Highsmith
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Post by Highsmith on Jan 17, 2023 6:49:15 GMT -5
Amazed at how negative Hoya Talk is after a game as close as this one. Sure there were some lousy moments but this team played reasonably well. We owned the boards. We shot pretty well. Primo had some bad turnovers but still kept us in the game near the end. Riley was the star. Mozone added some needed offense. Not all wine and roses. Murray still underperforms. Akok appears to be a talent that is not used properly. Not trying to put an overly positive spin on this game but I did see some good things but those things were not coaching. We've lost 28 Big East games in a row and you are amazed that people are negative? There are always things you can bring up that were positive in a game.....Primo scored a lot of points, Murray had a huge dunk, Akok blocked some nice shots, Riley showed a lot of energy, etc. That's an awfully low bar. Name a team in the country that doesn't have something positive happen at some point during their games. Everyone does....that doesn't mean the situation of their program is positive. I agree that the negativity sucks....but in our current situation, that's literally all we have. Until Ewing is gone, negativity is going to be the overwhelming feeling around here and pretty much any other place where Hoya hoops is discussed....and for good reason. Not sure how that is "amazing"?
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hoyajinx
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Post by hoyajinx on Jan 17, 2023 7:01:41 GMT -5
Amazed at how negative Hoya Talk is after a game as close as this one. Sure there were some lousy moments but this team played reasonably well. We owned the boards. We shot pretty well. Primo had some bad turnovers but still kept us in the game near the end. Riley was the star. Mozone added some needed offense. Not all wine and roses. Murray still underperforms. Akok appears to be a talent that is not used properly. Not trying to put an overly positive spin on this game but I did see some good things but those things were not coaching. We've lost 28 Big East games in a row and you are amazed that people are negative? There are always things you can bring up that were positive in a game.....Primo scored a lot of points, Murray had a huge dunk, Akok blocked some nice shots, Riley showed a lot of energy, etc. That's an awfully low bar. Name a team in the country that doesn't have something positive happen at some point during their games. Everyone does....that doesn't mean the situation of their program is positive. I agree that the negativity sucks....but in our current situation, that's literally all we have. Until Ewing is gone, negativity is going to be the overwhelming feeling around here and pretty much any other place where Hoya hoops is discussed....and for good reason. Not sure how that is "amazing"? Pretty soon, the few remaining optimists will applaud Ewing for having all the guys show up to the game on time and that their jerseys are tucked in and facing the right direction, cause that’s really all that’s left at this point.
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TC
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Post by TC on Jan 17, 2023 7:33:00 GMT -5
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Jan 17, 2023 8:00:05 GMT -5
“… and I think it’s going to come” sounds a lot like the promised “[w]ith the way that things happened last year, it can never happen again on my watch."
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Post by Elvado on Jan 17, 2023 8:23:51 GMT -5
“… and I think it’s going to come” sounds a lot like the promised “[w]ith the way that things happened last year, it can never happen again on my watch." And they say Ewing cannot make adjustments. Here he has moved from throwing his players under the bus to praising them…. Master tactician.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 17, 2023 9:58:48 GMT -5
At this point he has no option but to be positive. It's gotta be rough in that locker room. Him delegating to Crouch is another improvement. I'm not saying it's the right one, but at least it shows some semblance of asking for help. It's about five years too late however. We are going to beat either St. John's or Depaul. We have to. I can't imagine how those kids must feel right now repeating what was deemed unrepeatable.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 17, 2023 10:07:18 GMT -5
At this point he has no option but to be positive. It's gotta be rough in that locker room. Him delegating to Crouch is another improvement. I'm not saying it's the right one, but at least it shows some semblance of asking for help. It's about five years too late however. We are going to beat either St. John's or Depaul. We have to. I can't imagine how those kids must feel right now repeating what was deemed unrepeatable. Did anyone else catch the TV crew talking about a GU locker room incident after the Butler game?
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Post by kghoya on Jan 17, 2023 10:23:58 GMT -5
At this point he has no option but to be positive. It's gotta be rough in that locker room. Him delegating to Crouch is another improvement. I'm not saying it's the right one, but at least it shows some semblance of asking for help. It's about five years too late however. We are going to beat either St. John's or Depaul. We have to. I can't imagine how those kids must feel right now repeating what was deemed unrepeatable. Did anyone else catch the TV crew talking about a GU locker room incident after the Butler game? Seemed like they were just given a message board post to read on national TV.
