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Post by EasyEd on Dec 10, 2022 15:52:06 GMT -5
Been a very disappointing OOC and much disappointment in some of the players as well as in the coaching. Before the start of the season I believe most would have predicted Murray would be our MVP. Putting the disappointments aside, which player, despite faults, has been our OOC MVP ?
My nominee is Primo Spears. Who is yours?
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 10, 2022 15:55:44 GMT -5
Akok Akok - only guy that consistenly plays hard, is by far the best defensive player and seems to be team-first.
Spears has good numbers but is not a winning type of player, at least the way he is allowed to play under Ewing.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 10, 2022 15:56:35 GMT -5
Agree with hoyaboya. Akok Akok. A name worth repeating!
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Post by calhoya on Dec 10, 2022 16:03:13 GMT -5
Really like Akok as team first player, but his value to the team is limited by his seeming inability to contribute on offense other than an occasional 3. Also think Spears is very talented but he is often too shot focused and also prone to careless TOs. Still MVP would have to be one of them.
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Post by bluegray79 on Dec 10, 2022 16:19:52 GMT -5
Akok gets it. He does a dozen little things a game to keep us in it. Runs the court better than anyone. Best guardian of the perimeter. His presence changes what the other team does. Blocked shots and shot alterations. Remember what they said when he came -- that he is a legit 3-point shooter as well as all the things you see and want from a PF. He was dynamic at UConn (when healthy). He took more 3 PTers early on and very few the last 5-6 games. Why? Who knows? Probably the same reason why we take so few 3-pointers as a team -- we don't practice plays and rotations that find guys for open 3's enough. Akok has a great attitude, steady focus, constant impact on the game. He's done everything and more since coming here -- and he has stayed healthy playing lots of minutes.
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 10, 2022 16:21:57 GMT -5
Really like Akok as team first player, but his value to the team is limited by his seeming inability to contribute on offense other than an occasional 3. Also think Spears is very talented but he is often too shot focused and also prone to careless TOs. Still MVP would have to be one of them. If we had a team full of Akoks we would be much better than if we had a team full of Primos. You can tell Akok has been coached well and tries to do the right thing. When you are the only winning type player on the court it looks like you are too passive. Primo just tries to fill the stat sheet.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 10, 2022 16:22:19 GMT -5
The 2022-23 team is closer to 2021-22 than we would all alike to admit.
Brandon Murray (12.3 ppg) is Aminu Mohammed (14.6 non-conference) without the defense. Primo Spears (17.1 ppg) is Dante Harris (13.1) before the 39 mpg will eventually wear him out, too. Jay Heath (14.5 ppg) is Donald Carey (12.8) with a slightly better three point touch. Bryson Mozone (6.1 ppg) is a more conservative version of Kaiden Rice (14.5) Wayne Bristol (2.9 ppg) is a smaller Jalin Billingsley (1.9) Jordan Riley (3.7 ppg in seven games) is Jordan Riley (3.2 in nine games before injury) Qudus Wahab (10.2 ppg) is Qudus Wahab after 11 games at Maryland (10.1) Kevin Nickelberry is Robert Kirby. Patrick Ewing is Patrick Ewing.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 10, 2022 18:27:19 GMT -5
Really like Akok as team first player, but his value to the team is limited by his seeming inability to contribute on offense other than an occasional 3. Also think Spears is very talented but he is often too shot focused and also prone to careless TOs. Still MVP would have to be one of them. If we had a team full of Akoks we would be much better than if we had a team full of Primos. You can tell Akok has been coached well and tries to do the right thing. When you are the only winning type player on the court it looks like you are too passive. Primo just tries to fill the stat sheet. Akok Akok got two years of coaching from Dan Hurley, who now has the 1 team on KenPom, and who Georgetown didn’t bother to interview in 2017.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 11, 2022 9:57:31 GMT -5
Akok gets it. He does a dozen little things a game to keep us in it. Runs the court better than anyone. Best guardian of the perimeter. His presence changes what the other team does. Blocked shots and shot alterations. Remember what they said when he came -- that he is a legit 3-point shooter as well as all the things you see and want from a PF. He was dynamic at UConn (when healthy). He took more 3 PTers early on and very few the last 5-6 games. Why? Who knows? Probably the same reason why we take so few 3-pointers as a team -- we don't practice plays and rotations that find guys for open 3's enough. Akok has a great attitude, steady focus, constant impact on the game. He's done everything and more since coming here -- and he has stayed healthy playing lots of minutes. IMO Akok may not be shooting more 3s for the same reason Yurt didn’t: he was told by the staff to be close to the basket to rebound because there was no one else to do it.
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Post by Highsmith on Dec 11, 2022 10:38:49 GMT -5
Akok is the only answer to this question....if there is an answer. Without Akok, I would say our record would be much worse than if we were without any other player. He does more to help the defense than anyone. His rebounding is crucial to the team. He has the ability (although not so much recently) to hit 3's. Time management by Ewing is going to kill him as the season goes on, though.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 11, 2022 13:57:03 GMT -5
Spears is a bit of a ball hog, but he gets the ball in the hoop. I thought Murray would be a bit more polished and effective. Akok is solid and Heath has his moments. Q is Q.
