lunatics online every day. At the end of the day, we all enjoy watching basketball, I suppose, though it is really hard to tell from many around here, and though it was another loss, the Hoyas played well throughout the game and do seemed poised for a breakthrough. One really has to indulge their hurt e-feelings to suggest yesterday's game was not entertaining Miracles, I totally agree. I get the losing is difficult but support the Gtown student athletes.
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1427hoya
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Post by 1427hoya on Jan 17, 2023 15:32:11 GMT -5
As has been mentioned ad nauseum, the criticism of the kids is far less than it used to be. All the negativity is 100% on Ewing, Ronny, and Jack. This isn't a slump. This isn't a losing streak. This is a program that has been driven into the ground through crony behavior - hiring unqualified friends who are unemployable anywhere else. The only thing that can save this program is negative energy by fans who want it to be better (more than the administration itself). The negative energy is what is going to bring about change because the negative energy is what is going to pull the board and JD's head out of the sand and force them to take appropriate actions. It sucks, but its true. It's not just in basketball, it's in politics, society, anything... people get fed up with corruption and eventually act. The "lunatics online" as you put it, are extremely valuable to Gtown basketball because they're a portion of a rapidly declining number of people that still actually care about the Hoyas anymore because of the crony system that has been in place way too long. If you're not really angry at the current situation (not the losing streak - but the deeper way things are run), you are doing detriment to the program. Georgetown basketball is not normal. Can I infer that the players themselves, as they continue to work to get better, are also "doing detriment" to the program? It's funny that folks like yourself think that your unreasoning zealotry is something that would be taken seriously by serious people like Jack DeGioia. Did you even read where I said the players are not bearing the brunt of all this dysfunction? I feel bad for them. They were told last year was an aberration. But on the flip side, they decided to come to a program that was 0-20 last year. What do you expect? If Pat comes back next year, he'll be lucky to even field a team. You can only trick people so many times. "Unreasoning zealotry" - if by you mean I am upset that a program I cared about since I was a little kid is now 0-28 in the BE over 2 seasons, I am upset. But I am not "unreasoning." 0-28 is a good reason. The program is a joke. If JD thinks Pat and Ronny are doing a great job, then he's not serious. Mr. Serious JD made Ewing one of the highest paid coaches in the game. Great call Jack. In the end, you are what you're record is. You can't run from it, and you can't excuse it. Pat is a failure, both on the court and off the court in the way he can't retain players. That record also defines JD on the issue of basketball. There is not a single reason to say the program is anything other than joke these days. We'd be better off having the program be run by people selected randomly out of a phone book than Pat, Ronny, and Jack. We might even... win a game.
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mfk24
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Post by mfk24 on Jan 17, 2023 15:36:14 GMT -5
I know this losing streak is freakin' brutal, but these are Georgetown students who are out there giving their all, and they deserve support and respect for the effort. A lot of people around here seem to think that they are the ones whose feelings and experiences should be highlighted, as if they are the ones going to practice, and being collectively mocked and dismissed by a bunch of lunatics online every day. At the end of the day, we all enjoy watching basketball, I suppose, though it is really hard to tell from many around here, and though it was another loss, the Hoyas played well throughout the game and do seemed poised for a breakthrough. One really has to indulge their hurt e-feelings to suggest yesterday's game was not entertaining Miracles, I totally agree. I get the losing is difficult but support the Gtown student athletes. I’d reason that for those of us who want not only the coaching, but the culture around the program to change, we are supporting the student athletes. I’d love to see this group of guys coached by a competent staff. Coaches who bring the best out of them, set them up for success. Right now, that’s not happening. No amount of “fan support” is going to turn this around. I love watching basketball, watching the Hoyas lose is not enjoyable for me. Sure it was a close, evenly matched game, and perhaps if the front of the jersey said anything other than Georgetown, I’d have been entertained, but watching and waiting for the inevitable where we find a way to lose ain’t a whole lot of fun.
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 17, 2023 16:37:11 GMT -5
We've lost 28 Big East games in a row and you are amazed that people are negative? There are always things you can bring up that were positive in a game.....Primo scored a lot of points, Murray had a huge dunk, Akok blocked some nice shots, Riley showed a lot of energy, etc. That's an awfully low bar. Name a team in the country that doesn't have something positive happen at some point during their games. Everyone does....that doesn't mean the situation of their program is positive. I agree that the negativity sucks....but in our current situation, that's literally all we have. Until Ewing is gone, negativity is going to be the overwhelming feeling around here and pretty much any other place where Hoya hoops is discussed....and for good reason. Not sure how that is "amazing"? What if Ewing is not gone? The negativity should continue until he’s finally gone which may not happen until contract has expired. Then even those of us who are sticking around and banging the “Ewing must go drum” will give up and Georgetown basketball is finished.
