Massholya
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Post by Massholya on Dec 2, 2022 17:23:03 GMT -5
Watching a game that you have a rooting interest in is like watching overtime hockey for 2 hours. Panic and joy all rolled into one. As a Philadelphia Union fan, I say this this from recent personal experience. Exhilaration can turn very quickly to disappointment. There are no “kneel downs” in soccer. Playing it is even more fun.
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 2, 2022 20:23:20 GMT -5
I respect you all, and yes we do have a great soccer program, so there's that. One of my cluster mates from back in the day was the captain of the soccer team. Nevertheless, I can assure you that I will not be arising at 7 AM tomorrow to watch our match. I hope we win, but I will say too that I visited Amsterdam for the first time (well, actually the second, but the first time was for a half day due solely to missing a stopover flight home from Israel, and all I had time to do was visit the Anne Frank House) in the last pre-COVID summer, and I didn't want to leave. What a great city. And the Van Gogh Museum is absolutely not to be missed. Incredible.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 2, 2022 21:35:03 GMT -5
I have no interest in soccer, and don't intend to watch any of it, as I find it to be a big bore (yeah, let's hear it for those great nothing to zero games). I also see that the Los Angeles Football Club won the American championship this year in the North American league, or whatever they are calling it these days. I guess that's a big deal for some, but didn't move the needle for me at all. That said, I am following this in passing, and hope the US team (I guess it's called a "side"?) does well, but it seems like they have a lot of injuries, including one to the player who scored their goal against Iran. It seems like a major lift to beat the Dutch, but since they were good enough to hold the English side to a tie, who knows? It’s really not that much difference them football though scroing wise. Football just multiples every goal by x6, x7. Football just gives you the illusion of high scoring by using this multiplier. Would it somehow be better for you if each goal was worth 10 points?
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 2, 2022 21:46:28 GMT -5
I respect you all, and yes we do have a great soccer program, so there's that. One of my cluster mates from back in the day was the captain of the soccer team. Nevertheless, I can assure you that I will not be arising at 7 AM tomorrow to watch our match. I hope we win, but I will say too that I visited Amsterdam for the first time (well, actually the second, but the first time was for a half day due solely to missing a stopover flight home from Israel, and all I had time to do was visit the Anne Frank House) in the last pre-COVID summer, and I didn't want to leave. What a great city. And the Van Gogh Museum is absolutely not to be missed. Incredible. I think for the older American generation it’s too late to like “soccer” But if you look at the younger generation a lot of high school and elementary kids are wearing premier league, la Liga Spanish league and national league jerseys. The reason for the popularity with the the younger generation is a more diverse US population and the accessibility of the top leagues (premier league, la Liga) via cable (nbc/nbscsn) and low cost streaming (peacock) so that kids can follow the top leagues and every week. 15-20 years from now a 64 team college March madness May become more popular than college basketball and football. As great a game as American football is, the combination of head injuries and wear and tear on the body and rules changes (that will eventually make it flag football or two hand touch) will unfortunately doom that sport.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 2, 2022 21:58:39 GMT -5