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Post by calhoya on Jan 17, 2023 10:32:05 GMT -5
At this point he has no option but to be positive. It's gotta be rough in that locker room. Him delegating to Crouch is another improvement. I'm not saying it's the right one, but at least it shows some semblance of asking for help. It's about five years too late however. We are going to beat either St. John's or Depaul. We have to. I can't imagine how those kids must feel right now repeating what was deemed unrepeatable. Did anyone else catch the TV crew talking about a GU locker room incident after the Butler game? What incident?
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 17, 2023 11:00:01 GMT -5
Did anyone else catch the TV crew talking about a GU locker room incident after the Butler game? What incident? I didn’t hear what was said on the TV but I have heard that there may have been an altercation between a player and coach after the game.
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Post by thedragon on Jan 17, 2023 11:42:30 GMT -5
Incident. Altercation. Disagreement. After the Butler game an assistant coach and a starter "got into it" postgame. Kind of par for the course on a winless conference team who is 5-14 overall. No discipline was handed out. Interesting though that it finally came out on a throw away line from Brando mid telecast.
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TC
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Post by TC on Jan 17, 2023 11:48:34 GMT -5
No discipline was handed out. On brand for Ewing.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 17, 2023 12:05:02 GMT -5
This is pretty good footage. Watching live, I had focused on Crouch taking the lead during this timeout before the last play. However, it's worth noting what Nickelberry and Baldwin are doing. Looks to me like those guys are completely checked out, have to think guys like them are more worried about their next job than trying to save this sinking ship.
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Post by miracles87 on Jan 17, 2023 12:19:52 GMT -5
Y'all must be regretting the decision not to attend. Very entertaining game I've watched pretty much every game through this streak of futility and I wouldn't call any of them "entertaining". Can't understand how someone can be entertained by watching a team they are supposedly fans of lose 28 league games in a row. To each their own, but expecting someone else to feel the same as you is pretty unrealistic. I know this losing streak is freakin' brutal, but these are Georgetown students who are out there giving their all, and they deserve support and respect for the effort. A lot of people around here seem to think that they are the ones whose feelings and experiences should be highlighted, as if they are the ones going to practice, and being collectively mocked and dismissed by a bunch of lunatics online every day. At the end of the day, we all enjoy watching basketball, I suppose, though it is really hard to tell from many around here, and though it was another loss, the Hoyas played well throughout the game and do seemed poised for a breakthrough. One really has to indulge their hurt e-feelings to suggest yesterday's game was not entertaining
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Post by 1427hoya on Jan 17, 2023 12:22:49 GMT -5
This is pretty good footage. Watching live, I had focused on Crouch taking the lead during this timeout before the last play. However, it's worth noting what Nickelberry and Baldwin are doing. Looks to me like those guys are completely checked out, have to think guys like them are more worried about their next job than trying to save this sinking ship. Probably not a bad call on their part
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 17, 2023 12:35:49 GMT -5
This was a winnable game that we lost because we cannot get anything together. I firmly believe that a well-coached Georgetown team yesterday would have beat Villanova more often than not. This is not a good Villanova team. After seeing them play twice, I am not in the camp of people who have a lot of questions about Neptune's coaching abilities. Many times throughout the game, it almost felt like Villanova was mimicking us--no ball movement on offense, sloppy, slow movement on defense. Villanova absolutely killed us on threes in the first half, then for unknown reasons just stopped taking many of them? For these reasons, I think Villanova is a good matchup for us, but we just couldn't get it done.
To highlight just how hard it is for us to win games, we shot 60.5% overall (very good, obviously), Villanova shot 48.4%. And we lost by 4 points anyway. You should not lose games where you shoot over 60%, and yet we did because our defense is absolutely atrocious, and managed to give up 1.15 points per possession to Villanova anyway. Turnovers and fouls killed us. Primo Spears turned it over 7 times.
I do think our guys played with intensity, and as much as I want Ewing to go and have nothing to cling to defend himself, I did want our guys to get a win. This has to be so brutal for them, I feel bad for them.
Did we play better? Not really--maybe a little bit at the margins. Our defense was still terrible (1.15 points per possession is better than some other games, but still really bad and easily worst in the conference). The offense featured a LOT of hero ball, so much so that Donnie Marshall and Brando were calling it out. Now, we got lucky in that Primo hit a lot of his bad shots yesterday (including some long twos), but that's just not sustainable from game to game, and Primo's seven turnovers were killer. We really don't run any semblance of an organized offense (or defense), and it really showed yesterday especially at the end with the disastrous possession that Crouch drew up.