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HoyaNyr320
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Jan 17, 2023 17:05:47 GMT -5
What if Ewing is not gone? The negativity should continue until he’s finally gone which may not happen until contract has expired. Your gaslighting is now unintentionally comical, hoyaroc. On what planet would a University allow any employee to continue his or her employment after such abject failure? At a certain point, it becomes more costly for a University to retain the employee than pay any buyout associated with firing him or her. We've clearly already crossed that threshold, and I'm confident we will have a new coach next year.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 17, 2023 18:22:30 GMT -5
What if Ewing is not gone? The negativity should continue until he’s finally gone which may not happen until contract has expired. Then even those of us who are sticking around and banging the “Ewing must go drum” will give up and Georgetown basketball is finished. It would be extremely difficult for anyone to justify continuing to follow the program on a daily basis if Ewing coaches until his contract extension expires at the end of the 2026 season. I am as dedicated as they come, and I am not sure I could justify spending the time/commitment I do on this program on another year like this one. It would mean the university has zero commitment to winning and is fine embarrassing itself. More so than ever before, Ewing has made this season feel like going through the motions. I really do not want to ever do this again.
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hoyaroc
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Post by hoyaroc on Jan 17, 2023 18:33:57 GMT -5
What if Ewing is not gone? The negativity should continue until he’s finally gone which may not happen until contract has expired. Then even those of us who are sticking around and banging the “Ewing must go drum” will give up and Georgetown basketball is finished. Georgetown basketball is finished? Your comment make no sense whatsoever. Whether Ewing is here or not Georgetown basketball is not finished.
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hoyaroc
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Post by hoyaroc on Jan 17, 2023 18:37:26 GMT -5
What if Ewing is not gone? The negativity should continue until he’s finally gone which may not happen until contract has expired. Your gaslighting is now unintentionally comical, hoyaroc. On what planet would a University allow any employee to continue his or her employment after such abject failure? At a certain point, it becomes more costly for a University to retain the employee than pay any buyout associated with firing him or her. We've clearly already crossed that threshold, and I'm confident we will have a new coach next year. Gaslighting 😂
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 17, 2023 20:09:47 GMT -5
Amazed at how negative Hoya Talk is after a game as close as this one. Sure there were some lousy moments but this team played reasonably well. We owned the boards. We shot pretty well. Primo had some bad turnovers but still kept us in the game near the end. Riley was the star. Mozone added some needed offense. Not all wine and roses. Murray still underperforms. Akok appears to be a talent that is not used properly. Not trying to put an overly positive spin on this game but I did see some good things but those things were not coaching. We've lost 28 Big East games in a row and you are amazed that people are negative? There are always things you can bring up that were positive in a game.....Primo scored a lot of points, Murray had a huge dunk, Akok blocked some nice shots, Riley showed a lot of energy, etc. That's an awfully low bar. Name a team in the country that doesn't have something positive happen at some point during their games. Everyone does....that doesn't mean the situation of their program is positive. I agree that the negativity sucks....but in our current situation, that's literally all we have. Until Ewing is gone, negativity is going to be the overwhelming feeling around here and pretty much any other place where Hoya hoops is discussed....and for good reason. Not sure how that is "amazing"? This thread is about the Nova game and my comments were about that game. There are several other threads about the record and its coaching where you can make your views known.
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beenaround
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Post by beenaround on Jan 18, 2023 0:11:22 GMT -5
I think the problem is it’s extremely difficult for us diehards to take even a scintilla of pleasure from a few good plays in a particular game, especially in yet another loss. Normally, with even a mediocre team, this would be possible. This program is historically bad, and there is still the worry that Ewing will be allowed yet another season to wipe out any minuscule fan base that might be left.
So yes, it’s a shame we can’t appreciate a “ relatively “ good performance by the guys ag Nova. But it’s hardly amazing that we can’t.
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Highsmith
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Post by Highsmith on Jan 18, 2023 16:58:48 GMT -5
We've lost 28 Big East games in a row and you are amazed that people are negative? There are always things you can bring up that were positive in a game.....Primo scored a lot of points, Murray had a huge dunk, Akok blocked some nice shots, Riley showed a lot of energy, etc. That's an awfully low bar. Name a team in the country that doesn't have something positive happen at some point during their games. Everyone does....that doesn't mean the situation of their program is positive. I agree that the negativity sucks....but in our current situation, that's literally all we have. Until Ewing is gone, negativity is going to be the overwhelming feeling around here and pretty much any other place where Hoya hoops is discussed....and for good reason. Not sure how that is "amazing"? What if Ewing is not gone? The negativity should continue until he’s finally gone which may not happen until contract has expired. If Ewing is not gone after this season.....I don't think there will be anyone around here to be negative.