Great win today for the US. They still lack the it necessary to get the ball in the back of the net but they did what was needed. Huge order ahead on Saturday but if the mids keep playing like they have and the ball rolls our way…who knows. I’m just so glad to have this distraction from Hoya basketball. Maybe this will be the thing that makes the next LeBron play soccer and not basketball. Until the majority of American sports fans can get over the duuurrr we’ll just put LeBron in soccer mentality, we will never be great at soccer. LeBron gets full body cramps playing basketball, no way could he play 90 plus minutes of soccer. It also shows the lack of understanding of the skill factor in the game and the fact that in many ways it favors the shorter player. Soccer is probably the only sport where 5-4 to 5-9 guys like Messi, Rooney, Pele, Maradona can be the absolute best in the game) All of our American sports, height, length, strength are the dominant factors in success. Soccer isn’t like that, it’s all based on skill factory, heart and training. Pace, speed, agility, quickness , stamina are more important than height, size, length, hgh muscle mass. If they are actually are successful in taking away heading (for concussion reasons) then height will take even a more tremendous fall as height is required for Defenders and target man Strikers for the heading aspect of the game. Although even at this World Cup teams have been going away from big tall target man strikers to shorter false 9s.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 2, 2022 23:03:00 GMT -5
But if you look at the younger generation a lot of high school and elementary kids are wearing premier league, la Liga Spanish league and national league jerseys. The reason for the popularity with the the younger generation is a more diverse US population and the accessibility of the top leagues (premier league, la Liga) via cable (nbc/nbscsn) and low cost streaming (peacock) so that kids can follow the top leagues and every week. Soccer is like the metric system--difficult to sell as a matter of national identity. And, to be fair, the best athletes in the US high school ranks aren't being drawn to soccer. Soccer is not a country club sport, but it's far from diverse in the high school and college ranks. People were told that soccer is the "next big thing" in 1975 when the NASL was at its peak, and it didn't happen. It may be fine for college kids to buy EPL gear but as long as they're also filling the Georgia Dome for the SEC championship, the TV networks will treat MLS soccer as the summer version of the NHL--a devoted but limited fan following.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 2, 2022 23:17:03 GMT -5
But if you look at the younger generation a lot of high school and elementary kids are wearing premier league, la Liga Spanish league and national league jerseys. The reason for the popularity with the the younger generation is a more diverse US population and the accessibility of the top leagues (premier league, la Liga) via cable (nbc/nbscsn) and low cost streaming (peacock) so that kids can follow the top leagues and every week. Soccer is like the metric system--difficult to sell as a matter of national identity. And, to be fair, the best athletes in the US high school ranks aren't being drawn to soccer. Soccer is not a country club sport, but it's far from diverse in the high school and college ranks. People were told that soccer is the "next big thing" in 1975 when the NASL was at its peak, and it didn't happen. It may be fine for college kids to buy EPL gear but as long as they're also filling the Georgia Dome for the SEC championship, the TV networks will treat MLS soccer as the summer version of the NHL--a devoted but limited fan following. The problem with soccer in the US is the best athlete Lebron mentality. This leads us to ignoring our biggest talent pool for soccer which is our Latino population. The next Messi or Tevez, Pelé or Maradona is likely going to come from a small short poor Latino kid from the barrio or ghetto who is working on his game day and night. But right now our system discards those kids because we are so infatuated with the best athlete LeBron fantasy. The way us soccer is currently set up you have to basically make the travel teams to get better competition and coaching. But that means you need rich parents who can afford to travel and pay all rise costs. There are a couple scholarships but what really needs to be done is to give all the poor Latino kids a fair chance at the best coaching and competition. Only through that increased talent pool will we find the next Maradona. A kid with hunger, desire and toughness. Right now there are a lot of Latino prodigies at a young age but when they can’t afford the travel teams and aren’t good enough to get a scholarship then they get disillusioned and there training and desire fall off on top of not getting the elite travel soccer coaching and competition. What we really need is a German model where everyone can advance up the soccer ladder regardless of their parents economic ability to fund elite level travel/coaching.