I really think the DePaul game is going to be the deciding factor on whether we go winless. It's hard to see us beating anyone else. I do think if we played Villanova in the BET, there's a chance we could beat them. I really think they're a good matchup for us.
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Post by 1427hoya on Jan 17, 2023 12:39:03 GMT -5
I've watched pretty much every game through this streak of futility and I wouldn't call any of them "entertaining". Can't understand how someone can be entertained by watching a team they are supposedly fans of lose 28 league games in a row. To each their own, but expecting someone else to feel the same as you is pretty unrealistic. I know this losing streak is freakin' brutal, but these are Georgetown students who are out there giving their all, and they deserve support and respect for the effort. A lot of people around here seem to think that they are the ones whose feelings and experiences should be highlighted, as if they are the ones going to practice, and being collectively mocked and dismissed by a bunch of lunatics online every day. At the end of the day, we all enjoy watching basketball, I suppose, though it is really hard to tell from many around here, and though it was another loss, the Hoyas played well throughout the game and do seemed poised for a breakthrough. One really has to indulge their hurt e-feelings to suggest yesterday's game was not entertaining As has been mentioned ad nauseum, the criticism of the kids is far less than it used to be. All the negativity is 100% on Ewing, Ronny, and Jack. This isn't a slump. This isn't a losing streak. This is a program that has been driven into the ground through crony behavior - hiring unqualified friends who are unemployable anywhere else. The only thing that can save this program is negative energy by fans who want it to be better (more than the administration itself). The negative energy is what is going to bring about change because the negative energy is what is going to pull the board and JD's head out of the sand and force them to take appropriate actions. It sucks, but its true. It's not just in basketball, it's in politics, society, anything... people get fed up with corruption and eventually act. The "lunatics online" as you put it, are extremely valuable to Gtown basketball because they're a portion of a rapidly declining number of people that still actually care about the Hoyas anymore because of the crony system that has been in place way too long. If you're not really angry at the current situation (not the losing streak - but the deeper way things are run), you are doing detriment to the program. Georgetown basketball is not normal.
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Post by Massholya on Jan 17, 2023 12:59:04 GMT -5
This is pretty good footage. Watching live, I had focused on Crouch taking the lead during this timeout before the last play. However, it's worth noting what Nickelberry and Baldwin are doing. Looks to me like those guys are completely checked out, have to think guys like them are more worried about their next job than trying to save this sinking ship. It was such an odd scene. I have never seen a similar play drawn up that I can recall in alll my years of watching basketball. Everyone stacked nearly on the opposite sideline from the inbounds ball with one guy running behind and some attempts at picks. Murray received the ball with seven seconds and launches a fade away with a guy in his face. Certainly not a good look and more than enough time to pump to try to pick up the foul, take a dribble or pass for another better look. The players appeared totally unprepared to consider a second option or to have successfully run the play that was called as Murray really wasn’t open. Needless to say when you give up authority to an assistant coach and that is what you get - it looks really bad. Sad thing was that the prior time down the floor when we had the ball down one I said to my buddy and my wife - watch we will turn it over and give up a dunk going the other way. Exactly what happened. The last 2 possessions were a complete comedy of errors.
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Post by 95hoya on Jan 17, 2023 14:44:31 GMT -5
Ewing has no leadership skills. How can anyone say we played well in a game we lost to a bad team? Close game doesn’t equate to playing well.
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Post by hoyaroc on Jan 17, 2023 14:55:39 GMT -5
Amazed at how negative Hoya Talk is after a game as close as this one. Sure there were some lousy moments but this team played reasonably well. We owned the boards. We shot pretty well. Primo had some bad turnovers but still kept us in the game near the end. Riley was the star. Mozone added some needed offense. Not all wine and roses. Murray still underperforms. Akok appears to be a talent that is not used properly. Not trying to put an overly positive spin on this game but I did see some good things but those things were not coaching. We've lost 28 Big East games in a row and you are amazed that people are negative? There are always things you can bring up that were positive in a game.....Primo scored a lot of points, Murray had a huge dunk, Akok blocked some nice shots, Riley showed a lot of energy, etc. That's an awfully low bar. Name a team in the country that doesn't have something positive happen at some point during their games. Everyone does....that doesn't mean the situation of their program is positive. I agree that the negativity sucks....but in our current situation, that's literally all we have. Until Ewing is gone, negativity is going to be the overwhelming feeling around here and pretty much any other place where Hoya hoops is discussed....and for good reason. Not sure how that is "amazing"? What if Ewing is not gone? The negativity should continue until he’s finally gone which may not happen until contract has expired.
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