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Post by rhw485 on Dec 12, 2022 9:48:34 GMT -5
Akok is the only answer to this question....if there is an answer. Without Akok, I would say our record would be much worse than if we were without any other player. He does more to help the defense than anyone. His rebounding is crucial to the team. He has the ability (although not so much recently) to hit 3's. Time management by Ewing is going to kill him as the season goes on, though. I agree the answer is Akok, but I also think the minutes log is already taking its toll. I'm not a full on slave to analytics...but I bet it would surprise most of the board to see that Akok has been our least valuable offensive player this season per T-Rank. His 3pt shooting is down to 30%, he's turning the ball over a ton relative to his scoring, and he's not crushing the offensive glass because he's been spaced on the perimeter for a lot of the game. That sums up to a 96.5 O-Rating on laughably low 12.5% usage (normally it's easier to put up a high O-Rating on low usage as you're not being forced to create your own offense). Of course the Box Score plus minus and Net numbers that factor in defense are much kinder and still have him as a net value add to the team, but I'm not sure what's there on the offensive end. I see comments about running plays for Akok and I'm not really sure what that means? He has not scored on a post move yet. He has not scored on a drive to the basket. He's making catch and shoot 3s generated by others and then getting the occasional putback around the hoop. And that's perfectly fine with his defensive value. The scarier thought is to imagine what our defense, currently ranked 270th on T Rank, would look like without Akok. That alone gets my vote but its a very low bar for valuable player on this squad.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 12, 2022 10:24:16 GMT -5
None of the above.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 12, 2022 10:32:36 GMT -5
Agree. You can't really have an MVP of an utterly terrible OOC. I'll give an LVP. That would go to Murray. For all of the classic hoyatalk Kenner hype (one and done, NBA player, yada-yada-yada), this kid has shown me very little. His effort is lackluster, his conditioning looks poor, his shot is meh, and his D which was hyped has proven to be underwhelming. I hope he can turn a corner because I think they pretty much staked their entire turn around efforts on him being the marquee guy and he just isn't it, at least not yet. It would be a great story as a DMVer for him to find his way and lead this team but if your leader dogs it on defense and doesn't hustle, that isn't a recipe for success.
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Post by kghoya on Dec 12, 2022 10:41:16 GMT -5
OOC MVP is anyone that watched the entirety of all 11 games. Give yourself a pat on the back for a job done.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Dec 12, 2022 10:42:09 GMT -5
Agree. You can't really have an MVP of an utterly terrible OOC. I'll give an LVP. That would go to Murray. For all of the classic hoyatalk Kenner hype (one and done, NBA player, yada-yada-yada), this kid has shown me very little. His effort is lackluster, his conditioning looks poor, his shot is meh, and his D which was hyped has proven to be underwhelming. I hope he can turn a corner because I think they pretty much staked their entire turn around efforts on him being the marquee guy and he just isn't it, at least not yet. It would be a great story as a DMVer for him to find his way and lead this team but if your leader dogs it on defense and doesn't hustle, that isn't a recipe for success.Agree with this and it highlights one of the bigger issues---team doesn't seem to have a leader.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 12, 2022 10:49:39 GMT -5
OOC MVP is anyone that watched the entirety of all 11 games. Give yourself a pat on the back for a job done. Not all of them live, but all of them. Pat, Ronny and Jack have taught me that it is better to record games and watch them in just under 1 hour whenever it’s convenient, than watch 2hr 15 mins of a miserable downward spiral in the middle of family time. Thanks again to the Three Stooges of Georgetown basketball.
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Post by kghoya on Dec 12, 2022 10:50:49 GMT -5
OOC MVP is anyone that watched the entirety of all 11 games. Give yourself a pat on the back for a job done. Not all of them live, but all of them. Pat, Ronny and Jack have taught me that it is better to record games and watch them in just under 1 hour whenever it’s convenient, than watch 2hr 15 mins of a miserable downward spiral in the middle of family time. Thanks again to the Three Stooges of Georgetown basketball. That counts.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 12, 2022 12:08:10 GMT -5
OOC MVP is anyone that watched the entirety of all 11 games. Give yourself a pat on the back for a job done. Not all of them live, but all of them. Pat, Ronny and Jack have taught me that it is better to record games and watch them in just under 1 hour whenever it’s convenient, than watch 2hr 15 mins of a miserable downward spiral in the middle of family time. Thanks again to the Three Stooges of Georgetown basketball. I am doing the same, but I have watched all of the games so far to the bitter end of each one. Because of work I really could never watch the mid-week games live, but when we played big games or meaningful matchups, I still went out of my way to try to make them live. When we are horrible, and playing games against 300-level opponents, the draw to watch them live, sit through commercials, etc. simply isn't there when I have a lot of other obligations in my life that are not Georgetown basketball. As frustrated as I am with the program, I will still watch every minute, even if on DVR.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 12, 2022 12:46:54 GMT -5
Not all of them live, but all of them. Pat, Ronny and Jack have taught me that it is better to record games and watch them in just under 1 hour whenever it’s convenient, than watch 2hr 15 mins of a miserable downward spiral in the middle of family time. Thanks again to the Three Stooges of Georgetown basketball. I am doing the same, but I have watched all of the games so far to the bitter end of each one. Because of work I really could never watch the mid-week games live, but when we played big games or meaningful matchups, I still went out of my way to try to make them live. When we are horrible, and playing games against 300-level opponents, the draw to watch them live, sit through commercials, etc. simply isn't there when I have a lot of other obligations in my life that are not Georgetown basketball. As frustrated as I am with the program, I will still watch every minute, even if on DVR. Don’t get me wrong. I have watched every minute, but DVRing the game has allowed me to watch every second of the game, without the halftime commentary, in under 1 hr. I watch usually when everyone’s asleep. No longer do I yell at the tv. It’s a tragicomedy. This Friday’s game will be during family movie night. The DVR is programmed.
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