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Post by hoyaguy on Dec 3, 2022 2:08:20 GMT -5
Great win today for the US. They still lack the it necessary to get the ball in the back of the net but they did what was needed. Huge order ahead on Saturday but if the mids keep playing like they have and the ball rolls our way…who knows. I’m just so glad to have this distraction from Hoya basketball. Maybe this will be the thing that makes the next LeBron play soccer and not basketball. Until the majority of American sports fans can get over the duuurrr we’ll just put LeBron in soccer mentality, we will never be great at soccer. LeBron gets full body cramps playing basketball, no way could he play 90 plus minutes of soccer. It also shows the lack of understanding of the skill factor in the game and the fact that in many ways it favors the shorter player. Soccer is probably the only sport where 5-4 to 5-9 guys like Messi, Rooney, Pele, Maradona can be the absolute best in the game) All of our American sports, height, length, strength are the dominant factors in success. Soccer isn’t like that, it’s all based on skill factory, heart and training. Pace, speed, agility, quickness , stamina are more important than height, size, length, hgh muscle mass. If they are actually are successful in taking away heading (for concussion reasons) then height will take even a more tremendous fall as height is required for Defenders and target man Strikers for the heading aspect of the game. Although even at this World Cup teams have been going away from big tall target man strikers to shorter false 9s. And that is also a great draw for soccer is that we take any size, shape because of how wide the profile of players that are needed for a great team. Anyone can be the best and it is such a low barrier for entry to just play among friends or just kicking something around in the backyard. Hopefully heading isn't taken away as that is a massive facet of the game but yeah other than goalies there aren't even height requirements like Cannavaro (one of the best center backs ever was 5' 8" for Italy's WC in 2006)
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Post by hoyaguy on Dec 3, 2022 2:55:05 GMT -5
Soccer is like the metric system--difficult to sell as a matter of national identity. And, to be fair, the best athletes in the US high school ranks aren't being drawn to soccer. Soccer is not a country club sport, but it's far from diverse in the high school and college ranks. People were told that soccer is the "next big thing" in 1975 when the NASL was at its peak, and it didn't happen. It may be fine for college kids to buy EPL gear but as long as they're also filling the Georgia Dome for the SEC championship, the TV networks will treat MLS soccer as the summer version of the NHL--a devoted but limited fan following. The problem with soccer in the US is the best athlete Lebron mentality. This leads us to ignoring our biggest talent pool for soccer which is our Latino population. The next Messi or Tevez, Pelé or Maradona is likely going to come from a small short poor Latino kid from the barrio or ghetto who is working on his game day and night. But right now our system discards those kids because we are so infatuated with the best athlete LeBron fantasy. The way us soccer is currently set up you have to basically make the travel teams to get better competition and coaching. But that means you need rich parents who can afford to travel and pay all rise costs. There are a couple scholarships but what really needs to be done is to give all the poor Latino kids a fair chance at the best coaching and competition. Only through that increased talent pool will we find the next Maradona. A kid with hunger, desire and toughness. Right now there are a lot of Latino prodigies at a young age but when they can’t afford the travel teams and aren’t good enough to get a scholarship then they get disillusioned and there training and desire fall off on top of not getting the elite travel soccer coaching and competition. What we really need is a German model where everyone can advance up the soccer ladder regardless of their parents economic ability to fund elite level travel/coaching. The money issue is massive and MLS teams just don't have the same motivation as clubs in other countries to have extensive academies that have scouts in every corner of the country the club is in. Part of why they don't is: yeah soccer isn't the most popular, but also the lack of promotion/relegation does not inspire fear in the clubs to get left behind when other clubs can raise great talent instead of just buying it. Those major academies across the pond and in South America, they make soccer their life (many recruited as early as 6 yrs old) with some private tutoring/classrooms (often at or near the training grounds) to finish legal requirements of education and maybe their version of GED to keep college as a backup option, but they live and breathe it, with many never even thinking of university. Another problem is college and the issue of colleges being so numerous in the US and the average American getting it pressed into their skull since birth that college is absolutely essential. Yes, pros have emerged from soccer programs, but by the time a player is in his/her early twenties, any major clubs anywhere have long since moved on and being a competitive player against a top 10 national team in a WC is very very unlikely (shoutout to Turner though, but goalies are quite a different animal). I am not saying for people to not go to school, but gotta push them so hard until the last second of having to decide. Until then, we will always be the underdog in the quarterfinals and most of the time in the round of 16 unless a weird result happens. How to fix at least some of it?: Gotta