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 18, 2023 17:03:22 GMT -5
It's so hard to take because teams do to us what we used to do to teams, especially during Patrick's era. Sometimes, I just can't believe what I'm seeing...
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Highsmith
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Post by Highsmith on Jan 18, 2023 17:14:45 GMT -5
I know this losing streak is freakin' brutal, but these are Georgetown students who are out there giving their all, and they deserve support and respect for the effort. A lot of people around here seem to think that they are the ones whose feelings and experiences should be highlighted, as if they are the ones going to practice, and being collectively mocked and dismissed by a bunch of lunatics online every day. At the end of the day, we all enjoy watching basketball, I suppose, though it is really hard to tell from many around here, and though it was another loss, the Hoyas played well throughout the game and do seemed poised for a breakthrough. One really has to indulge their hurt e-feelings to suggest yesterday's game was not entertaining Miracles, I totally agree. I get the losing is difficult but support the Gtown student athletes. That's all well and good for those of you who are Georgetown alums who eat, sleep and breathe all things Georgetown. I am not an alum. The only thing that has ever mattered to me about this particular university is the basketball team and how I used to love watching them play. The reason I loved watching them play wasn't because I wanted to root on college athletes from Georgetown. The Georgetown Hoyas became my team....but it wasn't because they were from a college I had a connection to. It was because of how they played and how they WON. There used to be a ton of fans like me.....people who loved Georgetown basketball but never set foot on the campus or knew anyone who did. I think I am one of the last of a dying breed....most fans like me have stepped away because without a team that plays a good brand of basketball and wins, there is nothing else keeping us here. I have always been a loyal fan to the teams I chose when I was young. In fact, Georgetown used to be the team I felt most strongly about because I live in an area where Syracuse is "the team". I am hoping that feeling can come back, but there is a lot of work to do. So....good for you that you get enjoyment from "just watching Georgetown student athletes play", but unless you have a connection to the school itself, that's a pretty tough sell.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 18, 2023 18:27:29 GMT -5
Miracles, I totally agree. I get the losing is difficult but support the Gtown student athletes. That's all well and good for those of you who are Georgetown alums who eat, sleep and breathe all things Georgetown. I am not an alum. The only thing that has ever mattered to me about this particular university is the basketball team and how I used to love watching them play. The reason I loved watching them play wasn't because I wanted to root on college athletes from Georgetown. The Georgetown Hoyas became my team....but it wasn't because they were from a college I had a connection to. It was because of how they played and how they WON. There used to be a ton of fans like me.....people who loved Georgetown basketball but never set foot on the campus or knew anyone who did. I think I am one of the last of a dying breed....most fans like me have stepped away because without a team that plays a good brand of basketball and wins, there is nothing else keeping us here. I have always been a loyal fan to the teams I chose when I was young. In fact, Georgetown used to be the team I felt most strongly about because I live in an area where Syracuse is "the team". I am hoping that feeling can come back, but there is a lot of work to do. So....good for you that you get enjoyment from "just watching Georgetown student athletes play", but unless you have a connection to the school itself, that's a pretty tough sell. I got news for ya. Those of us that are alumni are probably even more fed up than you. The two cheerleaders don’t in any way shape or form speak for the rest of us.
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Highsmith
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Post by Highsmith on Jan 18, 2023 18:48:51 GMT -5
That's all well and good for those of you who are Georgetown alums who eat, sleep and breathe all things Georgetown. I am not an alum. The only thing that has ever mattered to me about this particular university is the basketball team and how I used to love watching them play. The reason I loved watching them play wasn't because I wanted to root on college athletes from Georgetown. The Georgetown Hoyas became my team....but it wasn't because they were from a college I had a connection to. It was because of how they played and how they WON. There used to be a ton of fans like me.....people who loved Georgetown basketball but never set foot on the campus or knew anyone who did. I think I am one of the last of a dying breed....most fans like me have stepped away because without a team that plays a good brand of basketball and wins, there is nothing else keeping us here. I have always been a loyal fan to the teams I chose when I was young. In fact, Georgetown used to be the team I felt most strongly about because I live in an area where Syracuse is "the team". I am hoping that feeling can come back, but there is a lot of work to do. So....good for you that you get enjoyment from "just watching Georgetown student athletes play", but unless you have a connection to the school itself, that's a pretty tough sell. I got news for ya. Those of us that are alumni are probably even more fed up than you. The two cheerleaders don’t in any way shape or form speak for the rest of us. No surprise there. Truthfully, unless someone is flat out just being a troll, I can't imagine anyone who claims to be a fan of any team being positive about anything under these circumstances.
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