make sure the MLS and US Soccer Federation are completely separated (they have had a marketing contract that ran out this year that was made due to some corruption) as their interests work against each other in some ways. All the MLS wants is to promote the league, but they don't have the best players we can field, which is part of why people hate Berhalter, as he is the brother of a MLS executive (formerly US soccer executive who used nepotism to get him as the coach in the first place after we missed WC 2018), and he kept playing MLS players when there were better options multiple times throughout this year leading to nervousness around team selection. If the MLS wants exposure via international soccer, then they gotta find solutions to the issues above and produce better talent, or invest more in transfers. They can cooperate, but sharing executives and marketing deals creates potential for issues. Next point, promotion and relegation will not be implemented in the MLS which is sadly something that I will stop discussing because there is too much money at stake for owners. So there has to be an incentive for producing academy players that they have had before a certain age, like 15 for example. Not mandatory, but some kind of incentive that maybe boosts their cap space (idk if something like this is in place, but if you don't have p/r then you need to motivate finding more American talent and not push it too hard by being hostile to foreign players) This is less important and not a definitive action, but ask more D1 Universities to give full scholarships for soccer because at the least you motivate more people and players to take the sport seriously and produce more soccer playing future parents Force MLS academies to take more kids in via scouting/open tryouts and give more full expenses covered spots (perhaps somewhat need-based) that have education infrastructure of some kind to make soccer their full time job from the second they join even if they are under 12 because if you want to ever come close this is what it takes Raise the salary cap of the MLS more each year, I actually like the salary cap and the designated expensive player slots that don't affect their cap (perhaps give 1 or 2 more to make it 5 total). The English league is continuously plagued by not having any serious financial rules or power to punish teams that have a more expensive bench than entire other teams Also I cannot stress this enough, DON'T merge with the Mexican league ever, like never ever. It would simply not be a good move for the league, especially right now when it was somewhat of a miracle for Seattle to win the North American Champions league (first MLS club ever) against a Mexican team so many MLS clubs could get stomped. If we get on the right path, then I can see a post-2026 WC explosion of the MLS winning the champions league repeatedly on this continent instead of Mexico dominating it and we could expand the international rivalry down to the club level by having many regular contenders for the champions league. Promote and rebrand the US Open Cup (if you don't know what that is, I don't blame you, I did not for a long time either), it is the US Soccer version of the FA cup in England which to put it simply is basically march madness but it is over a couple of months, you just pay a fee to get in, and any team from any league/division (USL, MLS, etc) can participate, which is cool. However, they do not promote it enough and it goes on in the background unless you are a more hardcore fan. It needs to be pushed more to the forefront of attention and perhaps, if necessary, given its own slot of a few weeks to play out and build hype that any team can win some silverware. And another thing that is obvious but just wishful thinking is to stomp out any corruption, nepotism and immediately excommunicate anyone who is caught as they are just poison. Therefore, be willing to hire people and experts from other countries into the administration to at least aid and give advice on how to keep moving forward I may add more later but those are just random thoughts of how set up US soccer for success in the future
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 4, 2022 4:51:11 GMT -5
I have no interest in soccer, and don't intend to watch any of it, as I find it to be a big bore (yeah, let's hear it for those great nothing to zero games). I also see that the Los Angeles Football Club won the American championship this year in the North American league, or whatever they are calling it these days. I guess that's a big deal for some, but didn't move the needle for me at all. That said, I am following this in passing, and hope the US team (I guess it's called a "side"?) does well, but it seems like they have a lot of injuries, including one to the player who scored their goal against Iran. It seems like a major lift to beat the Dutch, but since they were good enough to hold the English side to a tie, who knows? It’s really not that much difference them football though scroing wise. Football just multiples every goal by x6, x7. Football just gives you the illusion of high scoring by using this multiplier. Would it somehow be better for you if each goal was worth 10 points? Come see me again when a bunch of football games go into overtime as a result of scoreless ties.
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Post by Elvado on Dec 4, 2022 5:15:13 GMT -5
With the US eliminated, I can return to rooting for Leo Messi to put the capper on his fabulous career.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Dec 4, 2022 16:31:23 GMT -5
With the US eliminated, I can return to rooting for Leo Messi to put the capper on his fabulous career. Didn't Messi practice with the Hoyas a few years ago? I am rooting for Messi AND Harry Kane and England.
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Post by Elvado on Dec 4, 2022 16:45:51 GMT -5
With the US eliminated, I can return to rooting for Leo Messi to put the capper on his fabulous career. Didn't Messi practice with the Hoyas a few years ago? I am rooting for Messi AND Harry Kane and England. He did during Copa America when Argentina trained on Shaw. We too are rooting for our distant English cousin. That said, I want Leo to win.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 4, 2022 23:00:54 GMT -5
Soccer is like the metric system--difficult to sell as a matter of national identity. And, to be fair, the best athletes in the US high school ranks aren't being drawn to soccer. Soccer is not a country club sport, but it's far from diverse in the high school and college ranks. People were told that soccer is the "next big thing" in 1975 when the NASL was at its peak, and it didn't happen. It may be fine for college kids to buy EPL gear but as long as they're also filling the Georgia Dome for the SEC championship, the TV networks will treat MLS soccer as the summer version of the NHL--a devoted but limited fan following. The problem with soccer in the US is the best athlete Lebron mentality. This leads us to ignoring our biggest talent pool for soccer which is our Latino population. The next Messi or Tevez, Pelé or Maradona is likely going to come from a small short poor Latino kid from the barrio or ghetto who is working on his game day and night. But right now our system discards those kids because we are so infatuated with the best athlete LeBron fantasy. The way us soccer is currently set up you have to basically make the travel teams to get better competition and coaching. But that means you need rich parents who can afford to travel and pay all rise costs. There are a couple scholarships but what really needs to be done is to give all the poor Latino kids a fair chance at the best coaching and competition. Only through that increased talent pool will we find the next Maradona. A kid with hunger, desire and toughness. Right now there are a lot of Latino prodigies at a young age but when they can’t afford the travel teams and aren’t good enough to get a scholarship then they get disillusioned and there training and desire fall off on top of not getting the elite travel soccer coaching and competition. What we really need is a German model where everyone can advance up the soccer ladder regardless of their parents economic ability to fund elite level travel/coaching. You may be correct on the larger scale. But, I can say, having worked in public schools with large influxes of Latino and Hispanic populations that there are also a lot of kids that are getting college scholarships as a direct result of their success on the soccer field for schools that, historically, weren't soccer powerhouses. Of course being on a travel team can only help. But, winning league championships and making state finals is also a realistic path. Is it more difficult? Yes. By a lot. But, I have been seeing it happen for over a decade and it's pretty darn great.
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 5, 2022 18:13:50 GMT -5
Didn't Messi practice with the Hoyas a few years ago? I am rooting for Messi AND Harry Kane and England. He did during Copa America when Argentina trained on Shaw. We too are rooting for our distant English cousin. That said, I want Leo to win. I am probably remembering this incorrectly, which would be par for the course, but didn't Harry Kane once do something for your Harry while he was undergoing his cancer treatments?
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Post by Elvado on Dec 5, 2022 19:00:43 GMT -5
He did during Copa America when Argentina trained on Shaw. We too are rooting for our distant English cousin. That said, I want Leo to win. I am probably remembering this incorrectly, which would be par for the course, but didn't Harry Kane once do something for your Harry while he was undergoing his cancer treatments? He and his manager Pochettino sent very nice notes and autographed photos. My Harry has several variations of the Kane Jersey, both Tottenham and England.
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Post by Filo on Dec 7, 2022 22:09:52 GMT -5
The problem with soccer in the US is the best athlete Lebron mentality. This leads us to ignoring our biggest talent pool for soccer which is our Latino population. The next Messi or Tevez, Pelé or Maradona is likely going to come from a small short poor Latino kid from the barrio or ghetto who is working on his game day and night. But right now our system discards those kids because we are so infatuated with the best athlete LeBron fantasy. The way us soccer is currently set up you have to basically make the travel teams to get better competition and coaching. But that means you need rich parents who can afford to travel and pay all rise costs. There are a couple scholarships but what really needs to be done is to give all the poor Latino kids a fair chance at the best coaching and competition. Only through that increased talent pool will we find the next Maradona. A kid with hunger, desire and toughness. Right now there are a lot of Latino prodigies at a young age but when they can’t afford the travel teams and aren’t good enough to get a scholarship then they get disillusioned and there training and desire fall off on top of not getting the elite travel soccer coaching and competition. What we really need is a German model where everyone can advance up the soccer ladder regardless of their parents economic ability to fund elite level travel/coaching. The money issue is massive and MLS teams just don't have the same motivation as clubs in other countries to have extensive academies that have scouts in every corner of the country the club is in. Part of why they don't is: yeah soccer isn't the most popular, but also the lack of promotion/relegation does not inspire fear in the clubs to get left behind when other clubs can raise great talent instead of just buying it. Those major academies across the pond and in South America, they make soccer their life (many recruited as early as 6 yrs old) with some private tutoring/classrooms (often at or near the training grounds) to finish legal requirements of education and maybe their version of GED to keep college as a backup option, but they live and breathe it, with many never even thinking of university. Another problem is college and the issue of colleges being so numerous in the US and the average American getting it pressed into their skull since birth that college is absolutely essential. Yes, pros have emerged from soccer programs, but by the time a player is in his/her early twenties, any major clubs anywhere have long since moved on and being a competitive player against a top 10 national team in a WC is very very unlikely (shoutout to Turner though, but goalies are quite a different animal). I am not saying for people to not go to school, but gotta push them so hard until the last second of having to decide. Until then, we will always be the underdog in the quarterfinals and most of the time in the round of 16 unless a weird result happens. How to fix at least some of it?: Gotta make sure the MLS and US Soccer Federation are completely separated (they have had a marketing contract that ran out this year that was made due to some corruption) as their interests work against each other in some ways. All the MLS wants is to promote the league, but they don't have the best players we can field, which is part of why people hate Berhalter, as he is the brother of a MLS executive (formerly US soccer executive who used nepotism to get him as the coach in the first place after we missed WC 2018), and he kept playing MLS players when there were better options multiple times throughout this year leading to nervousness around team selection. If the MLS wants exposure via international soccer, then they gotta find solutions to the issues above and produce better talent, or invest more in transfers. They can cooperate, but sharing executives and marketing deals creates potential for issues. Next point, promotion and relegation will not be implemented in the MLS which is sadly something that I will stop discussing because there is too much money at stake for owners. So there has to be an incentive for producing academy players that they have had before a certain age, like 15 for example. Not mandatory, but some kind of incentive that maybe boosts their cap space (idk if something like this is in place, but if you don't have p/r then you need to motivate finding more American talent and not push it too hard by being hostile to foreign players) This is less important and not a definitive action, but ask more D1 Universities to give full scholarships for soccer because at the least you motivate more people and players to take the sport seriously and produce more soccer playing future parents Force MLS academies to take more kids in via scouting/open tryouts and give more full expenses covered spots (perhaps somewhat need-based) that have education infrastructure of some kind to make soccer their full time job from the second they join even if they are under 12 because if you want to ever come close this is what it takes Raise the salary cap of the MLS more each year, I actually like the salary cap and the designated expensive player slots that don't affect their cap (perhaps give 1 or 2 more to make it 5 total). The English league is continuously plagued by not having any serious financial rules or power to punish teams that have a more expensive bench than entire other teams Also I cannot stress this enough, DON'T merge with the Mexican league ever, like never ever. It would simply not be a good move for the league, especially right now when it was somewhat of a miracle for Seattle to win the North American Champions league (first MLS club ever) against a Mexican team so many MLS clubs could get stomped. If we get on the right path, then I can see a post-2026 WC explosion of the MLS winning the champions league repeatedly on this continent instead of Mexico dominating it and we could expand the international rivalry down to the club level by having many regular contenders for the champions league. Promote and rebrand the US Open Cup (if you don't know what that is, I don't blame you, I did not for a long time either), it is the US Soccer version of the FA cup in England which to put it simply is basically march madness but it is over a couple of months, you just pay a fee to get in, and any team from any league/division (USL, MLS, etc) can participate, which is cool. However, they do not promote it enough and it goes on in the background unless you are a more hardcore fan. It needs to be pushed more to the forefront of attention and perhaps, if necessary, given its own slot of a few weeks to play out and build hype that any team can win some silverware. And another thing that is obvious but just wishful thinking is to stomp out any corruption, nepotism and immediately excommunicate anyone who is caught as they are just poison. Therefore, be willing to hire people and experts from other countries into the administration to at least aid and give advice on how to keep moving forward I may add more later but those are just random thoughts of how set up US soccer for success in the future Just got back to this thread. Some great points. As for the first paragraph, though, we are seeing a trend away from college and towards the clubs for the really elite players. It is already going on in high school where many top players are forced to forego playing for their high school if they are playing for a top club. Brenden Aronson is an example with the Union (and his younger brother, who is apparently better than he is).
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